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With the new Formation and Relics that give the C'tan some options I was wondering what people are coming up with for new combos (in particular better costed ones).

Currently I am thinking of running the following.

C'tan + 2 Cryptic Formation

C'tan - Swarm of Spirit Dust - Gaze of Death - (255)
Harbinger of Eternity - Chronometron - The God Shackle (50)
Harbringer of Despair - Veil of Darkness (55)

Expensive (360), but a deepstriking, rerolling (especially for the deepstrike), T/S 8, FNP, wound regaining shard of a old god with personal issues.

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For cost Spirit Dust + Psyshards may be better, also replacing the HoE for a cheaper base Cryptek who I can use to tank a wound...

Well, Necron Codex is coming in January. It will be interesting to see how C'Tans change.

In all honesty unless they overhaul the basic ctan shard's abilities to be less situational the formation wont really improve the idea of bringing a basic shard.

Turn one deep striking a Pyreshards and Transdimensional Thunderbolt with a Despairtek with Veil and Stormtek with Lightning Field is frankly amazing.

Just make sure to give the God Shackle to a Cryptek who's not part of the formation so you can hide him in a unit and not lose it from being shot from the right angle.

What book is this from?

 DarknessEternal wrote:
What book is this from?

Shield of Baal: Exterminatus

And I came up with the almost exact same set up as the OP for the unit, except that I took a transdimensional thunderbolt instead of gaze of death, with the chronometron the bolt is quite reliable and allows the unit to do something other than run in the shooting phase. The VoD is pretty much mandatory since it makes the C'tan so much faster.

Of course they will make the C'tan awesome in the new book. They weren't popular in the current one and noone bought any. So they are going to make them awesome so that they can sell out the stock they have.

Wouldn't Gaze of Death hurt the two Crypteks he's with?
(Affects enemy and friendly models, after all)

They will be T8 so the gaze wont hurt them.

Uh, no, the formation rules explicitly state they only use the C'tan's toughness when the opponent is wounding them. If you end up wounding yourself, they're still just T4.

Why Spirit Dust? Isn't it just stealth and defensive grenades? Still won't be better then the 4++ in most cases.

I would do Thunderbolt+Sentient Singularity (particularly with the Chrono).

I have a good feeling that Ctan shard's will become cheaper also...

I'd take a ranged set up.
the c'tan with thunderbolt and spirit dust for a assault lascannon the dust for stealth plus you can throw defencive nades now and possibly blind an incoming assault on yourself or friends. The teks would be a lightning field storm tek to protect the unut and discourage deep strikers the other a lance tek.
The artifact goes on a tek hiding at the back somewhere out of the way.
Place the unit central on the field to add fire support and counter assault, all the while being a bitch to shift.

 skoffs wrote:
Uh, no, the formation rules explicitly state they only use the C'tan's toughness when the opponent is wounding them. If you end up wounding yourself, they're still just T4.

Missed that part ><

So Lascannon/Spirit Dust seems to be the winner.

Spirit dust seems a pointless pointsink. It only really works for anything useful if you intend to camp your lethal, expensive monstrous creature in ruins.

I mean, it combos passably well with the Orikan/C'tan combo because it makes the terrain dangerous in the process, but next to worthless here.

Deep strike him across the board turn one, pair him with a haywire stick and a lightning field and take two shooty powers is pretty much the ideal setup. Solves mobility, which was the key C'tan weakness before. Lets you output a lot of damage on the turn he strikes, which is good because holy hell is this a fire magnet.

Positioning on arrival is key: Stick him where he pops something vital then fire magnets a bit without actually being visible to the entire enemy army.

Like I said before, I don't much see the point for Spirit Dust.

I do agree with the Bolt being a solid choice though, while I remain a bit undecided on the second power.

I'm really liking the idea of a Bolt with double Haywire in a DoubleMono list. By turn three you basically cover the board in BS 5 S 9 AP 2 + 8 Haywire death range, all coming from a 6ish wound T8 4++ 5+ fnp monster. I dig that.

Because of the way I'm using him I'm consider LoF to keep him cheap, although I've played around with lists using both WW and GI. Also Times Arrow is pretty tempting, with the amount of MCs and high value CC targets rolling around.

Of course, you can't generally go wrong with a second gun like Pyreshards, which is tempting. It obviously doesn't jive with killing any of the vehicles you want to be pointing that thing at, but it's a reasonable upgrade to it's Anti Inf if you end up having to use it for such. With Pyreshads the Bolt and double Haywire (which is still 4 shot S5 against infantry) the C'tan ends up being reasonable at that roll (Almost exactly 3 MEq out of cover).

