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 Wilson wrote:

haywire counts as strength 10 vs anything with reanimation protocols.

Whut. Really?

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

haywire counts as strength 10 vs anything with reanimation protocols.

Whut. Really?

Shenanigans

So no more Phaeron upgrade. The only way to get relentless now is through formations and WL trait and/or Nemesor. Bahh not good.

Nemesor's WL trait ability starts on 2nd turn and only if he's selected as your WL. Dammit, my plans are foiled...

Can't believe Spyders and C'tan are still footslogging units (minus DS).

I'm glad I got that +1 to RP rolls thing right, not sure I could ever show my face back here if I got it wrong.

A weird change - the Tachyon Arrow is no longer Range: Infinite, it is now a measly Range: 120".

Still, it's more useful now that Overlords are BS5.

I just realized something there ... you HAVE to take at least 1 auxiliary formation!
So you cannot take only the Core, or the Core+Command, right?

Look at the leaked page, "Restrictions: The Detachment must include at least 1 Core choice. For each Core choice you must include between 1 and 10 Auxiliary choices, in any combination, and you may also include up to one Command choice. Only the datasheets found above may be included in this detachment"

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
I'm glad I got that +1 to RP rolls thing right, not sure I could ever show my face back here if I got it wrong.

A weird change - the Tachyon Arrow is no longer Range: Infinite, it is now a measly Range: 120".

Still, it's more useful now that Overlords are BS5.

Ooh, that is a lot more useful.

And aids plan shooty command barge.

 Wilson wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Wraiths being able to get a 3+ then a 4++ RP is insanely to good to not take.

Especially with T5. Nids are gonna have a hard time taking all of these buggers down.

Nothing much will change. Instead of wounding on 2s, the Flyrants will wound on 3's. Wraiths do not get RP so minimal change in tactics fighting them. Some of the other units are far more terrifying though.

Where is everyone reading the individual benefits for each formation in the Deca? Source?

I guess we are limited to 1 spyder per canoptek swarm.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
I'm glad I got that +1 to RP rolls thing right, not sure I could ever show my face back here if I got it wrong.

A weird change - the Tachyon Arrow is no longer Range: Infinite, it is now a measly Range: 120".

Still, it's more useful now that Overlords are BS5.

10 feet/3 meters isn't a great enough range for you

It takes ~60 shots from a Dakka flyrant to wipe out a single unit of wraiths. That doesn't strike me as very efficient at all, especially considering that you can get 3 units of them for less than 800 points, or take a formation and grant them a 4+ RP on top of that for the first couple of turns.

Tachyon Arrow still doesn't ignore cover lmfao

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It takes ~60 shots from a Dakka flyrant to wipe out a single unit of wraiths. That doesn't strike me as very efficient at all, especially considering that you can get 3 units of them for less than 800 points.

How many shots to wipe them out when they have Reanimation Protocol 4+?

We really need a mathammer thread.

Kind of wanna know the percentages on

Barge Lord w/ 2 +, 4++, 4++, 5++

And just how resilient Tomb Blades are with RP 4+

Along with the new Wraith Wing. T5 3+ , 4+

 MoonlightSonata wrote:
Tachyon Arrow still doesn't ignore cover lmfao

...unless ICs could get Nebulascopes.

Weird Double post.

From what I gather all those things like Nebuloscopes, Dispersion Shields etc are listed in the wargear section as fluff explanations but the actual list of purchasable items for lords and crypteks is actually quite slim and doesn't include them.

 MoonlightSonata wrote:
From what I gather all those things like Nebuloscopes, Dispersion Shields etc are listed in the wargear section as fluff explanations but the actual list of purchasable items for lords and crypteks is actually quite slim and doesn't include them.

thats really sad :/

Hollismason wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It takes ~60 shots from a Dakka flyrant to wipe out a single unit of wraiths. That doesn't strike me as very efficient at all, especially considering that you can get 3 units of them for less than 800 points.

How many shots to wipe them out when they have Reanimation Protocol 4+?

60 strength 6 shots at twin-linked BS4 puts ~12 wounds on wraiths, after armor saves.

4+ RP will save half of those, so the Wraiths will take 6 wounds- three dead.

With 4+ RP, it would therefore take ~120 shots from Flyrant(s) to kill a unit of wraiths.

6 down, 12 to go. lol

Yeah it would be nice if the leakers linked the wargear list options page with availability and pt costs...

/hint hint

I'm assuming that the new T. C'tan will invalidate the one in the escalation book?

