Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)

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**KurtAngle2**

KurtAngle2 wrote:
RivenSkull wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
Looks like you guys can all calm down with the dispersion shield conversions

That list isn't including the Technoarcana....

Do you know there's a difference between items reported in the "Wargear List" and those put in the TechnoArcana section?

**Warmonger2757**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Ranged Weapons:
Gauntlet of Fire
Tachyon Arrow

Melee Weapons:
Hyperhpase Sword
Voidblade
Warscythe

Technoarcana:
Mindshackle Scarabs
Phylactery
Ressurection Orb
Phase Shifter

Artefacts:
Solar Staff
Veil of Darkness
Gauntlet of the Conflagrator
Voidreaper
Nightmare Shroud
Orb of Eternity

Hopefully no one has glued dispersion shields on to their necron lords yet, looks like it's not an option.

The Mephrit Dynasty is looking pretty good to me, their Artefacts are a better. The rerollable 2+ save is awesome with a +1 to str for weapons. God shackle is nice, don't see anything like that in the necron codex. The warscythe with precision strikes is nice as well.

I do like the Guantlet of the Conflagrator since it looks like crypteks lost ALL of their flavor. So much for Harbingers.

**Desubot**

Wouldn't beast also mean your attached d.... oh snap no more d-lord speed shenanigans?

**Requizen**

ClassicCarraway wrote:
Requizen wrote:
ClassicCarraway wrote:
Requizen wrote:

Imotekh the Stormlord (190 points, LORD OF WAR)

WS5 BS5 S5 T5 W3 I2 A3 Ld10 Sv.2+

Gauntlet of Fire, Phase Shifter, Staff of the Destroyer: 18", S6 AP2, Assault 3

IC, RP, It will not die, Hyperlogical Strategist trait

Lord of the Swarm: Night fighting is always in effect during first game turn. Once per game, at start of friendly shooting phase, roll a D6 for each enemy unit within 48" of Imootekh. On a 5+, that unit suffers D6 Strength 6 AP- hits, randomly allocated.

Bloodswarm Nanoscarabs: Flayed Ones can re-roll scatter dice when deep striking

And them's the characters!

Read more: http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/48760/new-necrons-codex?page=9&scrollTo=834737#ixzz3Q2dCykfM

Imotkeh's Staff of the Destroyer is MUCH better now (the one use thing was butts before and you know it), has IWND base, Lord of the Storm is actually buffed quite a frelling bit, and Bloodswarm Nanoscarabs + new Flayed Ones is quite good!

Sorry, but Imotek's Lord of the Storm ability got nerfed hard (thankfully). Yes, he has a better chance at hitting, but its at a reduced strength (previously was S8), and is only activated once per game instead of typically 3-5 times per game. Since it can only target units within 48" of Imotek, that could insinuate that cover saves can be taken, and he can no longer fire it off while in the safe confines of reserves or in a Nightscythe.

I'm personally glad that ability got nerfed hard, it was easily the most aggravating part of playing my opponent's Necrons. He had an uncanny knack for blowing up or hulling vehicles, and since he can't reroll those lightning strikes anymore with a chronometron, I'm even happier!

When he posted it, he simply said "At the start of every Shooting phase, roll a d6 for each enemy unit in 48" and on a 5+...", which makes me think that it's no longer limited by Night Fighting. If so, then it's a very, very good ability. If it's still bound to only Night Fighting, then you're right.

It doesn't read like its bound to Night Fighting, but even so, its still a big nerf.

I dunno, I have to disagree. The power of the shots is less effective for sure, but the fact that it's all game long and more likely to go off balances that out quite a bit in my opinion. There was nothing quite as frustrating to me as going "yay it's still Night Fight! Oh, rolling 6s is annoying and most of your army is in reserve. Oh, Night Fight ended after one turn and now your whole army came on. Oh well I guess...".

**RivenSkull**

KurtAngle2 wrote:
RivenSkull wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
Looks like you guys can all calm down with the dispersion shield conversions

That list isn't including the Technoarcana....

