Two NY police officers shot execution style--revenge shooting for Mike Brown/Garner

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**Relapse**

feeder wrote:
Hordini wrote:
feeder wrote:
For something to be irrational, it has to be without reason. Do you believe that impoverished blacks have no reason to hate the police?

I don't think anyone has a reason to hate all police. Some people have reasons to hate some police, and some reasons are even valid, but I don't consider a hatred of all police to be anything approaching rational. By the standard you're offering, you could claim that racism is rational as long as there is a reason for it, regardless of whether or not that reason is valid.

Do you believe impoverished blacks have no valid reason to hate police? I'm not trying to bait you into some silly "gotcha!" point scoring trap here, I am genuinely interested.

Personally, I can understand why there is so much hate on both sides here.

There's always reason to bad feeling on both sides. I have nothing but contempt for the police who were captured on video murdering Kelly Thompson
as he first said he couldn't breath, then after being continually tased and beaten, went unconscious yelling for his father. The bastards got off Scott free. I also think that Brown was a thief and bully and brought about his own demise by acting as such.

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ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Hordini wrote:
ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Then do you remember when two people from his posse ambushed some cops at a CiCi's Pizza in Las Vegas and killed them?

To be fair, those two weren't really part of Bundy's "posse." They were specifically asked to leave a few days after they showed up because they were "too radical" (read: nuts).
I know, and yet that doesn't stop some people here from lumping this donkey-cave that shot two cops in with the rest of the people who are protesting police brutality.

Funny how that works, huh?

Relapse wrote:

I thought he was a wrong, also, and said so. What I hated was what I was hearing about the way family there said the feds were treating people
and affecting the living of the area. I did think about that as I was making my comments here. No way do I think anyone who guns down a cop as a hero.
The point is people, motivated by the divisive rhetoric coming from Bundy and many of the pundits and politicians that supported him, committed a heinous crime. However, you are able to remove yourself from them because it's inconvenient to have that crime as a tally mark on your "side," which is fair enough because I know you don't agree with their actions. Yet your first response here is questioning whether or not this person would be "hailed as a hero" because of all of the "'kill the cops' rhetoric in the protests" (also, I'm not exactly sure where that information is coming from so please feel free to enlighten us) coming from "them," because in your eyes, all the people protesting police brutality would obviously be thrilled that two innocent police officers were gunned down.

What I am getting at is that it is possible to agree with the protesters in this case that police brutality is wrong but gunning cops down isn't the way to fix it, just like it was that feeling that Bundy was innocent and the Feds were in the wrong yet gunning cops down wasn't the way to fix it. Do you not see a similar set of circumstances here?

I see what you're getting at, but for myself, I say Bundy was wrong and I was worried about my family down there getting caught in something nasty.

**Hordini**

feeder wrote:
Hordini wrote:
feeder wrote:
For something to be irrational, it has to be without reason. Do you believe that impoverished blacks have no reason to hate the police?

I don't think anyone has a reason to hate all police. Some people have reasons to hate some police, and some reasons are even valid, but I don't consider a hatred of all police to be anything approaching rational. By the standard you're offering, you could claim that racism is rational as long as there is a reason for it, regardless of whether or not that reason is valid.

Do you believe impoverished blacks have no valid reason to hate police? I'm not trying to bait you into some silly "gotcha!" point scoring trap here, I am genuinely interested.

Personally, I can understand why there is so much hate on both sides here.

I already said that some people have reasons to hate some police, and that some of those reasons are valid, but that I don't think anyone has a valid reason to hate all police. I'm not trying to dodge your question, I'm just not sure what you really want me to say if that doesn't answer your question sufficiently.

**Ensis Ferrae**

To those asking whether people would come out and call the cops' killer a hero.... Apparently "The Game" (some rapper or other, I don't know, and don't fething care) started up a gak storm online by expressing basically that sentiment.

**Hordini**

This is from the Blaze. Take it as you will.

**Relapse**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
To those asking whether people would come out and call the cops' killer a hero.... Apparently "The Game" (some rapper or other, I don't know, and don't fething care) started up a gak storm online by expressing basically that sentiment.

Yep, I saw that, also. I figure it's predictable from someone like him in order to generate sales. Even now, he's probably crapping out a song in celebration, to be released next album.

**Jihadin**

d-usa wrote:
Surely nobody on either side would ever make statements such as "justice was served", "he deserved that", "good riddance" or any other statement like that following the death of another human being and celebrate said death as a "good thing"...

Concerning the two LEO that got opted out right? ISIS/AQ/Taliban/other brand of extremist groups are the exemption right?

For I have no qualms, notionally, executing the ones that rampage in the Pakistan school

**feeder**

Hordini wrote:

I already said that some people have reasons to hate some police, and that some of those reasons are valid, but that I don't think anyone has a valid reason to hate all police. I'm not trying to dodge your question, I'm just not sure what you really want me to say if that doesn't answer your question sufficiently.

Ok, I see. You're right, of course. Just because someone wears the uniform doesn't mean he is a d-bag that abuses his power.

But if I grew up in an area where my every interaction with the police was hostile at best and downright violent at worst, I would quickly learn to hate and fear the uniform, and not think about the man wearing it. I would hate and fear all police, and with valid reason.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

The Blaze wrote:a number of Twitter users celebrated the double murder

And according to their story, that number would be ten. Ten Twitter trolls...

JOURNALISM HOOOO!

**d-usa**

Some other public comments:

Brown's family released a statement Saturday saying it "condemns today's senseless killing of two NYPD officers." "We reject any kind of violence directed toward members of law enforcement," the statement said. "It cannot be tolerated. We must work together to bring peace to our communities."

