Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)

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**Matt.Kingsley**

I'm going to assume that the Flayed Ones, Deathmarks and Star-God choices for the Decurion aren't actually Formations (since that would mean there's 8 formations (not counting the Decurion itself as they're calling it a detachment)

**BlaxicanX**

Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Hm ,

I realy do not have that much problems with the C'than. Sure... Random sucks.. But the powers are great. Yeah i know random. But if you rely on one single model to bring death to vehicles with crons you are doing something wrong IMO. Gauss, scarabs, heavy gauss canons, tachyon arrow, heat ray, anything entropic, short range haywire cryptek particle whip... Heck even tesla destructor,particle shredder and cc scythe attacks for medium and light vehicles.

And wow... Worries about not enough ap2 attacks for av 2 armour? Lol.. Ffs... Just tesla them biatchezzzz, mass volume of fire works better in most situations than one or 2 ap2 attacks.

But hey what about MC's? Ah well idk,.... Shackle them large bugs up, or wait, rapid fire rending on 2's them up with deathmarks works just fine.. And what about anything str 6 and up reliable wounding them? Also scythes murder them... But hey! What about them flying ones? Oh idk.... Being a good shooting army, how about just mass fire them out of the ffing sky?

Now the problem would be losing all this in the new dex... But that doesnt seem likely hmm? Well see very soon

This is all true I think, but "don't worry about the C'tan's deficiencies because X, Y and Z units do everything the C'tan does better and more reliably anyway" isn't really a good defense for the C'tan. lol

ClockworkZion wrote:
I'll be honest, I like the new rumors. It really feels like the Necrons are getting nice and balanced (if they're all true). I don't think I'll be dropping my Sisters right this second to play them, but that depends on the codex itself when it comes out. I like a book that feels like it's got some balance, or maybe even feels a touch underpowered because I always feel bad if I win too easily. I'm personally pretty stubborn and will play to the last model of mine is killed, but I know not everyone is like that or enjoys that level of challenge, so to me the Codex looks pretty good. The new 32mm bases on the models looks like it might make the army a touch more resilient to blast templates too.

And I know some people aren't too happy about the flavor being taken away from RP, but honestly I feel it streamlines how the game nicely and will take smoother game play over fluffier play in the long run.

So yeah, this will be the first codex I've bought since Orks came out, though a large part of that has to do more with available funds and free time more than anything else.

My feeling on the codex, based on the information we have so far, is generally positive as well. With the sole exception of the C'tan, I'm liking everything we've seen so far. I think this has the potential to be the most balanced codex we've seen in 7th.

**ClockworkZion**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I'm going to assume that the Flayed Ones, Deathmarks and Star-God choices for the Decurion aren't actually Formations (since that would mean there's 8 formations (not counting the Decurion itself as they're calling it a detachment)

All formations are technically detachments. They're just detachments you can take in an Unbound army.

And we'll see eventually I guess, it's just one of those things were I'm looking at it and it looks like a bunch of formations honestly. And if it is, there might be a thing for the C'Tan to make it a little more reliable.

**Waaghboss Grobnub**

@BlaxikanX. Nope XD

Just wondering btw. In the Judicator batallion they talk about a unit of triarch stalkers. Might this mean that we can take multiple for one slot? Hmmm

**ClockworkZion**

BlaxicanX wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
I'll be honest, I like the new rumors. It really feels like the Necrons are getting nice and balanced (if they're all true). I don't think I'll be dropping my Sisters right this second to play them, but that depends on the codex itself when it comes out. I like a book that feels like it's got some balance, or maybe even feels a touch underpowered because I always feel bad if I win too easily. I'm personally pretty stubborn and will play to the last model of mine is killed, but I know not everyone is like that or enjoys that level of challenge, so to me the Codex looks pretty good. The new 32mm bases on the models looks like it might make the army a touch more resilient to blast templates too.

And I know some people aren't too happy about the flavor being taken away from RP, but honestly I feel it streamlines how the game nicely and will take smoother game play over fluffier play in the long run.

So yeah, this will be the first codex I've bought since Orks came out, though a large part of that has to do more with available funds and free time more than anything else.

My feeling on the codex, based on the information we have so far, is generally positive as well. With the sole exception of the C'tan, I'm liking everything we've seen so far. I think this has the potential to be the most balanced codex we've seen in 7th.