Do you know there's a difference between items reported in the "Wargear List" and those put in the TechnoArcana section?

So rather than being a little gak, you could try saying "Since it was posted on the other forum that this is the HQ wargear options, where as here it's just a list without that label."

But no, that would be hard for you.

**Screaming Echo**

These last couple pages were very depressing...

**BlaxicanX**

Red Corsair wrote:

At least you admit it, I doubt Blaxican will though.

BlaxicanX wrote:
Kangodo wrote:
One more thing I noticed:

Models with Powers of the C'Tan can use them as a ranged weapon in the shooting phase.

Would this mean they could fire two Powers as they are MC's?
Needs to be answered ASAP. 'tis the difference between "bit of alright" and "not very good".

How's that ownage taste, Red?

Requizen wrote:
Kay, exactly as worded then.

Canoptek Wraiths - 120 points (unit of 3)

WS4 BS4 S6 T5 W2 I2 A3 Ld10 Sv.3+

Fearless, Rending, Very Bulky

Wraith Form: Canptek Wraiths have 3+ Invuln. Save

Wraithflight: When moving, Canoptek Wraiths can mve over all other models and terrain as if they were open ground. However, they cannot end their move on top of other models and can only end their move on top of impassable terrain if it is possible to actually place the models on top of it.

May include up to three additional Canoptek Wraiths (40 points per model)

Any model may take one of the following:

Whip Coils - 3 pts per model
Particle caster - 5pts per model
Transdimensional beamer - 10pts per model

Read more: http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/48760/new-necrons-codex?page=10#ixzz3Q2niOHRJ

They really want people to continue to use Wraiths. T5 W2 3++ Ignores Terrain (except for charging), still S6 Rending... dangit the FA slot is STACKED.

Oh... my god.

GW... what are you doing? Strength 5 and no nerfs is only worth a +5ppm increase?

Well, there' your answer to MC's now, Necron players. You can quit bitching now.

**Henker-Kind**

vipoid wrote:
I wonder if Gauntlets of Fire will be worth using.

Henker-Kind wrote:
vipoid wrote:
So, is there a point to Trazyn now?

He doesn't have super-scoring, he doesn't have anything like the old MSS, his weapon is crap and it's effect is somehow even more useless than before (if you can believe that). What's the point of taking him?

Moreover, if he dies, why would you want him back? You're sacrificing a useful character to revive a crap one.

His model is ugly (imo), his rules are boring, get the sculpt out of my way

He was my favourite of the Necron characters. I'd really hoped that he'd be worth using.

I am sorry for you bro! I lost the T-C'tan on my side an the old deceiver and nightbringer and my wraith sculpt those were my favorite - and I do not like any of the new sculpts except the vault and t-C'tan - so I know your pain, but sorry if that wass rude on my part dude!

**ClassicCarraway**

docdoom77 wrote:
So deathmarks only get the 2+ for one turn? Suck. Oh well. It's not terrible. Hopefully they can cripple or destroy the target right away.

Oh and it only works if they arrive from deepstrike. I guess I won't be putting them in a Nightscythe now.

Veil of Darkness is considered Deepstriking, so with a Cryptek with the veil, they can get two turns out of it.

**Requizen**

ClassicCarraway wrote:
docdoom77 wrote:
So deathmarks only get the 2+ for one turn? Suck. Oh well. It's not terrible. Hopefully they can cripple or destroy the target right away.

Oh and it only works if they arrive from deepstrike. I guess I won't be putting them in a Nightscythe now.

Veil of Darkness is considered Deepstriking, so with a Cryptek with the veil, they can get two turns out of it.

Oh, clever. Especially since it now can take them out of Assault if they get charged after they DS. Veil + Gauntlet Cryptek with Deathmarks is still kind of just a gimmick unit, but that improves the gimmick quite a bit.

