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 jah-joshua wrote:
@Davor: why do you not like resin???
it hold crisp detail better than any other material...
it also takes undercuts better than plastic...
just curious as to why you don't like it...

Have to agree here. Plastic has its place, but resin is a fine substitute for metal for highly detailed models. It really just depends who is producing it.

 jah-joshua wrote:
also, do you paint models???
saying that X-Wing is more attractive because it is preassembled and prepainted, well, it kind of defeats the whole purpose of painting and modeling...
this is why i have zero interest in X-Wing minis, but am stoked about these ones...

it constantly amazes me that there are so many people out there seem who to have no interest in the creative side of painting and modeling, yet still want to play with miniatures...

To be fair, the reverse can be said. I see people who only partake in the creative side, and not the social gaming side, and I just don't understand it.

But it's a multifaceted hobby. Some like certain aspects far more than others. I won't begrudge those that don't like to paint just as I won't begrudge those who don't like to game.

@Loki: i am not begruding anyone...
did my post seem judgmental, instead of curious???

i am just curious what Davor's reasoning is behind prefering prepainted models over models that need assembly...
for example, i don't game because i would rather spend that time perfecting my painting...
i paint because i like to bring the fiction to life in mini form...

what is it that you don't understand about someone wanting to paint, but not play???
i can still go hangout at the shop with my friends, and paint while they play, thus still having the social aspect...

i like what Hawk are doing, in this scale, because you can get the impression of massive ships and walkers, or battles, in less space than 28mm...
smaller scales have more appeal for dioramas, to me...
i also like that resin holds detail that is even that little bit more crisp than metal...
personally, cost is less of a factor, than a cool look, and quality casts...

cheers
jah

I'm a gamer not a painter. Most of my stuff is painted but if I had the option for buying prepainted I probably would.

I just don't enjoy painting that much and would rather spend my time perfecting my play style and I sometimes find it a struggle to get to my painting table.

I take as many shortcuts as I can when it comes to painting, so I can get them to the tabletop quicker, for example my UCM (not finished) is airbrushed metro camo then dipped.

Painting also fights for time in my very busy schedule. I also have a friend that HATES painting and another who all he does is paint and is not to fond of gaming. As was mentioned there are many sides to this hobby and not all of them need to be liked. You yourself said you don't really game but would rather paint and I understand this but also find this very strange.


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As for the price of the models, I was put of of the game for a long time because of it but when they released the absolutely fantastic deal that is the 2 player starter set (I bought 2!) I dived right in and now think the price isn't to bad because the game is very good, all they needed was a cheaper entry point for the game and the starter set did this lovely, which also funnily enough shows that the HIPS can hold the detail just as well as resin and is MUCH cheaper.

@overtyrant: well, painting IS my job...

it is not even as moderate as i "don't really game"...
i never play any boardgames, or tabletop mini games...
that is time taken away from my painting...
if i'm not painting, i'm surfing or chasing women...

i am loving the quality of Hawk's casts...
some of these sculpts look like they would be fun for painting contest...
unfortunately, my schedule is way too booked to have any time to try my hand at one of these ships, and a few walkers...

i am thinking of getting the rulebook to check out the setting...
is there much fiction in the book???

i really want to support this company, because i totally respect how much work one guy put into realizing his dream...
it's nice to see how he has succeeded, so far...

cheers
jah

The type of resin used in the Hawk models (at least resistance, which I picked up) is of incredible detail and effectively zero mold lines that are not trivial to clean.
Honestly, you can treat it as plastic, just easier to assemble and capable of far more detail. I've had a minor bit of warping with one cannon barrel, but that bent back into place with hot water just fine.

Some earlier runs I understand may have had a few lines though.

The game's surprisingly subtle, but it's hard to get that in a starter box game. A full sized game at 1500 pts though really makes it a 'skill' game instead of a beer and pretzels variance game, especially the way objectives work.

As for fluff and fiction, the main rulebook is pretty much just setting the actors: Who each faction is, what they do, what kind of tech they use. It's very realistic in terms of why the models are designed the way they are (ie, why would you make a tank that shape? What do each of these weird greebles that reappear all over the faction do? etc).

