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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Ok, so calling Magnus a shut-in might have been a little hyperbolic...

As for Sanguinius' psychic abilities... the Black Rage mean anything to you? It's a direct result of his psychic death-scream embedding itself so deeply into his Legion psyche that it's in the genetic structure of the progenoid glands. He was so significantly psychic that every Blood Angel in the galaxy got caught up in his battle with the Bloodthirsters and Horus and experienced it as if they were personally there.

That's not a mark of someone with 'a little bit of foresight'.

Yeah, but that's not a psychic ability as such is it, it's a bitch of a strong bond. He couldn't summon lightning bolts or fire from his hands, or create kinetic fields or turn people into pink mush.

The first battle with Ka'Bandha was amplified by the warp magic of Kyriss using the captured Blood Angel Captain Tagas as a conduit to pass the rage through to his sons. I guess that stuck with Sanguinius after they left Signus.

To have that powerful a bond with a bunch of non-psykers, the originator has to be pretty fricken powerful himself. 40k doesn't have magic red string that connects destined partners you know...

 Furyou Miko wrote:
To have that powerful a bond with a bunch of non-psykers, the originator has to be pretty fricken powerful himself. 40k doesn't have magic red string that connects destined partners you know...

Well, they kinda do don't they, there is a direct connection to the Primarch via the Gene seeds, Sanguinius connection to his Sons was the strongest. The warp magic conducted by Kyriss used that to make the spell more effective. But ok.

 dusara217 wrote:

 chuckz1487 wrote:
thanks for contributing to this thread its been great....

i have another question id like to ask...

it seems that in 40k there are many parallels, which leads me to this question... who do you think the loyalist parallel or equivalent of magnus is...

ex. dorn-perturabo

Leman Russ was sort of like a toned-down version of Magnus. If he had landed onto Prospero instead of Magnus while Magnus landed on Fenris, then he would have probably ended up an insanely powerful Psyker and Magnus wold have ended up some kind of Rune Priest probably. In case you guys didn't know this, runecraft is an intragalactic art used by many cultures in the Galaxy since and before the Age of Strife. Its original purpose was to defend against Sorcerers and the Warp (at least for humanity). In Fallen Angels, it was revealed that the Knights of Lupus had extensive knowledge on Runecraft, which Luther used to defend against Loyalist Psykers when he first began his revolt.

Yeah, Runecraft, LOL
How did Ahriman see that Runepriest in the Great Ocean if it is truly runecraft?
How did the Thousand Son psykers discern the fact the "Thunderwolves"(I think they are named so) are actually familiars, Just like the ones the Sons use.
It's so easy to show the Wolves to be the hypocritical liars they are.

Russ was a hypocrite and a simpleton, The fact he actually bought that "Runecraft" bull shows it.

Khonsu wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 chuckz1487 wrote:
thanks for contributing to this thread its been great....

i have another question id like to ask...

it seems that in 40k there are many parallels, which leads me to this question... who do you think the loyalist parallel or equivalent of magnus is...

ex. dorn-perturabo

Leman Russ was sort of like a toned-down version of Magnus. If he had landed onto Prospero instead of Magnus while Magnus landed on Fenris, then he would have probably ended up an insanely powerful Psyker and Magnus wold have ended up some kind of Rune Priest probably. In case you guys didn't know this, runecraft is an intragalactic art used by many cultures in the Galaxy since and before the Age of Strife. Its original purpose was to defend against Sorcerers and the Warp (at least for humanity). In Fallen Angels, it was revealed that the Knights of Lupus had extensive knowledge on Runecraft, which Luther used to defend against Loyalist Psykers when he first began his revolt.

Yeah, Runecraft, LOL
How did Ahriman see that Runepriest in the Great Ocean if it is truly runecraft?
How did the Thousand Son psykers discern the fact the "Thunderwolves"(I think they are named so) are actually familiars, Just like the ones the Sons use.
It's so easy to show the Wolves to be the hypocritical liars they are.

Russ was a hypocrite and a simpleton, The fact he actually bought that "Runecraft" bull shows it.

No Primarch was a simpleton, except for maybe Angron (who was actually a fraggin' genius, only the Butcher's Nails were destroying his brain). All of the Primarchs were born military geniuses, all are hyper-intelligent. That is the way that the Emperor designed them. Most of the Primarchs maintain some delusions sub-conciously, it's just that Russ's delusions were more prominent than others.

Also, Runecraft can be used by anybody, not just Psykers. the Space Wolves' Psykers do primarily use Runecraft, because it isn't Psyker-based, but they still do use Psyker powers alongside it.


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 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Ok, so calling Magnus a shut-in might have been a little hyperbolic...

As for Sanguinius' psychic abilities... the Black Rage mean anything to you? It's a direct result of his psychic death-scream embedding itself so deeply into his Legion psyche that it's in the genetic structure of the progenoid glands. He was so significantly psychic that every Blood Angel in the galaxy got caught up in his battle with the Bloodthirsters and Horus and experienced it as if they were personally there.

That's not a mark of someone with 'a little bit of foresight'.

