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Hollismason wrote:
For 170 points though, that's really really high cost.

Does anyone else see that as a 3 Tomb Blades with a upgrade or is it just me.

Definitely 3 Tomb Blades, and they definitely have upgrade options. We can also make out the price for the unit as 58pts.

58 is indivisible by 3, so this means they must have upgrade options that can be taken for only some of the models in the squad.

By the way, some nice pieces of artwork here:
http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-reglas-a-dia-25/

 Galorian wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
For 170 points though, that's really really high cost.

Does anyone else see that as a 3 Tomb Blades with a upgrade or is it just me.

Definitely 3 Tomb Blades, and they definitely have upgrade options. We can also make out the price for the unit as 58pts.

58 is indivisible by 3, so this means they must have upgrade options that can be taken for only some of the models in the squad.

The next number divided by 3 is 48, so that'd be a ten point upgrade, which is what indicates to me it is possible that it's a 1 out of 3 upgrade option.

However this would put them at 16 points per model, that's pretty low on ppm.

Hollismason wrote:

 Galorian wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
For 170 points though, that's really really high cost.

Does anyone else see that as a 3 Tomb Blades with a upgrade or is it just me.

Definitely 3 Tomb Blades, and they definitely have upgrade options. We can also make out the price for the unit as 58pts.

58 is indivisible by 3, so this means they must have upgrade options that can be taken for only some of the models in the squad.

The next number divided by 3 is 48, so that'd be a ten point upgrade, which is what indicates to me it is possible that it's a 1 out of 3 upgrade option.

However this would put them at 16 points per model, that's pretty low on ppm.

Well, They didn't really sell well in the last codex. Knocking down the price and making them mandatory in the Decurion formation seems like a GW thing to do.

I mean, at 16 PPM if they are like the old Tomb Blades with the new RP, I'd buy some for sure.

 nflagey wrote:
By the way, some nice pieces of artwork here:
http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-reglas-a-dia-25/

Nice.



Seems like even the Necrons must suffer austerity in these trying times...


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 Sasori wrote:

Hollismason wrote:

 Galorian wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
For 170 points though, that's really really high cost.

Does anyone else see that as a 3 Tomb Blades with a upgrade or is it just me.

Definitely 3 Tomb Blades, and they definitely have upgrade options. We can also make out the price for the unit as 58pts.

58 is indivisible by 3, so this means they must have upgrade options that can be taken for only some of the models in the squad.

The next number divided by 3 is 48, so that'd be a ten point upgrade, which is what indicates to me it is possible that it's a 1 out of 3 upgrade option.

However this would put them at 16 points per model, that's pretty low on ppm.

Well, They didn't really sell well in the last codex. Knocking down the price and making them mandatory in the Decurion formation seems like a GW thing to do.

I mean, at 16 PPM if they are like the old Tomb Blades with the new RP, I'd buy some for sure.

I have five of them and usually enjoy running them, if they're getting that much better I may just get a few more...

16PPM seems a bit low and really good.
Perhaps they are 18 PPM with a 2-point upgrade on two of them?

Guess I should start painting the three I have

 Nilok wrote:
Here is the image from the email. Sorry it's so small, but I doubt GW wanted to actually release any point values intentionally.

Here's what I think I see:

(Picture of tomb blade) x3 <- means base unit size now 3.

May take up to (seven?) additional
Tomb Blades. 18 pts/model (maybe 16 but looks more like an 8 to me)

Any model may exchange their twin linked gauss blaster for:
Twin linked tesla carbine (3 taken) free
Particle (Beamer?) (??) pts/model (vaguely looks like 15?)

Any model may take:
Shieldvanes (2?) points per model

Any model may take (something) the following:
(Can't read any of it, I bet it's the old upgrade names but they look to be free? Can't figure out missing word).


Anyone disagreeing or can see better than I can, feel free to help.

I don't see anything but x 3 and 58, you have much better eyes than me!!

If they keep the stealth bonus, plus Reanimation Protocols, they just became probably one of the more top notch units in the codex.

4+ Cover
3+ Armour
5++
T5

For

16 points per model is insane.

What interests me about that page is the six fast attack and seven heavy support choices.

Side note: Just me, or does that army builder thing look like it was made in the 90's?

That may be the total number of available units in that FOC slot and yes it looks like it's from the 1990s.