In the 1st expansion book is most of the 'current' setting fluff, mostly about the human re-invasion of their conquered home planets, largely from the perspective of the UCM.

 jah-joshua wrote:
@Davor: why do you not like resin???
it hold crisp detail better than any other material...
it also takes undercuts better than plastic...
just curious as to why you don't like it...

also, do you paint models???
saying that X-Wing is more attractive because it is preassembled and prepainted, well, it kind of defeats the whole purpose of painting and modeling...
this is why i have zero interest in X-Wing minis, but am stoked about these ones...

it constantly amazes me that there are so many people out there seem who to have no interest in the creative side of painting and modeling, yet still want to play with miniatures...

cheers
jah

I suck at modelling. For what ever reason I can't glue the blasted thing. Plastics I have a so much easier time so I enjoy it more. I guess that is why my boxset and resistance is not put together yet and I don't buy more. I don't like working with resign. Maybe because I don't know how to. Maybe I am not the only one. If I am then it's a moot point. If I am not, then that could be an explanation as to why there is not lots of sales. I guess you can go GW way and say, "This is what we make, You buy IT!". Or you can ask "Why are we not selling much? What will it take to sell more product? Could it be people don't like resin even though it's a superior product detail wise? Do we need to change to plastics to get more sales?"

Now that I see HW has plastics now, it seems they are trying to appeal to the people who like plastics as well.

As for painting yes I do. I suck at it but still do it. I just mention the X-Wing because for the price, it's so much cheaper to do that. It's a price comparison. You get so much more money wise.

As to the creative side, that is why I have come back to miniature gaming, be it X-wing, 40K, or Dropzone. I want to reinvigorate my creative side again. So that is why I am slowly coming back to everything I can find. Money wise, it just means I have to save more if expensive.

I guess I am playing devils advocate here. It didn't hit me until I had to buy some Skylanders for my wife and kids. I really felt like an idiot. Why? Because she is paying $15-$30 for a fully painted mini. She didn't have to cut it off the sprue. She didn't have to take mold lines off. She didn't even have to assemble and paint it. All for $30. What do I do? I have to pay almost twice that much. I have to cut of the sprue, take mold lines off, assemble it and paint it. So who is the smart one when it comes to money wise for entertainment? LOL

Then it hit me. I like to assemble. I like to paint. Even though I suck at it, I like doing it. I just wish it wasn't so expensive lol. But my point stands though. When it comes to resin, I am not good at it. I don't want to keep paying the high prices for resin to practice to become good at it and there that is where it stops for me. I love the quality of resin. Really looks sharp and clear. Thing is I don't know how to use it properly and not willing to practice with it no more. When I see plastics so much cheaper, I want to go that way. At least for me when I practice with plastics it's more affordable to practice with.

I guess if I was good at painting and modelling as you and a lot of others my opinion would be different. But I am not and just more comfortable with what I can work with.

I enjoy both depending on my mood for the month or season (I've been in a bit of a hobby funk recently where I like to assemble and convert models but painting them is something I'm not motivated to do). I think it's perfectly fine for someone to only enjoy part of it AS LONG AS THEY DON'T TRY TO CLAIM THAT THE PARTS THEY'RE IGNORING ARE INSIGNIFICANT.

I put that in all caps because I feel strongly about that. I've seen douchebags on both sides claim that you're not a real gamer if you don't paint your models and lazy idiots who choose not to paint claim that they should get a free pass for skipping it at comprehensive events that score on the entirety of the hobby. If you enjoy one and not the other, power to you and I hope you have a blast doing whatever part of the overall hobby you enjoy most... just don't try to put someone down for enjoying the other or dismiss other's efforts while you ignoring an integral part of the hobby. Painting and playing are both basically ends of a photoshop slider bar for the hobby and where you end up is unique to you. Some folks go all the way to the left and only game... but that doesn't mean that the right side painting goes away (the opposite is also try). Others are smack dab in the middle. To each his or her own.

edit: The above rant isn't in regards to any posts here in the thread but rather a general release on my part to other events elsewhere. In particular, a guy who never planned on attending adepticon was railing that legions of folks who spent $$$ to get their armies propainted for an event and lost every game were going to steal the only award away from folks who won every game but didn't paint their armies. I know... internet fanboy rage hyperbole but as an official demo rep for the company, his "voice" was heard regardless of how ignorant of the realities of adepticon style comprehensive scoring. In the end, I'll give the company credit that they didn't just do what he wanted but instead expanded the awards from a single overall winner to multiple winners in each field but the ridiculously unrealistic opinions expressed in that forum struck a nerve with me.