**Drakmord**

Folks over on The Tyranid Hive are pretty upset about the Decurion seeming mandatory. To clarify, the BRB gives the option to be battleforged to everyone, correct?

**King Pariah**

Don't recall seeing it in the thread previously and I apologize if it was already posted but anyone else notice that Rod of Convenant is no longer unwieldy in CC?

**buddha**

Wow, the tesseract vault is a mere fast attack choice. Crazy. Along with the Obelisk we have 2 superheavies in the normal dex.

**Red Corsair**

I see no restriction for ghost arks occupants from the leaked page. So I would guess you CAN put lychguard into them. The only parts missing from the transports were the capacities but I have never seen such a restriction placed there, still, COULD be a first. Still hope for that combo.

I am still disappointed that wraiths are the FA auto take again. I wanted them to remain good, but not the, your crazy not to take these fellas choice. Right now their only real competition IMHO are scoped tomb blades and the transports.

Why oh earth are heavy destroyers a on per upgrade

**angelofvengeance**

Yeah I'm just going to make Trazyn into a Cryptek or a Lord

**RivenSkull**

Red Corsair wrote:
I see no restriction for ghost arks occupants from the leaked page. So I would guess you CAN put lychguard into them. The only parts missing from the transports were the capacities but I have never seen such a restriction placed there, still, COULD be a first. Still hope for that combo.

I am still disappointed that wraiths are the FA auto take again. I wanted them to remain good, but not the, your crazy not to take these fellas choice. Right now their only real competition IMHO are scoped tomb blades and the transports.

Why oh earth are heavy destroyers a on per upgrade

Ghost ark can only take Warriors and Characters, but it only has 10 slots. Warriors are now a minimum of 10 per unit.

Genius!

**Desubot**

Red Corsair wrote:
I see no restriction for ghost arks occupants from the leaked page. So I would guess you CAN put lychguard into them. The only parts missing from the transports were the capacities but I have never seen such a restriction placed there, still, COULD be a first. Still hope for that combo.

Its under transport capacity

**ClockworkZion**

Okay, about the formations. Once again peeps, there is NO Force Org Chart. The way they want you to build this army, apparently, is to clump a bunch of these formations together. This time I am also posting the Formation special rules.

Reclamation Legion (1+)

1 Overlord
0-2 Lychguard
1-4 Immortals
2-8 Necron Warriors
1-3 Tomb Blades
0-3 Monoloiths

Special Rules: Moves Through Cover, Relentless
You can re-roll reanimation rolls of 1 for the overlord, or units within 12" of him

1-10 choices of the following per reclamation legion:

(0 to 1) Royal Court=
1 Overlord
1-3 Lords
1-3 Crypteks

Special Rules: Move through cover, relentless
If overlord for this formation is your warlord, you can re-roll warlord traits when using Codex Cron warlord traits table.

Judicator Battatlion=
1 unit of Triach Stalkers
2 units of Triarch Praetorians

Special Rules: Move Through Cover
At start of shooting phase, pick an enemy within LOS of Triarch Stalker. Re-roll failed to hit, to wound, and armour penetration rolls against the target until end of turn.

Destroyer Cult=
1 Destroyer Lord
3 units of destroyers
0-1 units of heavy destroyers

Special Rules: Move through cover
If this formation is your primary detachment, can re-roll for Warlord Traits
Units in this formation re-roll failed to wound and armour penetration rolls

Canoptek Harvest=
1 Canoptek Spyder
1 unit of Canoptek Wraiths
1 unit of Canoptek Scarabs

Special Rules: Move Through Cover, Relentless
At start of Movement phase, can gain Fleet, Reanimation Protocols, or Shred. Spyder and all formation units within 12" gain those special rules until your next movement phase.

Star God=
1 C'Tan Shard f the Deceiver, Shard of the Nightbringer, Transcendent C'Tan or Tessaract Vault

Annihalation Nexus=
2 Annihilation Barges
1 Domsday Ark

Special Rules:
If Doomsday Ark from this formation loses it's quantum shielding, choose an annihilation barge within 6". The barge loses its quantum shielding, and the Doomsday ark gets Quantum shielding instead.