Cautiously optimistic at this point.

There's no way Wraiths went up to T5 and kept the 2 wounds btw.

Well I'm guessing the FA choices will be Wraiths, Scarabs, Tomb Blades, Destroyers, Ghost Arks and Night Scythes and HA will be Doom Scythes, Annihilation Barges, Doomsday Arks, Monoliths, Spyders, Heay Destroyers (since they've been rumored to be split again) and something else... maybe the Transcendent C'Tan?

changemod wrote:
What interests me about that page is the six fast attack and seven heavy support choices.

Well the two extra FA are probably for the Night Scythe and Ghost Ark, since they have been making the dedicated transports FA choices in other codices. Not sure about the two extra HS options though.

changemod wrote:
What interests me about that page is the six fast attack and seven heavy support choices.

Side note: Just me, or does that army builder thing look like it was made in the 90's?

The "collection manager" (since it is a pretty poor army builder) is an iPad Enhanced Codex thing.

The Transcendent C'tan being nerfed not just to be weaker, but to not actually be more powerful than a shard is just bizzare. Only guess I have is it's a lazy way of removing the unit completely: New C'tan superficially called Transcendent C'tan overrides the older rules.

It'd better at least be a valid target for the God Shackle and Conclave, otherwise why take it over one with non-wrecked fluff at all?

Heavy Destroyers seem like a valid option for that slot.
What are the chances for Triarch Stalkers to become HS?
I wouldn't like it, but it seems likely.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

changemod wrote:
What interests me about that page is the six fast attack and seven heavy support choices.

Side note: Just me, or does that army builder thing look like it was made in the 90's?

The "collection manager" (since it is a pretty poor army builder) is an iPad Enhanced Codex thing.

Ah yes: The "Enhanced" codexes are pretty obviously less about being easier to navigate or better presented than they are designed to be harder to screenshot and redistribute.

None, theyre in the elites section of the preview page.

Hollismason wrote:

There's no way Wraiths went up to T5 and kept the 2 wounds btw.

There is if the rumour of Phase Shifters dropping to 4++ is true.

Torquar wrote:

Hollismason wrote:

There's no way Wraiths went up to T5 and kept the 2 wounds btw.

There is if the rumour of Phase Shifters dropping to 4++ is true.

Immune to S8 instant death, easier to kill with high AP stuff and more durable against small arms fire is actually a pretty interesting rebalance.

Particularly since in general, it seems way easier to design an overall assault army with this codex than the last one.

 nflagey wrote:
By the way, some nice pieces of artwork here:
http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-reglas-a-dia-25/

I really like the bottom piece of art, but (and I know I sound like a broken record), none of the other pieces are really spectacular. The one with them fighting Nids in the air - why is there what looks like an imperial city in the background?

We've seen much better art from GW before. Their art was one of the things they've always seemed to do well, but this is quite sub par I feel.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 nflagey wrote:
By the way, some nice pieces of artwork here:
http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-reglas-a-dia-25/

I really like the bottom piece of art, but (and I know I sound like a broken record), none of the other pieces are really spectacular. The one with them fighting Nids in the air - why is there what looks like an imperial city in the background?

isn't that related to the recent campaign?

 nflagey wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 nflagey wrote:
By the way, some nice pieces of artwork here:
http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-reglas-a-dia-25/

I really like the bottom piece of art, but (and I know I sound like a broken record), none of the other pieces are really spectacular. The one with them fighting Nids in the air - why is there what looks like an imperial city in the background?

isn't that related to the recent campaign?

Yeah it might be. I didn't think of that. Still, the rest of what I said I stand by

changemod wrote:

Torquar wrote:

Hollismason wrote:

There's no way Wraiths went up to T5 and kept the 2 wounds btw.

There is if the rumour of Phase Shifters dropping to 4++ is true.

Immune to S8 instant death, easier to kill with high AP stuff and more durable against small arms fire is actually a pretty interesting rebalance.

Particularly since in general, it seems way easier to design an overall assault army with this codex than the last one.

I want my Lords to have decent initiative!

It makes no sense to give guys who are rather explicitly faster than Space Marines in fluff an initiative score that's lower than that of a baseline human.

