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I should clarify some things about Deathmarks...ah hell I'll just post the picture:



And here's the Stalker while I'm at it, pretty significant points decrease for no real loss of utility.

That is the cost to get the Heavy Gauss Cannon? 10 points?

The formation with the Stalker is pretty sweet, 4+ FNP Praetorians are no joke.

most images have been removed from Freak Factory and Mis Valiente Guerreros Blog ...

The only real disappointing thing I've seen is the lack of 2+ saves available in the book. Aside from the 35pt nightmare shroud and some specific Special Characters, 3+ is as good as it gets.

That being said, I can see why they were reluctant. A Decurion Overlord with a phase shifter has a 3+/4++/4+++, re-rolling 1s for the Reanimation roll, putting 2+ saves on top of that might've pushed it over into "how the hell do I kill this" territory.

 Henker-Kind wrote:
This again means take the decurion or go home .... but thanks for the info dude

To be fair the Decurion is very restrictive, loses super-scoring and comes with a lot of taxes, so it would have to give good buffs to be worth the trouble.

Moreover, the fact it gives +1 to RP rolls means all your Crypteks are worth 30pts less than they cost against anything that doesn't inflict ID, which may be kind of a big deal depending on which characters have access to which wargear options (at the very least you'd be wanting them for those Chronometron invul saves).

Almost every sub-formation in the Decurion detachment has some hefty minimal model requirements that badly limit mini-maxing capabilities, which isn't something you should take lightly.

which isn't something you should take lightly.

I take everything pretty lightly.





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 Sasori wrote:
That is the cost to get the Heavy Gauss Cannon? 10 points?

The formation with the Stalker is pretty sweet, 4+ FNP Praetorians are no joke.

Yeah, and the LOS ability it unlocks for the Stalker is just awesome sauce.

I'm really, really digging the new Stalkers.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
The only real disappointing thing I've seen is the lack of 2+ saves available in the book. Aside from the 35pt nightmare shroud and some specific Special Characters, 3+ is as good as it gets.

That being said, I can see why they were reluctant. A Decurion Overlord with a phase shifter has a 3+/4++/4+++, re-rolling 1s for the Reanimation roll, putting 2+ saves on top of that might've pushed it over into "how the hell do I kill this" territory.

Yeah, I understand that as well. Factor in that you can add IWND for only 15 points as well...


It's too bad you can't take the Mephrit Dynasty formations/Artifacts in the Decurion.

 Galorian wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:
This again means take the decurion or go home .... but thanks for the info dude

To be fair the Decurion is very restrictive, loses super-scoring and comes with a lot of taxes, so it would have to give good buffs to be worth the trouble.

Moreover, the fact it gives +1 to RP rolls means all your Crypteks are worth 30pts less than they cost against anything that doesn't inflict ID, which may be kind of a big deal depending on which characters have access to which wargear options (at the very least you'd be wanting them for those Chronometron invul saves).

Almost every sub-formation in the Decurion detachment has some hefty minimal model requirements that badly limit mini-maxing capabilities, which isn't something you should take lightly.

You are right, thanks !

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
The only real disappointing thing I've seen is the lack of 2+ saves available in the book. Aside from the 35pt nightmare shroud and some specific Special Characters, 3+ is as good as it gets.

That being said, I can see why they were reluctant. A Decurion Overlord with a phase shifter has a 3+/4++/4+++, re-rolling 1s for the Reanimation roll, putting 2+ saves on top of that might've pushed it over into "how the hell do I kill this" territory.

Yeah, fair point. As it is, Zandy taken as the Decurion Overlord is pretty damn salty.


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I wonder if Warriors embarked on an Arc can benefit from the Stalker?


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Dr. D, did you happen to see the price on basic Lords? Seems to be one of the last remaining gaps in our knowledge base.

ShadarLogoth wrote:


Dr. D, did you happen to see the price on basic Lords? Seems to be one of the last remaining gaps in our knowledge base.

50 points!

New piccies from the Necron Codex. Looks purty!

I didn't read any of the fluff, but one thing I did notice was that there was tons of new art. Either that, or re-coloured art.

2nd pic yes the Lychguard and Deathmarks have been recoloured. 3rd pic with Imotekh is definitely new from the look of it.

Anyone see Maynark, the Dynasty from IA:12 on there? It'd be a nice bit of continuity if they remembered them... Especially since the Flayer Virus is basically their fault.

Can't see them. Will know once we get the codex I guess.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:


Dr. D, did you happen to see the price on basic Lords? Seems to be one of the last remaining gaps in our knowledge base.

50 points!

Hmmm....

So, for like somewhere north of 300 points, you could have the RC formation with an Olord, 3 Lords, 1 Cryptek + Chrono, all with Staves of Light (one of which is the SP relic), and as many Res Orbs as your heart desires.

Load them all up in a GA, or NS, or take the Veil. Run around and melt MEq face.

Or, like, add them all to 10 LG in an NS, cause why not? lol

So is this shaping up to be one of the best Codex updates since Space Marines?

I love that recoloured Lychguard.

I'm actually pretty excited about this release. Definitely gonna be building my Necron army.

Just realized something-

Orikan + Sv2+ character (either one of the named ones that have it or a generic one that took the Nightmare Shroud relic) = Profit.



Can you imagine that at the head of a warrior blob?

"Yes, you can shoot at my 20 warriors, but unless you flank them you're going to have to bring down 3 T5 wounds with a 2+ rerollable and a 4+ RP that rerolls 1s, and if you shoot at them with AP2 there's still a 4++ and the Warriors could always Look Out Sir! against particularly dangerous shots."

