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Ffyllotek wrote:
This may be a silly question... Will new codec contain units from IA12? And if standard CAD is no more, how will IA12 work with the non red harvest units (tessleract arc, sentinel etc).

No, Forgeworld units are Forgeworld. I don't think I've ever seen a FW unit added to a regular 40k codex.

The standard CAD is still there, you just have the choice of the Decurion.

With any luck, most of the formations are selectable as normal formations and you can therefore use some of them in a Forge World heavy list.

Requizen wrote:

Ffyllotek wrote:
This may be a silly question... Will new codec contain units from IA12? And if standard CAD is no more, how will IA12 work with the non red harvest units (tessleract arc, sentinel etc).

No, Forgeworld units are Forgeworld. I don't think I've ever seen a FW unit added to a regular 40k codex.

It's been a while,, but the Tyranid Trygon was the biggest one I remember. Imperial Guard Hydras also had a FW kit that GW redesigned for 40k.

GW hasn't brought in FW stuff to 40k since 5th (excluding Apoc). And when they did it (eventually) got new plastic models.

Oh, that was before my time I suppose.

I think if we were going to see it now, though, they'd be in the Decurion list. Unless they're keeping it a super secret for the codex, but seeing as there haven't even been slight rumors I'm not counting on it.

The Decurion is hard to read on my display. Is it an option or do I have to follow Decurion rules?

Option, of course. 40k nowadays is "play your way". You can do normal CAD out of book OR Mephrit Dynasty from SoB:Leviathan OR Decurion.

 Skerr wrote:
The Decurion is hard to read on my display. Is it an option or do I have to follow Decurion rules?

Looks like a super formation made of formations.

Yeah, it's unlike that they will say you can't use a CAD. It will most likely follow the format from the previous books.

Bit odd though how they are going for this Formation within a Formation detachment instead of an army-specific FOC like the other books though. It's certainly unique, but still.

That one dynasty they mention will probably have it's own FOC. Mephrit already gives the Necrons a unique FOC.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, it's unlike that they will say you can't use a CAD. It will most likely follow the format from the previous books.

Bit odd though how they are going for this Formation within a Formation detachment instead of an army-specific FOC like the other books though. It's certainly unique, but still.

I'm almost willing to bet there will still be an FOC, but they're also putting formations in, as well as a super formation made of other formations.

I was really looking forward to Necrons to start playing 40k again, but I think like all the other releases in the past year it will be shelved once I realize how much it would actually cost me to get started playing again...

 Skerr wrote:
Maybe Illuminor will get better abilities to buff troops making them more effective in cc.

I hope they retool Szeras (spelling?) such cool model and decent but missing something. Though with mulitple detachemnts he is not taking up valuable HQ slots so maybe he will be cool.

Always wanted to field Orikan also for fun. I think I might buy two Orikan's and the new lord and kitbash a buffed Orikan for when the "stars are right". If they ever are right lol.

I don't think Illuminor Szeras was big enough. Should have been much more spider-like IMO and bigger to represent he's actually bat gak crazy

The confusing part is actually the one model "formations" on the Decursion list.

Star God is just one C'tan variant as a choice.

Living Tomb has an Obelisk mandatory, but doesn't need you to take the optional Monoliths.

And both "Deathmarks" and "Flayed Ones" are just a unit of those things. Do they get a bonus like other formations, or is it just that you can take Deathmarks along with your Decursion and stay bound?

One unit formations usually have specific restrictions (upgrades, ect).

WayneTheGame wrote:
I was really looking forward to Necrons to start playing 40k again, but I think like all the other releases in the past year it will be shelved once I realize how much it would actually cost me to get started playing again...

Well, how much do you already have? These formations are really just for people who have an established collection.
Or for those with over-burdened wallets.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
I was really looking forward to Necrons to start playing 40k again, but I think like all the other releases in the past year it will be shelved once I realize how much it would actually cost me to get started playing again...

Well, how much do you already have? These formations are really just for people who have an established collection.
Or for those with over-burdened wallets.

Or, ya know, just feth it and drop your Forgeworld + whatever unbound on the table and roll some dice.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Requizen wrote:

Ffyllotek wrote:
This may be a silly question... Will new codec contain units from IA12? And if standard CAD is no more, how will IA12 work with the non red harvest units (tessleract arc, sentinel etc).

No, Forgeworld units are Forgeworld. I don't think I've ever seen a FW unit added to a regular 40k codex.

It's been a while,, but the Tyranid Trygon was the biggest one I remember. Imperial Guard Hydras also had a FW kit that GW redesigned for 40k.