If Tomb Blades would now be 16 ppm, we'll either see a stats nerf or Immortals and Warriors knocked down in points.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 nflagey wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 nflagey wrote:
By the way, some nice pieces of artwork here:
http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-reglas-a-dia-25/

I really like the bottom piece of art, but (and I know I sound like a broken record), none of the other pieces are really spectacular. The one with them fighting Nids in the air - why is there what looks like an imperial city in the background?

isn't that related to the recent campaign?

Yeah it might be. I didn't think of that. Still, the rest of what I said I stand by

Im really not an expert, but isn't there a significant change in the style of the artwork (besides being better/worse)?
I just have 2 codices (Orks and Necrons, previous edition) and those pieces seem really different from whatever I've seen before

I am 99% sure the number is 18 pts/model now, just had a look at the nid force requisition and the 6 looks way different. So, tomb blades - almost certainly 18 pts/model.

changemod wrote:
What interests me about that page is the six fast attack and seven heavy support choices.

Side note: Just me, or does that army builder thing look like it was made in the 90's?

6 fast attack (again, squinting at the pixelated image of the Tomb Blades with an image enhancer):
Ghost Ark (? - definitely looks like 2 words, the last one no longer than 3 letters)
Night Scythe
Canoptek Wraiths
Canoptek Scarabs
Tomb Blades
Destroyers (?, doesn't really look like it but 100% not elites)


I'm reasonably sure that Heavy Destroyers are not listed here.

Heavy Support:
Heavy Destroyer (? - last bit looks similar to final entry of fast attack, first bit definitely looks like Heavy)
Canoptek Spyder
Doom Scythe
Monolith
?? (Uhhh... no idea honestly. Maybe Stalker?)
Doomsday Ark
Annihilation Barge
Uhhh... no idea honestly.


Again, these are guesses rather than reliable information. Tomb Blades were much easier to deduce the writing as it's standardised in the charts, and the upgrades are written with interesting word heights, making them mostly easy to pick out. The text for these is much smaller and in places literally a single pixel - impossible to tell.

If I can figure out more, or anyone has a fancy super-duper photo enhancer for digital photography rather than what I'm using (photoshop) then feel free to chip in.

Incidently, here's the elites page in case anyone missed it, from the iTunes page for the enhanced codex:

Note - Stalker is still elite, making that other entry a mystery indeed. Could it be that the Transcendant C'tan, Obelisk or Vault is now Heavy Support rather than a Lord of War? I am 90% sure that heavy Destroyers are Heavy Support, which stinks.

 nflagey wrote:

Im really not an expert, but isn't there a significant change in the style of the artwork (besides being better/worse)?
I just have 2 codices (Orks and Necrons, previous edition) and those pieces seem really different from whatever I've seen before

All of that art is from Exterminatus.

 nflagey wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 nflagey wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 nflagey wrote:
By the way, some nice pieces of artwork here:
http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11577037-portada-y-lider-del-codex-necron-reglas-a-dia-25/

I really like the bottom piece of art, but (and I know I sound like a broken record), none of the other pieces are really spectacular. The one with them fighting Nids in the air - why is there what looks like an imperial city in the background?

isn't that related to the recent campaign?

Yeah it might be. I didn't think of that. Still, the rest of what I said I stand by

Im really not an expert, but isn't there a significant change in the style of the artwork (besides being better/worse)?
I just have 2 codices (Orks and Necrons, previous edition) and those pieces seem really different from whatever I've seen before

It looks much more computerised. I'm not against digital art, but it just looks crap to me. The new art in ET: Thanquol was amazing and that was mostly digital.

C'Tan Shard Nightbringer: 240 pts, Eternal warrior, Fleshbane, Gaze of Death - 12" AP2 Roll 3D6 and subtract the target’s Leadership; the target unit suffers a number of Wounds equal to the result.

Not to start the yelling match again regarding the C'Tan but I am curious about how the 'fleshbane' should be interpreted.
The way it is listed doesn't seem to suggest that it applies to Gaze of Death.
So to his CC attacks?
To Gaze of Death?
To the random better-luck-next-time attacks? (sorry I couldn't resist ;&gt

For the deceiver, it seems clear how Hit and run will work.

FWIW, I love the new art. It's quite remarkable that they managed to make Tomb Blades and Night Scythes look good, rather than awful. Even the derpy crowns look reasonably okay in that art. I did notice they cheated a bit with Night Scythes and had them fly upside down so as to not show the stupid exposed pilot...