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 Vaktathi wrote:
In theory, that sounds good, but at the same time these are supposed to be genetically engineered, psycho indoctrinated super soldiers of unquestioning loyalty, who otherwise never seem to give much of a flying feth about others they fight alongside.

Their fluff is just way too confused and contradictory, on top of being badly written.

Space Wolves really suffer because they 'have too many hats'. They are a faction trying to be too many things at once. They are the space vikings; the space werewolves; the Emperor's executioners (or at least they used to be), they're cunning hunters; they are (despite their other hats) one of the most human space marine factions, they always look out for the underdog; but they also stick it to the man and get away with it (Inquisition); they're savage warriors who drink mead and don't take things too seriously... The list goes on.

Normally, being multi-faceted isn't an issue, but in 40K factions need to be simple. Even the Imperial factions only get so many pages of fluff in their book. Space Wolves are a victim of trying to be too many things plus bad writing... It's sad really. They could be cool, but they just aren't.

Exactly.

They have a lot of potential, but just come off as needing to be "bestest at everything", they try to be dark and brutal, but lighthearted and jovial, berzerker and werewolf, but strategic thinkers and cunning tacticians, etc. Many of these are directly contradictory, and it's all wrapped up in absolutely atrocious writing and model releases.

They really just do read like a bad internet fanfic.

lol, so much hatred for the Space Wolves

All I can say is: You mad, bro?



Yeah I know some of it is a bit ridiculous, but it's 40K !! It's ALL ridiculous!

Personally, I love the Wolves - always have, always will

I also have some of the original, metal Grey Knight Terminators, but ever since they got a codex they've been super douchy.... so I'm saying they're the worst



Some other points have been valid though...
-White scars are boring
-Dark Angels models with the robes were always nice, but the death wing termies always looked rubbish. The flying stone shrine is stupid
-I actually really like a lot about Ultramarines... but Tac squads are crap. Take the most expensive, heavily armoured, highly trained, super human soldier in the universe, and then give him an ordinary rifle as his only weapon!!!????
Back in 2nd ed they cost 3x as much as an ork boy, but were worse in melee.
Hasn't gotten much better

Without a doubt, the Minotaurs.

Dang it. UM caught up to SW?! Folks, read Abnett's UM or some of GM's... but not MWard! Don't hang that fluff anchor on our necks.

Here's about 70% of my UM force. http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-44276-29881_A%20Um%20Heavily%20Reinforced%20Battle%20Company%2C%20Done%21.html

I will say, running straight UM forces used to be a ton of fun. People always assumed I was some newb and did dumb crap because they weren't being careful. Now the locals know me a little too well, and being a 35yo ex-football player doesn't project the "newb" vibe anymore.

After the Inq decided to start purging everyone that fought on Armageddon because "THIS MUST BE A SECRET! SSSSHHHHHH", Space Wolves were the ones who said "Da feth you doing, bro?!" and protected as many as they could from the claws of the Inquisition and the GK.

Seriously, Inquisition is necessary and those who are good on the job are the best characters ever, but most of them just seem to be power-hungry bastards.

And in doing so, the Wolves got more people killed than would have been purged, and this was before the war above Fenris, and ended up saving literally no one from Armageddon. So not only did they betray the organization that the Emperor put together to do exactly what it did, they failed to save anyone they wanted to save. Mainly because they are idiots.

The Wolves may be idiots, but they are the Emprah's special snowflakes.

Can I change my vote to GK's? I just looked through their old dex. The fluff reads like it was written by a twelve year old.

Correction. Nine year old. It goes beyond Mary Sue and became something else entirely. Ludicrous speed perhaps.


Favorite chapter.
Marines Malevolent. Those guys are just ____. (rude word for jerks.)

 brendan wrote:
Without a doubt, the Minotaurs.

What's to hate? Sure they get the best of all the toys. Sure they are in the pocket of the HLoT. Sure they specialize in taking down other space marines. But at least they aren't Ultramarines!

GKs are my number 2 choice. I don't know if their new book is any better, but I'm still butthurt from 5th.

Martel732 wrote:
GKs are my number 2 choice. I don't know if their new book is any better, but I'm still butthurt from 5th.

I can never take them seriously again. Not after 5th.

Salamanders!

Because they care too much about the people and not enough about CRUSHING THE ENEMY!

Also, green is for Orks....not marines.

 Psienesis wrote:

After the Inq decided to start purging everyone that fought on Armageddon because "THIS MUST BE A SECRET! SSSSHHHHHH", Space Wolves were the ones who said "Da feth you doing, bro?!" and protected as many as they could from the claws of the Inquisition and the GK.

Seriously, Inquisition is necessary and those who are good on the job are the best characters ever, but most of them just seem to be power-hungry bastards.

And in doing so, the Wolves got more people killed than would have been purged, and this was before the war above Fenris, and ended up saving literally no one from Armageddon. So not only did they betray the organization that the Emperor put together to do exactly what it did, they failed to save anyone they wanted to save. Mainly because they are idiots.

"It's the thought that counts"?