Convenient is that A thunderbolt/Pyreshards C'tan with a veil/godshackle Cryptek and a lightning field Cryptek comes to exactly 350, so it's easy to work out if it'll drop into a list quickly.

By having both Pyreshards and Transdimensional Thunderbolt gives him the ability to be a big threat to both vehicles and hordes.

Normally you can only move the C'tan 6" so hes rather stationary, however, the Despairtek solves that problem giving him the ability to Deep Strike where he can do the most harm.

With both the Lightning Field and the Abyssal Staff, attempting to charge him is a big risk to get murdered, not even taking into account the rest of the Overwatch and him just punching you if you do survive the Overwatch and Lighting Field..

 Nilok wrote:
By having both Pyreshards and Transdimensional Thunderbolt gives him the ability to be a big threat to both vehicles and hordes.

Normally you can only move the C'tan 6" so hes rather stationary, however, the Despairtek solves that problem giving him the ability to Deep Strike where he can do the most harm.

With both the Lightning Field and the Abyssal Staff, attempting to charge him is a big risk to get murdered, not even taking into account the rest of the Overwatch and him just punching you if you do survive the Overwatch and Lighting Field..

There is no doubt in my mind that the Cryptek that makes the formation playable is the Veiltek that grants deep striking each turn. Without the hyper mobility of deep striking each turn the whole thing is meh. With deep striking each turn the unit becomes a force that can disrupt backfields, hit weak angles, and secure remote objectives.

Making the second Cryptek a storm tek is just the most lethality overall for the buck. Four S5 haywire shots in 7th edition that is all about troops and transports is huge. Imagine deep striking to get around the shields of an Adamantine Lance Formation to score solid haywire hits and you will see the tactical potency of this unit.

I was thinking more of a melee set-up.
DespairTek with Shackle and Veil.
Eternity with Timesplinter Cloak and Chronometron.

I would love to put a Thermasite on that second Cryptek, just to have a T8-model with 3++ that re-rolls 1 to tank nearly everything I can think of. It just seems so expensive!
After a safe Deep Strike he could even use his Chronometron to re-roll that 2.

If I'm going to be Deep Striking my C'tan, he must surely get his Lord of Fire-power.
Perhaps Pyreshards to clear out hordes?

I would love to put a Thermasite on that second Cryptek, just to have a T8-model with 3++ that re-rolls 1 to tank nearly everything I can think of. It just seems so expensive!

That's...interesting. 95 points to effectively give the C'Tan a pimped out Shaddow Field.


Edit to add: Also makes THE BEST CC WEAPON IN THE GAME S5 lol.

Skullhammer wrote:
and spirit dust for a assault lascannon the dust for stealth plus you can throw defensive nades now and possibly blind an incoming assault on yourself or friends.

That's not the way SoSD works. Just because you have defensive grenades doesn't mean you have blind grenades. All it means is that your opponent doesn't get the bonus charge attack. If you look at the Vindicare assassin entry, it makes the distinction.

Actually it is check page 180 of the rules if you have defencive nades you can throw one whitch has the blind rule. And get the other benifits.

What about this for a more melee MC hunter type C'tan?

For a melee C'tan set it up with the Entropic strike power and time's arrow. For the crypteks two Harbringers of eternity both with time splinter cloak and Chronometron with one cryptek with the solar thermite. Replace with a Despairtek to move around easier if needed. the crypteks bring the 1-2 punch around with their Aeonstaves that no longer need to worry about armor saves. once the C'tan lands his blows and does a wound (if he doesn't kill something) AEonstaves now have a MUCH better chance at wounding (with a possible re-roll of course) which will lower the amorless model's following stats to 1: WS, BS(won't live to much longer to use this anyway), INITIATIVE and Attacks. The Initiative is in caps because of the c'tans second power Time's Arrow: Save or Die on a 1 good luck. Great for MC hunting or anything else really tough. With one of the crypteks attacking with S5 with possible re-roll makes it a solid chance to land it's wound. For more moveability switch one out with a HOD with veil of darkness for taxi service to get them into range (and on a very small foot print) with a nice s8 ap1 flamer wounding on leadership.

Thoughts?

Edit: Well reading the last few post I see this has already been pointed out, but I'll leave this here for a more detailed xplanation i guess