@Davor: thanks for sharing your viewpoint...
i love plastics, too...
not so much because they are cheaper, but because they are so durable...
i am always bummed when i open a new resin or metal mini, and it has a broken bit:(...

@warboss: i hear you, man...
that is why i always show respect to others' views, and say that something is my opinion...
i am not a fan of people telling others that they are having fun in the wrong way...
it really kills me when people say that painting and modeling is a "waste of time"...
it sucks to think that some people would see me trying to be one of the best painters in the world as a wasted effort, when it is my passion...
i don't talk about what i do because i am conceited, or think that my way is the only right way, but because i am not here to judge, so can only speak from my perspective...

anyway, i guess i should start a discussion topic, so as not to derail this thread any further...

cheers
jah

Anybody know what the Canadian prices will be by chance?

Is it just me, or do the cannons on the Oppressor seem incredibly large?

 Thokt wrote:
Is it just me, or do the cannons on the Oppressor seem incredibly large?

All the better to oppress you with

Just spent a pretty penny on some dropzone stuff

interested in seeing the quality first hand.

Stuff looks great online.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Just spent a pretty penny on some dropzone stuff

interested in seeing the quality first hand.

Stuff looks great online.

You won't be dissapointed!!

overtyrant wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
Just spent a pretty penny on some dropzone stuff

interested in seeing the quality first hand.

Stuff looks great online.

You won't be dissapointed!!

+1

Has anyone got the little Resistance biker dudes yet and can attest to the sculpts?

Thought the 3D renders for those looked really cool.

 Pacific wrote:
Has anyone got the little Resistance biker dudes yet and can attest to the sculpts?

Thought the 3D renders for those looked really cool.

They are insane, i never thought detail like that was possible at this scale.

The new commanders are now available. Their rules are also up at the website:

http://www.hawkwargames.com/collections/new-standard-commanders

First shots of the minis for Dropfleet

Those Dropfleet ships are quite lovely, my brain may explode between these and the Halo:Fleet Battles reveals today!

More photos at: https://twitter.com/OBDZC

Those ships look really detailed. I assume they are UCM.

Nice find, Dravis!

Copying some of them over:






They also have the very large scale model done, I'm sure that's really attention grabbing at the con

I also spotted this picture posted by Golem Gary. I am loving the look of these models.

Gotta say... those ships look pretty cool in both scales. For those who didn't see it last year, the really big 6ft ship is actually the smallest size UCM ship from the space combat game and is in DZC 10mm scale. The tiny ports on the side actually have a DZC dropship in each ready to launch!

Despite being a big Halo fan, I think I'm more excited about seeing this come to the table than the other bigger name game.

Those ships are cool as feth.

I knew they would turn out good, but that... is incredibly good.

FFS, I was already struggling with investing in Armada or waiting for Halo, and now this?!!

Super awesome

Can't wait to see the other factions!

I like the aesthetics of the ships more than the ground battles.

I wonder if the scourge ships will also see a jump in design.

 Azreal13 wrote:
FFS, I was already struggling with investing in Armada or waiting for Halo, and now this?!!

It gets worse... I just found this over on BOW... Battlestar Galactica space combat game. Seriously, wtf?? Was there an industry wide memo that 2015 would be the year of space combat? Lol.



I guess GW will hitch onto the bandwagon when it cools down in 2 years with dreadfleet in space (or a really crappy half assed BFG rerelease).

Yep, those models look a bajlllion times better than the DZC models by far. When I first heard they were doing a space combat game I pretty much rule out if I would play it based on the model quality of DZC, will have to actually keep an eye on this one now.