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2015/01/28 12:55:55
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Sasori wrote: I imagine we will see an Obelisk in just about every list now. It's got an insane amount of firepower and durability for it's price.
but it is not OP and (at least to me) very necrony - "in every list" though is he tournament legal? If he would shift to heavy but he is still LOW i guess.
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2015/01/28 13:02:01
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Sasori wrote: I imagine we will see an Obelisk in just about every list now. It's got an insane amount of firepower and durability for it's price.
but it is not OP and (at least to me) very necrony - "in every list" though is he tournament legal? If he would shift to heavy but he is still LOW i guess.
Hasn't it moved to heavy now? I'm sure someone said it has.... they could have been wrong though
"It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war."
2015/01/28 13:02:50
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Sasori wrote: I imagine we will see an Obelisk in just about every list now. It's got an insane amount of firepower and durability for it's price.
but it is not OP and (at least to me) very necrony - "in every list" though is he tournament legal? If he would shift to heavy but he is still LOW i guess.
Tournaments are going to be in an intreasting situation for Necrons in general, that warrants it's own topic.
It depends what you define as OP. It's incredibly Durable, and has an insane amount of firepower for 300 points.
Sasori wrote: I imagine we will see an Obelisk in just about every list now. It's got an insane amount of firepower and durability for it's price.
but it is not OP and (at least to me) very necrony - "in every list" though is he tournament legal? If he would shift to heavy but he is still LOW i guess.
Hasn't it moved to heavy now? I'm sure someone said it has.... they could have been wrong though
This has been tossed back and forth.
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2015/01/28 13:04:17
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Tournaments are going to be in an intreasting situation for Necrons in general, that warrants it's own topic.
My thoughts exactly. Although, with most tournaments already allowing Night lances and such, the units themselves really shouldn't be much of an issue. The way the Detachments work, however, will be very interesting. Can I take Decurion + a normal CAD, for instance?
(not that I ever have the money or time to play in tournaments, lol, still an interesting question).
2015/01/28 13:10:08
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
changemod wrote: Do we have confirmation you can take a Heavy Destroyer unit as Heavy Support by the way?
As far as I can tell, you can only upgrade 1 destroyer to heavy destroyer in a destroyer unit, so it doesn't seem likely. Doesn't make much sense having a heavy support unit consisting of 1 heavy destroyer, or is that just me?
Although, I do recall that jackedup guy mentioning that they were listed as both FA and HS - but keep in mind that he was not a Necron player and messed up a couple of other things (while sitting with the codex in his hands.. ehrm).
2015/01/28 13:27:34
Subject: Re:Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
changemod wrote: Do we have confirmation you can take a Heavy Destroyer unit as Heavy Support by the way?
As far as I can tell, you can only upgrade 1 destroyer to heavy destroyer in a destroyer unit, so it doesn't seem likely. Doesn't make much sense having a heavy support unit consisting of 1 heavy destroyer, or is that just me?
Although, I do recall that jackedup guy mentioning that they were listed as both FA and HS - but keep in mind that he was not a Necron player and messed up a couple of other things (while sitting with the codex in his hands.. ehrm).
Yeah, that's what I'm asking after. If they have a separate HS entry where you can take multiples of them.
2015/01/28 13:29:41
Subject: Re:Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
changemod wrote: Do we have confirmation you can take a Heavy Destroyer unit as Heavy Support by the way?
As far as I can tell, you can only upgrade 1 destroyer to heavy destroyer in a destroyer unit, so it doesn't seem likely. Doesn't make much sense having a heavy support unit consisting of 1 heavy destroyer, or is that just me?
Although, I do recall that jackedup guy mentioning that they were listed as both FA and HS - but keep in mind that he was not a Necron player and messed up a couple of other things (while sitting with the codex in his hands.. ehrm).
Yeah, that's what I'm asking after. If they have a separate HS entry where you can take multiples of them.
The Destroyer Cult formation has a unit of Heavy Destroyers in it, so it'll kind of odd for such a unit to not exist in the codex...
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2015/01/28 13:35:07
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
changemod wrote: Do we have confirmation you can take a Heavy Destroyer unit as Heavy Support by the way?
As far as I can tell, you can only upgrade 1 destroyer to heavy destroyer in a destroyer unit, so it doesn't seem likely. Doesn't make much sense having a heavy support unit consisting of 1 heavy destroyer, or is that just me?
Although, I do recall that jackedup guy mentioning that they were listed as both FA and HS - but keep in mind that he was not a Necron player and messed up a couple of other things (while sitting with the codex in his hands.. ehrm).
Yeah, that's what I'm asking after. If they have a separate HS entry where you can take multiples of them.
The Destroyer Cult formation has a unit of Heavy Destroyers in it, so it'll kind of odd for such a unit to not exist in the codex...
Well yeah, the unit exists for sure, but the question is whether or not it can be a heavy support choice?
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2015/01/28 13:49:56
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Shieldvanes are so underpriced for what they give. 2 points to take a third less wounds (or every 3 wounds getting past a 4+, 2 get past a 3+) is crazy. The decurian is also insane if it gives 4+s (which is as good as the old We'll Be Back - I guess they didn't lie). How much are SM bikes?
2015/01/28 13:57:04
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Screaming Echo wrote: Harlequins? What a wasted opportunity. You'd think we'd get more than just a new mono-pose Overlord for a Codex release...
Why? Pretty much ALL of the Necron models are new(ish) with exception to the Warriors.
Need new kits for the Destroyers (everythings mono-pose, no heavy destroyer option in the kit), Destroyer Lords need a new kit, Flayed Ones should be in plastic and Warriors need either new bases in the kit or a rework so they don't look so bad on the 25mm ones. Also would be nice to have an actual Overlord kit with all the options.