Yeah, but that's not a psychic ability as such is it, it's a bitch of a strong bond. He couldn't summon lightning bolts or fire from his hands, or create kinetic fields or turn people into pink mush.

The first battle with Ka'Bandha was amplified by the warp magic of Kyriss using the captured Blood Angel Captain Tagas as a conduit to pass the rage through to his sons. I guess that stuck with Sanguinius after they left Signus.

Sanguinius was never trained to use his Psychic powers like Lorgar and Magnus were. He didn't know HOW to use lightning bolts and shoot fire from his hands or turn people into mush, though he still had greater potential for it than almost all of his brothers. He just didn't know how, even though he still had massive potential for it. You never saw fulgrim using Psychic powers, until he was taught how by studying it and learning it from Daemons.

 dusara217 wrote:

Sanguinius was never trained to use his Psychic powers like Lorgar and Magnus were. He didn't know HOW to use lightning bolts and shoot fire from his hands or turn people into mush, though he still had greater potential for it than almost all of his brothers. He just didn't know how, even though he still had massive potential for it. You never saw fulgrim using Psychic powers, until he was taught how by studying it and learning it from Daemons.

Which is true, so as he hadn't tapped into his potential, he wasn't as powerful as Magnus who had trained himself how to use his powers.

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

Sanguinius was never trained to use his Psychic powers like Lorgar and Magnus were. He didn't know HOW to use lightning bolts and shoot fire from his hands or turn people into mush, though he still had greater potential for it than almost all of his brothers. He just didn't know how, even though he still had massive potential for it. You never saw fulgrim using Psychic powers, until he was taught how by studying it and learning it from Daemons.

Which is true, so as he hadn't tapped into his potential, he wasn't as powerful as Magnus who had trained himself how to use his powers.

Aye, knowledge is power, and knowledge is one thing that he lacked. At least as far as Warpcraft is concerned.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Ok, so calling Magnus a shut-in might have been a little hyperbolic...

As for Sanguinius' psychic abilities... the Black Rage mean anything to you? It's a direct result of his psychic death-scream embedding itself so deeply into his Legion psyche that it's in the genetic structure of the progenoid glands. He was so significantly psychic that every Blood Angel in the galaxy got caught up in his battle with the Bloodthirsters and Horus and experienced it as if they were personally there.

That's not a mark of someone with 'a little bit of foresight'.

But just because he left a huge psychic mark in the warp doesn't say anything about his own powers.
The "psychic scream" that was left in the warp in his wake could have just as easily been from the shock of at least a trillion humans losing Sanguinius, who many viewed as a god since the emperor wouldn't allow them to view him as such.

Also, his own powers don't reflect that he may have had a very heavy presence in the warp, even if he wasn't very psychically powerful.

Also, Miko, don't think I'm attacking you or anything even though all of my responses have coincidentally been to your posts lol

 HillyKarma wrote:

Also, Miko, don't think I'm attacking you or anything even though all of my responses have coincidentally been to your posts lol

Lies, I know you have it in for her HillyKarma

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 HillyKarma wrote:

Also, Miko, don't think I'm attacking you or anything even though all of my responses have coincidentally been to your posts lol

Lies, I know you have it in for her HillyKarma

You're right, I just made an account and decided to attack the first person with an anime profile pic I could find lol

Lol Seriously no one's going to refute his little "Runecraft" day dream?
The fact you've stated them to also use Psychic powers means they broke the Edict, Hence they are culpable just as the sons were, Case closed.

Runecraft is not psychic ability... it's sorcerous ability. The Runes themselves are writ in the languages of the Warp, which shape reality and cause psychic effects to happen (or to abjure the object bearing said rune with defenses against the Warp). The various signs of the Ruinous Powers are, likewise, Runes of power... and we are to believe that the Runepriests are somehow using something else?

Haha, no... Runes are runes are runes... and all of them are sorcerous in origin.

I don't believe that I said that the Rune Priests weren't breaking the Edict of Nikea, I was just stating the fact that the majority of their magic is not actual sorcery, it's more like wizardry. For those of you who don't know, sorcery is when you draw on the power of something else (like a daemon or other people) while wizardry is where you build something and use that for power - Runecraft being grouped among the variants of wizardry.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
An adult would have tried to find out why... and an adult would have understood that if the freaking Emperor of Mankind tells you something is a bad idea, he probably knows something you don't.

On top of that, if your military commander orders you to do something regarding your army, you an adult will obey them on principle.

"An adult is a slave."
- Furyou Miko

They all draw power from the warp, You cannot draw power from Focii, Without drawing power from the warp there is no "sorcery" and no "wizardry" - You've got it all wrong.
Besides you've stated they use some Psychic power after I said Ahriman saw that Runepriest in the warp, Meaning they broke the edict, Or how would that Rune Priest enter the warp?

Sorcery is nothing more than using the power of the warp through means other than direct psychic control.

Also, yes, by the definition of adulthood observed from the world around me, to be an adult is to be a slave to everyone who is richer and/or more powerful than you, until you have enough power or money to act like a child again... actually, that's not just personal observation, that's Marx.