Flayed Ones=
1 unit of Flayed Ones

Living Tomb=
1 Obelisk
0-2 Monoloths

Special Rules: Formation must be placed in Deep Strike reserve. Do not make reserve rlls fr the Obelisk, it automatically arrives on your turn 2. Monoliths do not scatter when deep striking if placed within 12" of the Obelisk.
Immediately after a Monoloths arrives frm this formation, choose one friendly Cron unit nthat is entirely infantry or jump infantry that is in reserve. Place it as though disembarking from the Monolith's eternity gate.

Deathmarks=
1 unit of Deathmarks

Deathbringer Flight
2-4 Doomscythes

Special Rules:
When Doom Scythe from this formation fires a death ray, add 2 to BS for each other Doom Scythe from this formation that shot at the enemy this turn.
All enemy units within 12" of at least two Doom Scythes from this formation have -1 Ld.

I don't see this preventing the use of Leviathan or the CAD as alternatives though.

**Requizen**

King Pariah wrote:Don't recall seeing it in the thread previously and I apologize if it was already posted but anyone else notice that Rod of Convenant is no longer unwieldy in CC?

Correct. S User AP2 Two Handed Unwieldy.

buddha wrote:Wow, the tesseract vault is a mere fast attack choice. Crazy. Along with the Obelisk we have 2 superheavies in the normal dex.

He didn't say a slot. His response of "Fast Attack" was about the Ghost Ark and Night Scythe. He said Super Heavy and 550 points, which makes me think Lord of War.

Red Corsair wrote:I see no restriction for ghost arks occupants from the leaked page. So I would guess you CAN put lychguard into them. The only parts missing from the transports were the capacities but I have never seen such a restriction placed there, still, COULD be a first. Still hope for that combo.

I am still disappointed that wraiths are the FA auto take again. I wanted them to remain good, but not the, your crazy not to take these fellas choice. Right now their only real competition IMHO are scoped tomb blades and the transports.

Why oh earth are heavy destroyers a on per upgrade

The Ghost Ark leak page clearly says "Warriors and Characters only" in the bottom right.

Because Heavy Destroyers can now be taken as Heavy Support options as their own squad, if that leak is true.

**Drakmord**

Red Corsair wrote:
I see no restriction for ghost arks occupants from the leaked page. So I would guess you CAN put lychguard into them. The only parts missing from the transports were the capacities but I have never seen such a restriction placed there, still, COULD be a first. Still hope for that combo.

I am still disappointed that wraiths are the FA auto take again. I wanted them to remain good, but not the, your crazy not to take these fellas choice. Right now their only real competition IMHO are scoped tomb blades and the transports.

Why oh earth are heavy destroyers a on per upgrade

Destroyers seem very good to me, but I feel you on the transports. I'm kicking around the idea of Destroyers, Wraiths and a Ghost Ark taking my three FA slots.

Edit: Nevermind! Ninja'd by the light of truth.

**Anpu-adom**

They can't be reading things right. We'll still have access to the CAD, but both the Mephrit detachment and the Decurion detachment also count as battleforged.

Annihalation Nexus=
2 Annihilation Barges
1 Domsday Ark

Special Rules:
If Doomsday Ark from this formation loses it's quantum shielding, choose an annihilation barge within 6". The barge loses its quantum shielding, and the Doomsday ark gets Quantum shielding instead.

Well, that's how you stop your doomsday arc from needing to jink...

Living Tomb=
1 Obelisk
0-2 Monoloths

Special Rules: Formation must be placed in Deep Strike reserve. Do not make reserve rlls fr the Obelisk, it automatically arrives on your turn 2. Monoliths do not scatter when deep striking if placed within 12" of the Obelisk.
Immediately after a Monoloths arrives frm this formation, choose one friendly Cron unit nthat is entirely infantry or jump infantry that is in reserve. Place it as though disembarking from the Monolith's eternity gate.