Do believe the Tau Piranha was also a Forgeworld unit before finding its way into the Codex

ShadarLogoth wrote:

Gunther wrote:
This seems inflexible and geared for large games as each of the groups is 300+ points except for flayed ones or deathmarks.
I suppose the FOC will remain better suited for small games say 1500 or less.

It is interesting that the core group includes tomb blades, lychguard and monoliths but not wraiths, scarabs, ABs.
Looks like the codex plays entirely different than today or we are seeing the on-set of the nerf beating.

Why would anyone need/want to take 3 monoliths under any circumstances? Necronium Lance?

You have to remember, as long as you can bring dedicated transports as normal you can bring a significant portion of most people's base Necron list with the Reclamation Legion. The only thing it's really lacking is the Wraiths and the ABs. As long as DAs *if you want ABs) and Monos have been buffed a little, and TBs a bit too, probably, that should even out. Also depends what extra goodies each formation brings.

I'm excited though. I love new tools to work with. Also looking forward to seeing what these 6 C'tan powers bring. If it's something like Halicnation, but with 6 options instead of 3, it should be pretty balling.

I don't see anything that says I can't take multiple AB detachments, I just have to pay the Doomsday Ark tax. Who knows, maybe doomsday arks will get a buff.

Hmm, one little thing: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10933901_596519103781261_7621902590451278871_n.jpg?oh=6286d2537875fd5d83159239964a3a95&oe=556289C3&__gda__=1432070943_4ef9750b390ad3279fac334a3630e662

Do they mean "elite" as in 'elite warrior' or as in 'this unit takes up an elite-slot'?
Because that would mean Immortals became an Elite Choice for us.

changemod wrote:
What balance is there to not being allowed to field your Doom Scythe until you buy a second one? Or to needing to field a very large Destroyer Cult if at all? Or it being 100% mandatory to have a tomb blade unit at all times or you can't field a Decurion Army?

The balance? These are Formations.
Every Formation would be 'better' if you had a 0-X limit.
But if you had that for Formations, why bother with regular Detachments? Why would I pick several units if I could also pick those units with BONUS rules?

Hell, the only decent Formations for my Blood Angels are around 800-1000 points at a minimum.
So I think a minimum of two Doom Scythes just to gain some additional rules is something we should be happy with.

I've taken a look at the Decurion-chart and I am quite happy with it.
I'm already looking at lists I liked to play and analyze the small changes I could make to turn it into a Decurion, which would give me a lot of bonus rules.
The only thing that upsets me is the horror of 31-01-2015. It's the day where I am crying behind my catalogue editor from Battlescribe.

Requizen wrote:

Ffyllotek wrote:
This may be a silly question... Will new codec contain units from IA12? And if standard CAD is no more, how will IA12 work with the non red harvest units (tessleract arc, sentinel etc).

No, Forgeworld units are Forgeworld. I don't think I've ever seen a FW unit added to a regular 40k codex.

Forgeworld units will still fulfill their battlefield role within a normal CAD.
Red Harvest has its own detachment (which cannot ally with other necrons according to some RAW for some stupid reason).

Any changes to Reanimation Protocols will determine if a normal CAD or the Mephrit is the stronger choice for tourneyments. Do you want the reroll 1's on RP, or do you want objective secured. Some rumors are saying that RP will happen before combat resolution... that may lean me in the direction of preferring Objective Secured troops.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
I was really looking forward to Necrons to start playing 40k again, but I think like all the other releases in the past year it will be shelved once I realize how much it would actually cost me to get started playing again...

Well, how much do you already have? These formations are really just for people who have an established collection.
Or for those with over-burdened wallets.

I have nothing for 40k anymore, it was all destroyed years ago. So I'd be starting from scratch, which makes everything so much worse :( Besides I meant more in general that it's going to be super expensive like everything else for 40k. Last time I looked at pricing some Necrons I was around $300 for 750 points...

Kangodo wrote:
Hmm, one little thing: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10933901_596519103781261_7621902590451278871_n.jpg?oh=6286d2537875fd5d83159239964a3a95&oe=556289C3&__gda__=1432070943_4ef9750b390ad3279fac334a3630e662

Do they mean "elite" as in 'elite warrior' or as in 'this unit takes up an elite-slot'?
Because that would mean Immortals became an Elite Choice for us.

changemod wrote:
What balance is there to not being allowed to field your Doom Scythe until you buy a second one? Or to needing to field a very large Destroyer Cult if at all? Or it being 100% mandatory to have a tomb blade unit at all times or you can't field a Decurion Army?