HillyKarma - the genetic connection isn't magical. The only time a physical genetic connection is important is when it can be used to link things together using external magic (or sorcery, or psionics, or whatever you want to call it in context). A Blood Angel's progenoids don't decide to have a chat with a Flesh Tearer on the other side of the galaxy's progenoids and work together on a new mutation that makes their next hosts 20% crazier. You have to have a powerful enough psychic or sorcerer who can use the sympathetic connection to make it happen.

 dusara217 wrote:
I don't believe that I said that the Rune Priests weren't breaking the Edict of Nikea, I was just stating the fact that the majority of their magic is not actual sorcery, it's more like wizardry. For those of you who don't know, sorcery is when you draw on the power of something else (like a daemon or other people) while wizardry is where you build something and use that for power - Runecraft being grouped among the variants of wizardry.

In 40k's terms, wizardry and sorcery are one and the same thing. No one wields the power of the Warp without calling on it or channeling it through their mind and body, Psykers do not possess a personal reservoir of "magic juice" that exists apart from the Warp. Sorcerers/Wizards (note that the 1KS refers to many of their sorcerers as "thrall wizards") don't even have the benefit of directly translating thought into effect (like a psyker), they have to wave their hands and chant and such.

 dusara217 wrote:

Khonsu wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

 GKTiberius wrote:
That is what i am saying. Without any specific purpose, and knowing the dangers of sorcery, why would he engineer one of his sons to be a powerful psyker?

Psychic Powers and sorcery being quite different.

Psychic powers weren't banned, there were librarians and Pskers a penty during the Crusades/Heresy.

They were completely banned, I dislike people calling Sorcery "Uncontrolled Psychic usage", They've banned every Librarium.
That's the reason Garro recruited that Ultramarine Former Librarian(stated to be former) because he disgraced himself by disobeying the Emperor by using his Psychic powers to save his comrades in spite of the edict.

Besides I believe it is stated more Legions, Including the Space Wolves kept using psykers by defining them as something else and being furry hypocrites(in the case of the wolves)

The Space Wolves never used Librarians to begin with.

There's a part in thousand sons where Ahriman rips a SW Libby's soul out and screams at him for being a huge hypocrite.

All while the SW Libby explains "nos ahrimans it' is totallys the powers of the storms." Ahriman was not amused to say the least.

Space wolves have just tricked themselves into thinking it isn't sorcery.

 dusara217 wrote:
I don't believe that I said that the Rune Priests weren't breaking the Edict of Nikea, I was just stating the fact that the majority of their magic is not actual sorcery, it's more like wizardry. For those of you who don't know, sorcery is when you draw on the power of something else (like a daemon or other people) while wizardry is where you build something and use that for power - Runecraft being grouped among the variants of wizardry.

I'm sorry but I disagree with you in your beliefs -- apart from the Runes which may or may not be warp in nature, the Runepriests are psykers. They suffer peril of the warp just as any psykers would, that's a dead giveaway that they call their powers from the warp.

Space Wolves are not agnostic, they practice ancestral and animal worship, despite calling the Emperor "All-father" and honor him as a sacred ancestor for all space wolves. They can easily justify using the powers of the warp using their faith, but that doesn't mean they aren't hypocrites in this matter.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

Khonsu wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

 GKTiberius wrote:
That is what i am saying. Without any specific purpose, and knowing the dangers of sorcery, why would he engineer one of his sons to be a powerful psyker?

Psychic Powers and sorcery being quite different.

Psychic powers weren't banned, there were librarians and Pskers a penty during the Crusades/Heresy.

They were completely banned, I dislike people calling Sorcery "Uncontrolled Psychic usage", They've banned every Librarium.
That's the reason Garro recruited that Ultramarine Former Librarian(stated to be former) because he disgraced himself by disobeying the Emperor by using his Psychic powers to save his comrades in spite of the edict.

Besides I believe it is stated more Legions, Including the Space Wolves kept using psykers by defining them as something else and being furry hypocrites(in the case of the wolves)

The Space Wolves never used Librarians to begin with.

There's a part in thousand sons where Ahriman rips a SW Libby's soul out and screams at him for being a huge hypocrite.

All while the SW Libby explains "nos ahrimans it' is totallys the powers of the storms." Ahriman was not amused to say the least.


Space wolves have just tricked themselves into thinking it isn't sorcery.

He's the one I've mentioned each time in my posts in this thread.
Ahriman showed the foolish(Common Space Furry trait) wolf the truth, He had a choice whether to let that Wolf Psyker go free and explain to the rest of his beastman kin and show them the Sons are actually Loyal or kill him, Ahriman killed him.

To be fair the space wolf refused to admit he was wrong even as daemons are him.

I doubt letting him live would change much.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
To be fair the space wolf refused to admit he was wrong even as daemons are him.

I doubt letting him live would change much.

It's ironic the Space Wolf fanbase acts the same.

Not sure about ironic. Seems obvious to me.

Newsflash: the Emperor of Mankind is actually a pretty awful leader and Father. He breaks so many tenants of basic leadership. The Heresy is entirely his fault.

Wasnt Mortarion the tallest? Magnus could alter his form with his magic though. He did this quite often i believe