2015/01/28 14:12:45
Subject: Re:Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Screaming Echo wrote: Harlequins? What a wasted opportunity. You'd think we'd get more than just a new mono-pose Overlord for a Codex release...
Why? Pretty much ALL of the Necron models are new(ish) with exception to the Warriors.
Need new kits for the Destroyers (everythings mono-pose, no heavy destroyer option in the kit), Destroyer Lords need a new kit, Flayed Ones should be in plastic and Warriors need either new bases in the kit or a rework so they don't look so bad on the 25mm ones. Also would be nice to have an actual Overlord kit with all the options.
You know I really like the warriors on the 25mm better - is this sort of a hype going on, because it is new? I think they all look goofy on 32mm bases on the 25 they look more like they come out into reality, the base is just minimal, so the model get's all the attention the 32mm bases look like carrying your piece of earth with you I always have to smile to myself seeing models on that renewed base size really not my thing.
But that is just an opinion.
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2015/01/28 14:21:51
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
I much prefer the Warriors on the 32s. They actually fit, for one, and there's much more room to do a good base job. So no it's not just hype because it's new.
2015/01/28 14:23:21
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Jaq Draco lives wrote: So is the Tomb Blade the clear winner for most buffed unit do we think?
Depends. They're certainly one of the biggest benefitted by the RP changes and the price drop. They're strong, but in honesty were nevr bad just outclassed
In terms of most improved, that must be flayed ones or Praetorians. They've gone from joke units to formidable murder machines. The best unit is wraiths - they're just so good now, I don't even know what beats them. Can someone mathhammer 6 vs a knight?
Szeras may see more play, effectively being the only destructek left, plus buffing warriors/Immortals up and giving his passive buff. Assuming tournaments ban the super detachment (let's be honest, it looks super op) then he's a solid choice.
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ImAGeek wrote: I much prefer the Warriors on the 32s. They actually fit, for one, and there's much more room to do a good base job. So no it's not just hype because it's new.
Me too. They are a bit more stable too, which is nice.
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2015/01/28 14:26:27
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Riiiiiight. But that's not what it says. It doesn't say they aren't slowed. It doesn't say they are or aren't affected. It says "when moving treat as open ground." If I'm treating it as open ground and open ground does not reduce initiative, then my iniitiative is not lowered.
Compare that with the beasts rules (who most definitely are reduced to I1 if they charge through difficult). It says ignore movement penalties or some such. This is very different wording to anything in the past.
Different wording, same thing.
plus they still assault a unit that is IN the Terrain, and not a single thing changes that fact.
is like the fething Gravtard argument all over again...
It explicitly states to treat it as open ground, what more do you want??
Would you have liked it better if it read "remove all difficult terrain from the board whenever a Wraith squads moves and return it into place afterwards"?
No simply do it like Flip belts for Arlys, where it explicitly says they are not penalised by the terrain for their init, even though they also ignores/trait difficult terrain as open.
So tell me, why with the Arlys it is explicatly said like this, when for the Wraith it isn't?...
Simple, because Wraiths can't do it.
Yay you showed us yet another rule saying "Not slowed by"
Not slowed by does NOT equal treats as open terrain.
Open terrain does not reduce initiative
I think the point is GW is pretty specific about their wording on how you get around the initiative penalty. Regardless I'd play with them being slowed and only change my tune on that if GW said they weren't.
At first, I was completely on board with this, but then I started to look at other aspects of the Wraith rules....they are already Beasts, so they already had the "not slowed by difficult terrain", so why did they need Wraithflight if it just provides the same benefit? Since its specifically worded as "treats as open ground", and the Harlequin still uses the "not slowed by difficult terrain" wording, I'm shifting toward the more broken interpretation sadly. Now if this was intended to be used as just a part of basic movement or if the "charge move" is to be included is the real question IMO. I don't have my book with me, but I seem to remember the BRB stating a specific difference between the two. Since the codex doesn't specify, and if the BRB doesn't explicitly state charging is not moving, I'll be fine if my opponent uses the "No Initiative Penalty" interpretation if he so chooses, even though it is insanely broken.
2015/01/28 14:33:09
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Anyone know how many points the Necron boxed army "Tomb Awakened" might be? VERY tempted to look at starting a small force, but want to make sure I'm getting my money's worth since it would be funds taken away from Warmachine. It seems I always go around this when there's something new, and then write it off as lacking in value, rules or both
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2015/01/28 14:41:37
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Dr. Delorean wrote: Both exist - you can take a FA destroyer unit and upgrade one of them to a Heavy for 10pts
Or you can take Heavies themselves as HS choices, though I cannot recall their min and max unit sizes.
That makes more sense, but woah it would have been nice with some new kits. Assuming a minimum heavy destroyer unit of 3, that's £46.5... For the minimum unit!
2015/01/28 14:47:51
Subject: Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)
Screaming Echo wrote: Harlequins? What a wasted opportunity. You'd think we'd get more than just a new mono-pose Overlord for a Codex release...
Why? Pretty much ALL of the Necron models are new(ish) with exception to the Warriors.
Need new kits for the Destroyers (everythings mono-pose, no heavy destroyer option in the kit), Destroyer Lords need a new kit, Flayed Ones should be in plastic and Warriors need either new bases in the kit or a rework so they don't look so bad on the 25mm ones. Also would be nice to have an actual Overlord kit with all the options.
Destroyers- not really sure you need to fiddle with them that much IMO. Maybe more Necron bling on them. Destroyer lords are pretty easy conversion fodder so I don't have any issues there. Flayed ones- difficult to redo in plastic without a shedload of options. How many varieties of snippy claw do they really need?
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