I think that's saying a lot considering how balanced the books have been so far. 7th may not have the most competitive core ruleset (being a lot better for campaigns and the like) but I think it has some of the best codex balance to date.

**wuestenfux**

tastytaste wrote:
I hope this helps!

I made a post combining all the rumors and leaks we have so far.

Will update it as we get more stuff.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/01/24/rumor-it-necron-leaked-rules-rumors-compendium/

I don't care about formations.
On the other hand, I like what I've seen so far.
Overlord with better stats, Wraiths with higher toughness.
I'm interested to see the rules for Night Scythes, Destroyers, and Monos.
I have two Monos on the shelf. They wait for their return.

**Galorian**

wuestenfux wrote:
I have two Monos on the shelf. They wait for their return.

Wishing for a Mono build eh?

**wuestenfux**

Galorian wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
I have two Monos on the shelf. They wait for their return.

Wishing for a Mono build eh?

Right.
Monos and infantry can have a great synergy.
Teleporting and additional WBB rolls made up for some good lists.

**Ffyllotek**

wuestenfux wrote:
Galorian wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
I have two Monos on the shelf. They wait for their return.

Wishing for a Mono build eh?

Right.
Monos and infantry can have a great synergy.
Teleporting and additional WBB rolls made up for some good lists.

They've not actually had enhanced rp rolls in a long time...

**MonumentOfRibs**

I agree about the codex balance. Most of the armies so far in 7th play off very well against each other. And if you really can't handle that Necrons seem to be following the trend, then you probably starting playing the army for the wrong reasons

**wuestenfux**

I'm certainly not the first observing this but the Overlord is on a larger base, 32 mm, as the BA Tacticals.
Seems to be a new trend.

**CthuluIsSpy**

ClockworkZion wrote:
I'll be honest, I like the new rumors. It really feels like the Necrons are getting nice and balanced (if they're all true). I don't think I'll be dropping my Sisters right this second to play them, but that depends on the codex itself when it comes out. I like a book that feels like it's got some balance, or maybe even feels a touch underpowered because I always feel bad if I win too easily. I'm personally pretty stubborn and will play to the last model of mine is killed, but I know not everyone is like that or enjoys that level of challenge, so to me the Codex looks pretty good. The new 32mm bases on the models looks like it might make the army a touch more resilient to blast templates too.

And I know some people aren't too happy about the flavor being taken away from RP, but honestly I feel it streamlines how the game nicely and will take smoother game play over fluffier play in the long run.

So yeah, this will be the first codex I've bought since Orks came out, though a large part of that has to do more with available funds and free time more than anything else.

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tastytaste wrote:
Hollismason wrote:
tastytaste wrote:
I hope this helps!

I made a post combining all the rumors and leaks we have so far.

Will update it as we get more stuff.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/01/24/rumor-it-necron-leaked-rules-rumors-compendium/

You say 8 formations , but isnt it 12?

8 Formations is what it says in the Codex description found on GW website

This looks like it should be 10 (assuming the whole Decurion is a formation itself):

I counted 11, 12 if you count the Decurion.

Fast Attack:
Night Scythe:
Ghost Ark:
Canoptek Wraiths: T5
Canoptek Scarabs:
Tomb Blades:
Destroyers: 2 Wounds
Heavy Support:
Doom Scythe: Death Ray - 24" S10 AP1, Heavy 1, Blast, Lance
Doomsday Ark: Doomsday Cannon - Stationary 72" S10 AP1, Heavy 1 Large Blast. Combat Speed 24" S8 AP3 Blast

Please let this be true.

**Galorian**

MonumentOfRibs wrote:
I agree about the codex balance. Most of the armies so far in 7th play off very well against each other. And if you really can't handle that Necrons seem to be following the trend, then you probably starting playing the army for the wrong reasons

I'd be happy with a 7th balanced codex, what I dislike is the utter unreliability of the C'tan's shooting. For a model priced at 240pts to have shooting that is, at best, semi-reliable against low-mid toughness MCs with poor saves and light infantry and little in the way of means to reach melee (unless their movement rate gets seriously buffed), is just plain bad.

You don't pay Land Raider prices for something this unreliable.

I would've liked it if Tesla remained as it was and just had the prices of things using TL Tesla Destructors adjusted accordingly- the way it works is fun and makes sense thematically (hell, the starship grade version in BFG has special rules specifically meant to simulate the fact it's a "blind fire" weapon by allowing it to ignore holo/shadow fields and the target's maneuverability). Tesla SHOULD work well when snap-firing because that's kind of its thing.