Hell, bring along a resorb to rerall ALL failed RP rolls if your enemy tries to focus fire on the unit, and if you're not running Decurion you could cough up some extra points for a second Cryptek for ID RP protection (Decurion lists already have that one covered).

Mymearan wrote:
So is this shaping up to be one of the best Codex updates since Space Marines?

It does!

But it equally introduces a very restricted alternate way of building your army with many bonusses that your CAD army will not get and vice versa a little.

 Henker-Kind wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
So is this shaping up to be one of the best Codex updates since Space Marines?

It does!

But it equally introduces a very restricted alternate way of building your army with many bonusses that your CAD army will not get and vice versa a little.

Which you don't have to use...

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
So is this shaping up to be one of the best Codex updates since Space Marines?

It does!

But it equally introduces a very restricted alternate way of building your army with many bonusses that your CAD army will not get and vice versa a little.

Which you don't have to use...

isn't that, what the word alternate indicates?

 Henker-Kind wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
So is this shaping up to be one of the best Codex updates since Space Marines?

It does!

But it equally introduces a very restricted alternate way of building your army with many bonusses that your CAD army will not get and vice versa a little.

To tell the truth when I recently contemplated the issue of how to make "fluffy" lists competitive without gimping/restricting regular listbuilding that's basically the only real solution I came up with.

It's like they read my mind...

 Henker-Kind wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
So is this shaping up to be one of the best Codex updates since Space Marines?

It does!

But it equally introduces a very restricted alternate way of building your army with many bonusses that your CAD army will not get and vice versa a little.

Which you don't have to use...

isn't that, what the word alternate indicates?

Yeah but you keep going on like you're suddenly restricted or forced to use it.

 Galorian wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
So is this shaping up to be one of the best Codex updates since Space Marines?

It does!

But it equally introduces a very restricted alternate way of building your army with many bonusses that your CAD army will not get and vice versa a little.

To tell the truth when I recently contemplated the issue of how to make "fluffy" lists competitive without gimping/restricting regular listbuilding that's basically the only real solution I came up with.

It's like they read my mind...

only problem is that we do not know how tournaments will handle it (because of competetive)


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 ImAGeek wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
So is this shaping up to be one of the best Codex updates since Space Marines?

It does!

But it equally introduces a very restricted alternate way of building your army with many bonusses that your CAD army will not get and vice versa a little.

Which you don't have to use...

isn't that, what the word alternate indicates?

Yeah but you keep going on like you're suddenly restricted or forced to use it.

no no restrictive is the decurion itself! The sentence is clear.

And yeah i simply hate the idea - let us stop spamming the thread with this discussion. I will still hate it and will keep going on in hope of others equally resenting this corporate way of controlling the player base and their purchases: man tomb blades as a must!! That is **** utter **** if you ask me: stupid looking boring sitting jet necrons, no and no!

But enough of that


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 Galorian wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
So is this shaping up to be one of the best Codex updates since Space Marines?

It does!

But it equally introduces a very restricted alternate way of building your army with many bonusses that your CAD army will not get and vice versa a little.

To tell the truth when I recently contemplated the issue of how to make "fluffy" lists competitive without gimping/restricting regular listbuilding that's basically the only real solution I came up with.

It's like they read my mind...

would be cool to me withut the tomb blades....

Scytheguard vs Shieldguard:

Assuming both have a Cryptek:

Scytheguard can shiv anything. They get 3+ 4+++, optionally 3+ 5++ 4+++ against shooting, and need S10, Force or some other version of ID to reduce that. If they're part of a Decurion and have a Cryptek, then it's straight up unlowerable 4+++.

Shieldguard only get S5 AP3, but can get 3++ 4+++. These are your Overlord's private guard, with him supplying the AP2. Don't want your Overlord in a challenge he can't win? Deny the challenge and choose the Cryptek Apothecary to go to the back of class. Overlord can still attack.

Except it isn't controlling your purchases because you don't have to use the formation. It's that easy, don't like it, don't use it.

 Henker-Kind wrote:
would be cool to me withut the tomb blades....

Hey, I already have a bunch of Tomb Blades so for me it's not much of an issue.

BTW, anyone know what their minimum unit size is now? Cause if it's still 1 I might just split my 5 Tomb Blades into 3 squads in a Decurion formation (because why the f**k not? ).

I'll need to proxy some Praetorians though, thankfully my Crypteks are mostly kitbashed warrior bodies with Staffs of the Covenant from the Lychguard/Praetorian kit and I can make more of them from the leftovers I'll have from the second kit I'm going to get with the Tomb Awakens box (which also comes with a handy Triarc Stalker to complete the formation, which is nice since I ordered it before knowing much of anything about the Decurion or the changes to the units therein), so I've pretty much got that covered.

Also have two unopened boxes of Destroyer units (so 6 Destroyers in total) and I could easily use the leftover guns from my Tomb Blades kits to turn their Gauss cannons into heavy Gauss cannons (that would look MUCH better than those flimsy finecrap ones). What's the minimal destroyer unit size now?

Diversifying my collection and lazing out on assembling my latest purchases really paid off with this update!

Even so, tomb blades are min unit size 1 and 18pts/model. You could easily convert a model that is more aesthetically pleasing if need be, and tomb blades make for fast and cheap objective campers in Maelstrom games.

How much is a warscythe this time around?