Aside from the costs he already did

kay this is the entire wargear list:

Ranged Weapons:
Gauntlet of Fire
Tachyon Arrow

Melee Weapons:
Hyperhpase Sword
Voidblade
Warscythe

Technoarcana:
Mindshackle Scarabs
Phylactery
Ressurection Orb
Phase Shifter

Artefacts:
Solar Staff
Veil of Darkness
Gauntlet of the Conflagrator
Voidreaper
Nightmare Shroud
Orb of Eternity

That's it. The end.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Hollismason wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It takes ~60 shots from a Dakka flyrant to wipe out a single unit of wraiths. That doesn't strike me as very efficient at all, especially considering that you can get 3 units of them for less than 800 points.

How many shots to wipe them out when they have Reanimation Protocol 4+?

60 strength 6 shots at twin-linked BS4 puts ~12 wounds on wraiths, after armor saves.

4+ RP will save half of those, so the Wraiths will take 6 wounds- three dead.

With 4+ RP, it would therefore take ~120 shots from a Flyrant to kill a unit of wraiths.

So 4 Hive Tyrants could in fact shoot 80 shots and possibly kill a full unit of 6 wraiths.

Hollismason wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Hollismason wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It takes ~60 shots from a Dakka flyrant to wipe out a single unit of wraiths. That doesn't strike me as very efficient at all, especially considering that you can get 3 units of them for less than 800 points.

How many shots to wipe them out when they have Reanimation Protocol 4+?

60 strength 6 shots at twin-linked BS4 puts ~12 wounds on wraiths, after armor saves.

4+ RP will save half of those, so the Wraiths will take 6 wounds- three dead.

With 4+ RP, it would therefore take ~120 shots from a Flyrant to kill a unit of wraiths.

So 4 Hive Tyrants could in fact shoot 80 shots and possibly kill a full unit of 6 wraiths.

Well thats if a res orb doesnt get popped for a rerollable RP

Hollismason wrote:
So 4 Hive Tyrants could in fact shoot 80 shots and possibly kill a full unit of 6 wraiths.

Brain-leech devourers are assault 6. So that's 12 shots per Flyrant.

 A GumyBear wrote:
I'm assuming that the new T. C'tan will invalidate the one in the escalation book?

That's literally the only reason it's called the Tran C'tan when it's clearly just another shard.

Just costed out that 6 Wraiths + Spyder + Scarabs as 418 points, am I right? If so that is well costed for balance IMO.

 MoonlightSonata wrote:
Aside from the costs he already did

kay this is the entire wargear list:

Ranged Weapons:
Gauntlet of Fire
Tachyon Arrow

Melee Weapons:
Hyperhpase Sword
Voidblade
Warscythe

Technoarcana:
Mindshackle Scarabs
Phylactery
Ressurection Orb
Phase Shifter

Artefacts:
Solar Staff
Veil of Darkness
Gauntlet of the Conflagrator
Voidreaper
Nightmare Shroud
Orb of Eternity

That's it. The end.

This is missing the asterisks for "Can only be taken by Overlord, Destroyer Lord, Lord" or "Can only be taken by cryptek" and so forth.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
Just costed out that 6 Wraiths + Spyder + Scarabs as 418 points, am I right? If so that is well costed for balance IMO.

I got 362

6 Wraiths (252) Their 42 ppm with Whip Coils right
Tomb Spyder (50)
Scarabs (60)

Which previously for reference

6 Wraiths w/ 3 Whip Coils and a Destroyer Lord were 365 minimum

I'm pretty sure that Canoptek's don't have RP.

Hollismason wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
Just costed out that 6 Wraiths + Spyder + Scarabs as 418 points, am I right? If so that is well costed for balance IMO.

I got 362

6 Wraiths (252) Their 42 ppm with Whip Coils right
Tomb Spyder (50)
Scarabs (60)

I'll be playing it to make full use of my Scarab Farm too, so:

6 Wraiths: 258 (43ppm)
3 Spyders: 190: (3 Particle Beamers, 1 Gloom Prism)
9 Scarabs: 180

Total: 628.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
Just costed out that 6 Wraiths + Spyder + Scarabs as 418 points, am I right? If so that is well costed for balance IMO.

cut 56pts off of that.

That's *very* cheap for what you get, a T6 W3 MC with twelve wounds worth of T5 3++sv killy beasts and a screening blob that you can reinforce every turn, to say nothing of the formation benefits.