**ImAGeek**

wuestenfux wrote:
I'm certainly not the first observing this but the Overlord is on a larger base, 32 mm, as the BA Tacticals.
Seems to be a new trend.

The Overlord is actually on a 40mm base I think. The Necrons in the tomb awakens box are all on 32mm though.

**vipoid**

I wonder if Overlords will have any wargear/artefacts to give them IWND?

wuestenfux wrote:
I'm certainly not the first observing this but the Overlord is on a larger base, 32 mm, as the BA Tacticals.
Seems to be a new trend.

I think it's actually a 40mm base.

Personally, I don't see the appeal.

**Nilok**

I was just going over my email and noticed GW's ad for the new Necron Codex, in the email GW had a few pictures from the roster builder.

First, the Doomsday Ark is 170 points, so 5 point drop.

Second, there was an image for the Tomb Blade, though was too low res to read what options it had, but three Tomb Blades + something was 58 points. However, I could see that there were options to be purchased. This means that the Nightbringer has no ability to purchase any wargear. The only hope for people for more reliable C'tan will be in the Crypteks.

**ImAGeek**

vipoid wrote:
I wonder if Overlords will have any wargear/artefacts to give them IWND?

wuestenfux wrote:
I'm certainly not the first observing this but the Overlord is on a larger base, 32 mm, as the BA Tacticals.
Seems to be a new trend.

I think it's actually a 40mm base.

Personally, I don't see the appeal.

I think Necron and SM look much better on the 32s.

**Galorian**

ImAGeek wrote:
vipoid wrote:
I wonder if Overlords will have any wargear/artefacts to give them IWND?

wuestenfux wrote:
I'm certainly not the first observing this but the Overlord is on a larger base, 32 mm, as the BA Tacticals.
Seems to be a new trend.

I think it's actually a 40mm base.

Personally, I don't see the appeal.

I think Necron and SM look much better on the 32s.

I agree that they look kind of silly on a 25mm base (bow legged warriors with their feet poking out of it on both sides especially), but I'm really not going to go through rebasing them AGAIN.

New ones I'll put on the new 32mm bases, old ones are just gonna have to live with lesser living conditions.

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Nilok wrote:
I was just going over my email and noticed GW's ad for the new Necron Codex, in the email GW had a few pictures from the roster builder.

First, the Doomsday Ark is 170 points, so 5 point drop.

Second, there was an image for the Tomb Blade, though was too low res to read what options it had, but three Tomb Blades + something was 58 points. However, I could see that there were options to be purchased. This means that the Nightbringer has no ability to purchase any wargear. The only hope for people for more reliable C'tan will be in the Crypteks.

Can you upload the images?

**Mr.Omega**

Hearing that the worst of the Necron bs has been nerfed has made my day. With a large MSS nerf maybe now my combat characters won't auto-lose to Lords, less reanimation stupidity, and less flyer spam.

Add a large Anni-Barge nerf to that list and I have no more complaints with Necrons.

**Kangodo**

Huh, nerfs?
Perhaps you should re-read all rumours, because they are surely a lot stronger than before.
Also don't expect MSS to get nerfed, it will probably be buffed a lot seeing how it is useless at the moment.

**Eyjio**

Nilok wrote:I was just going over my email and noticed GW's ad for the new Necron Codex, in the email GW had a few pictures from the roster builder.

First, the Doomsday Ark is 170 points, so 5 point drop.

Second, there was an image for the Tomb Blade, though was too low res to read what options it had, but three Tomb Blades + something was 58 points. However, I could see that there were options to be purchased. This means that the Nightbringer has no ability to purchase any wargear. The only hope for people for more reliable C'tan will be in the Crypteks.

Can you upload these? 58 would be at least a 1 point drop.

Mr.Omega wrote:Hearing that the worst of the Necron bs has been nerfed has made my day. With a large MSS nerf maybe now my combat characters won't auto-lose to Lords, less reanimation stupidity, and less flyer spam.

Add a large Anni-Barge nerf to that list and I have no more complaints with Necrons.

No more complaints because you'll never see them again? Those things were spammed because they prop up the failings of the book vs MCs and low saves...

**ImAGeek**

Kangodo wrote:
Huh, nerfs?
Perhaps you should re-read all rumours, because they are surely a lot stronger than before.
Also don't expect MSS to get nerfed, it will probably be buffed a lot seeing how it is useless at the moment.