Yummy, yummy... Lychguard to the face. Sad that it can't be wraiths anymore.

**Red Corsair**

BlaxicanX wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:

At least you admit it, I doubt Blaxican will though.

BlaxicanX wrote:
Kangodo wrote:
One more thing I noticed:

Models with Powers of the C'Tan can use them as a ranged weapon in the shooting phase.

Would this mean they could fire two Powers as they are MC's?
Needs to be answered ASAP. 'tis the difference between "bit of alright" and "not very good".
How's that ownage taste, Red?

Yea except that is from a day after your bitching when someone brought the point up. Nice try though.

**Wilson**

Pretty sure Necrons have just been improved massively. ( T5 Wraiths with reanimation protocols?!)

Hate the duran duran formation thingy though.

**Desubot**

Anpu-adom wrote:
They can't be reading things right. We'll still have access to the CAD, but both the Mephrit detachment and the Decurion detachment also count as battleforged.

Yep lots of different ways to build an army now.

hell you can have an inquisitorial detachment and still be battle forged with no troops.
a Combined arms detachment gives you obsec
the other ones gives you all sorts of other bonus instead.

**Red Corsair**

Requizen wrote:
King Pariah wrote:Don't recall seeing it in the thread previously and I apologize if it was already posted but anyone else notice that Rod of Convenant is no longer unwieldy in CC?

Correct. S User AP2 Two Handed Unwieldy.

buddha wrote:Wow, the tesseract vault is a mere fast attack choice. Crazy. Along with the Obelisk we have 2 superheavies in the normal dex.

He didn't say a slot. His response of "Fast Attack" was about the Ghost Ark and Night Scythe. He said Super Heavy and 550 points, which makes me think Lord of War.

Red Corsair wrote:I see no restriction for ghost arks occupants from the leaked page. So I would guess you CAN put lychguard into them. The only parts missing from the transports were the capacities but I have never seen such a restriction placed there, still, COULD be a first. Still hope for that combo.

I am still disappointed that wraiths are the FA auto take again. I wanted them to remain good, but not the, your crazy not to take these fellas choice. Right now their only real competition IMHO are scoped tomb blades and the transports.

Why oh earth are heavy destroyers a on per upgrade

The Ghost Ark leak page clearly says "Warriors and Characters only" in the bottom right.

Because Heavy Destroyers can now be taken as Heavy Support options as their own squad, if that leak is true.

Ah good catch, unfortunate about the GA. Hope you are right about the heavy destroyers being a heavy slot as well. Man tacheon arrows are way better now that OL are bs 5. Always loved those things.

**KurtAngle2**

Wilson wrote:
Pretty sure Necrons have just been improved massively. ( T5 Wraiths with reanimation protocols?!)

Hate the duran duran formation thingy though.

Wraiths never had Reanimation Protocols

**Red Corsair**

Wilson wrote:
Pretty sure Necrons have just been improved massively. ( T5 Wraiths with reanimation protocols?!)

Hate the duran duran formation thingy though.

I don't think they have RP. Or did was that leaked?

**King Pariah**

Wilson wrote:
Pretty sure Necrons have just been improved massively. ( T5 Wraiths with reanimation protocols?!)

Hate the duran duran formation thingy though.

No RP on wraiths. Just a 3++

**keltikhoa**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Yeah I'm just going to make Trazyn into a Cryptek or a Lord

thats funny as his special rule always used to do the exact opposite.

**Requizen**

Whoooooah some of those Formation bonuses are AWESOME.

Canoptek units gaining Reanimation Protocols or Shred?

Monoliths and Obelisk being a massive Alpha Strike surprise?

Destroyers and Heavy Destroyers rerolling Pen rolls?

Stalker giving Twin Linked and Shred to every unit against a single target in LOS without having to actually shoot it?

I know we're all hating on the thing but DANG SON.