The balance? These are Formations.
Every Formation would be 'better' if you had a 0-X limit.
But if you had that for Formations, why bother with regular Detachments? Why would I pick several units if I could also pick those units with BONUS rules?

Hell, the only decent Formations for my Blood Angels are around 800-1000 points at a minimum.
So I think a minimum of two Doom Scythes just to gain some additional rules is something we should be happy with.

I've taken a look at the Decurion-chart and I am quite happy with it.
I'm already looking at lists I liked to play and analyze the small changes I could make to turn it into a Decurion, which would give me a lot of bonus rules.
The only thing that upsets me is the horror of 31-01-2015. It's the day where I am crying behind my catalogue editor from Battlescribe.

Yeah, I saw that too. They are next to a picture of a lychguard as well, which heavily implies the move to elite.
I hope they stay troop. The warriors were feeling lonely back in 3rd.

Kangodo wrote:

changemod wrote:
What balance is there to not being allowed to field your Doom Scythe until you buy a second one? Or to needing to field a very large Destroyer Cult if at all? Or it being 100% mandatory to have a tomb blade unit at all times or you can't field a Decurion Army?

The balance? These are Formations.
Every Formation would be 'better' if you had a 0-X limit.
But if you had that for Formations, why bother with regular Detachments? Why would I pick several units if I could also pick those units with BONUS rules?

Honestly I don't care what random bonus rules it has if they're going to treat it as a main codex FOC. The key point is that it should be accessible and flexible if used in that manner rather than a tool to get people to double up on sales of a bunch of models.

Kangodo wrote:
Hmm, one little thing: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10933901_596519103781261_7621902590451278871_n.jpg?oh=6286d2537875fd5d83159239964a3a95&oe=556289C3&__gda__=1432070943_4ef9750b390ad3279fac334a3630e662

Do they mean "elite" as in 'elite warrior' or as in 'this unit takes up an elite-slot'?
Because that would mean Immortals became an Elite Choice for us.

changemod wrote:
What balance is there to not being allowed to field your Doom Scythe until you buy a second one? Or to needing to field a very large Destroyer Cult if at all? Or it being 100% mandatory to have a tomb blade unit at all times or you can't field a Decurion Army?

The balance? These are Formations.
Every Formation would be 'better' if you had a 0-X limit.
But if you had that for Formations, why bother with regular Detachments? Why would I pick several units if I could also pick those units with BONUS rules?

Hell, the only decent Formations for my Blood Angels are around 800-1000 points at a minimum.
So I think a minimum of two Doom Scythes just to gain some additional rules is something we should be happy with.

I've taken a look at the Decurion-chart and I am quite happy with it.
I'm already looking at lists I liked to play and analyze the small changes I could make to turn it into a Decurion, which would give me a lot of bonus rules.
The only thing that upsets me is the horror of 31-01-2015. It's the day where I am crying behind my catalogue editor from Battlescribe.

I'm glad someone else noticed! I commented on this earlier, but everyone seemed to wrapped up in previous arguments to notice.

I dunno, it wouldn't surprise me, but it also wouldn't be a big issue if it Immortals were Elites. Though I would imagine a boost for them if they were, and perhaps Flayed Ones into Troops.

Only a week and a half... ugh, patience is not my virtue.

I am feeling very "meh" about this decurion thing. It is very inflexible and requires too many HQ choices. If I want an army with Crypteks and Destroyers I have to have three HQ's.
Then there's the weird "taxes" you have to pay. Want scarabs? You have to bring wraiths and a spider too. Annihilation Barges? You have to use a Doomsday Ark.
Do they actually think this is useful or strategically sound? What it's going to mean for me is tons of pages in my new book completely wasted.
And.....I'm fine with that. I don't like relying on formations anyways. If they left how things work mostly the same, I can keep running my old lists and having fun. It all comes down to how Crypteks work and what upgrades are available to them. Hopefully they spent all their creative juices in this weird decurion thing and didn't think to change too much

Requizen wrote:
I dunno, it wouldn't surprise me, but it also wouldn't be a big issue if it Immortals were Elites. Though I would imagine a boost for them if they were, and perhaps Flayed Ones into Troops.

Only a week and a half... ugh, patience is not my virtue.

I sure hope it doesn't happen.

Our troops selection already hurts from having only three choices... warriors, tesla immortals, gauss immortals. No upgrades or anything.
Never really liked flayed ones, never got into the ' they are crazy crazy space robots'

Very few of the formations or detachments that are coming out are supposed to be "competitively sound". They're for theme lists and fluffy armies. It largely comes down to whether you want your army to run as something that fights well against your enemies or one that has a cool overarching thematic look but doesn't worry about winning or losing.