How are MSS useless?

**vipoid**

ImAGeek wrote:
Kangodo wrote:
Huh, nerfs?
Perhaps you should re-read all rumours, because they are surely a lot stronger than before.
Also don't expect MSS to get nerfed, it will probably be buffed a lot seeing how it is useless at the moment.

How are MSS useless?

Oh, come on. It's just so much effort to get them to work.

I mean, first you have to buy a character (who uses those these days?).

Then you have to find 15pts. Fifteen! Just for MSS. And, you even have to take the time to write them down in your list (who has that sort of time on their hands?).

**Kangodo**

ImAGeek wrote:
How are MSS useless?

Well, "useless" since you are paying a lot of points for an item that only helps when you attack, a MC attacks you or if your opponent doesn't know the rules.
That is a really narrow use, but for some reason people think it is overpowered.
So expect something that sounds like a nerf but is actually a buff.

**Anpu-adom**

8 Formations...
the Decursion is a detachment.
Apparently, GW is making a distinction. Formations have no choice of units other than maybe how many to bring. Detachments, however do.

**Galorian**

Eyjio wrote:
Nilok wrote:I was just going over my email and noticed GW's ad for the new Necron Codex, in the email GW had a few pictures from the roster builder.

First, the Doomsday Ark is 170 points, so 5 point drop.

Second, there was an image for the Tomb Blade, though was too low res to read what options it had, but three Tomb Blades + something was 58 points. However, I could see that there were options to be purchased. This means that the Nightbringer has no ability to purchase any wargear. The only hope for people for more reliable C'tan will be in the Crypteks.

Can you upload these? 58 would be at least a 1 point drop.

58 is indivisible by 3, meaning the squad now has at least one upgrade that is either squad wide with no correlation between squad size and price (fairly unlikely) or can be taken for only a part of the squad instead of the current all-or-none.

It could be a 1 point upgrade taken once meaning their base price dropped by 1 point, a 2 point upgrade taken twice/4 point upgrade taken once meaning their base price dropped by 2 points. Could even be a 3 point price drop with some combination of upgrades totaling in 7 additional points for the unit, but that's pushing it.

Having their price drop to 16pts or less would be ridiculous unless they got nerfed to hell and back in the process.

**jms40k**

Galorian wrote:
Having their price drop to 16pts or less would be ridiculous unless they got nerfed to hell and back in the process.

I believe Nob Bikers are the only biker units not to receive a significant price drop. Reavers used to be 22 points and are now 16. Yes, there are rule changes, that should be expected, but cheaper units are good since the tomb blades as a base unit (not including the jet bike shenanigans which should remain anyway) weren't all that overwhelming to begin with.

**MonumentOfRibs**

Galorian wrote:
MonumentOfRibs wrote:

I'd be happy with a 7th balanced codex, what I dislike is the utter unreliability of the C'tan's shooting. For a model priced at 240pts to have shooting that is, at best, semi-reliable against low-mid toughness MCs with poor saves and light infantry and little in the way of means to reach melee (unless their movement rate gets seriously buffed), is just plain bad.

You don't pay Land Raider prices for something this unreliable.

I would've liked it if Tesla remained as it was and just had the prices of things using TL Tesla Destructors adjusted accordingly- the way it works is fun and makes sense thematically (hell, the starship grade version in BFG has special rules specifically meant to simulate the fact it's a "blind fire" weapon by allowing it to ignore holo/shadow fields and the target's maneuverability). Tesla SHOULD work well when snap-firing because that's kind of its thing.

The randomness is a little disappointing I agree, but I feel it defines the C'tan a little better on the tabletop. It never sat right with me that they listened to their slavers orders without a hint of rebellion.

Regarding tesla, we knew this was coming. Space wolves have a similar power with a similar restriction IIRC

**vipoid**

Kangodo wrote:

Well, "useless" since you are paying a lot of points for an item that only helps when you attack, a MC attacks you or if your opponent doesn't know the rules.
That is a really narrow use, but for some reason people think it is overpowered.

15pts is not a lot. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

And, what mere 15pts can not only stop a character or MC from attacking (with no possible defence against it), it can also make them attack themselves. Oh, and the Overlord can still hit them with his Warscythe.

It's probably the best value you can get for 15pts anywhere in the game.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Provided the MSS targets something dangerous and not just some foot soldier. It seems that everyone keeps forgetting that you have to randomly select the target.