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder called the deadly ambush "an unspeakable act of barbarism."

The Rev. Al Sharpton, who has led protests over the deaths of Brown and Garner, denounced the officers' killings. "I have spoken to the Garner family and we are outraged by the early reports of the police killed in Brooklyn today," Sharpton said in a statement. "Any use of the names of Eric Garner and Michael Brown, in connection with any violence or killing of police, is reprehensible and against the pursuit of justice in both cases."

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ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
The Blaze wrote:a number of Twitter users celebrated the double murder

And according to their story, that number would be ten.

Their story checks out. My panel of experts has confirmed that ten is indeed a number.

Back to you Scooty.

**Relapse**

feeder wrote:
Hordini wrote:
feeder wrote:

I already said that some people have reasons to hate some police, and that some of those reasons are valid, but that I don't think anyone has a valid reason to hate all police. I'm not trying to dodge your question, I'm just not sure what you really want me to say if that doesn't answer your question sufficiently.

Ok, I see. You're right, of course. Just because someone wears the uniform doesn't mean he is a d-bag that abuses his power.

But if I grew up in an area where my every interaction with the police was hostile at best and downright violent at worst, I would quickly learn to hate and fear the uniform, and not think about the man wearing it. I would hate and fear all police, and with valid reason.

What do you define as hostile?

**feeder**

Relapse wrote:

What do you define as hostile?

The kind of interaction that feels hostile. I don't know if I can give a textbook definition. You must know the difference between a hostile encounter and a cordial one.

**Hordini**

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
The Blaze wrote:a number of Twitter users celebrated the double murder

And according to their story, that number would be ten. Ten Twitter trolls...

JOURNALISM HOOOO!

It's still just the first day. I'm sure more will pop up.

**Relapse**

feeder wrote:
Relapse wrote:

What do you define as hostile?

The kind of interaction that feels hostile. I don't know if I can give a textbook definition. You must know the difference between a hostile encounter and a cordial one.

I just wanted to make sure what you meant.

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ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
The Blaze wrote:a number of Twitter users celebrated the double murder

And according to their story, that number would be ten. Ten Twitter trolls...

JOURNALISM HOOOO!

Not Lionel too! Noooooo!

**ScootyPuffJunior**

d-usa wrote:

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
The Blaze wrote:a number of Twitter users celebrated the double murder

And according to their story, that number would be ten.

Their story checks out. My panel of experts has confirmed that ten is indeed a number.

Back to you Scooty.

Also, all of those tweets were drudgeded up by one person, @LiLMissRightie.

I'm pretty confident that she's the paragon of hard-hiting investigative journalism.

**d-usa**

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
d-usa wrote:

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
The Blaze wrote:a number of Twitter users celebrated the double murder

And according to their story, that number would be ten.

Their story checks out. My panel of experts has confirmed that ten is indeed a number.

Back to you Scooty.
Also, all of those tweets were drudgeded up by one person, @LiLMissRightie.

I'm pretty confident that she's the paragon of hard-hiting investigative journalism.

She's got credentials though, just look at her judicious use of capitalization in that Twitter handle.

That points towards college education right there!

**Hordini**

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
d-usa wrote:

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
The Blaze wrote:a number of Twitter users celebrated the double murder

And according to their story, that number would be ten.

Their story checks out. My panel of experts has confirmed that ten is indeed a number.

Back to you Scooty.
Also, all of those tweets were drudgeded up by one person, @LiLMissRightie.

I'm pretty confident that she's the paragon of hard-hiting investigative journalism.

I guess that means those Tweets don't count then. I'm sorry I mentioned it.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Hordini wrote:

I guess that means those Tweets don't count then. I'm sorry I mentioned it.

No, but to quote you:

Hordini wrote:
This is from the Blaze. Take it as you will.

So I'm taking it as I will: with a massive boulder of sodium clohride.

**Frankenberry**

Sigh, yet more death.

On a side, and somewhat related note, the 'cops lives matter' and 'black lives matter' bits popping up on the internet are really god damn annoying. I don't give a gak what color you are or your occupation, LIFE matters, not what you're getting paid to do.

**Hordini**

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
So I'm taking it as I will

Good. You should.

**Co'tor Shas**

Frankenberry wrote:
Sigh, yet more death.

On a side, and somewhat related note, the 'cops lives matter' and 'black lives matter' bits popping up on the internet are really god damn annoying. I don't give a gak what color you are or your occupation, LIFE matters, not what you're getting paid to do.

Well put.

**Relapse**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
Frankenberry wrote:
Sigh, yet more death.

On a side, and somewhat related note, the 'cops lives matter' and 'black lives matter' bits popping up on the internet are really god damn annoying. I don't give a gak what color you are or your occupation, LIFE matters, not what you're getting paid to do.

Well put.

Agreed. The whole situation makes me sad.

**Asherian Command**

Frankenberry wrote:
Sigh, yet more death.

On a side, and somewhat related note, the 'cops lives matter' and 'black lives matter' bits popping up on the internet are really god damn annoying. I don't give a gak what color you are or your occupation, LIFE matters, not what you're getting paid to do.

Now I bring you to no duh!
And I agree with you..

All human lives matter.

It is childish to think taking another life is justice. Because someone else took a life.

Thats Revenge. And as far as I am concerned homicide.

*cough* Death Penalty *cough*

I don't understand these types of people. Who believe violence is easier than just talking it out.

**Hordini**

Asherian Command wrote:
Thats Revenge. And as far as I am concerned homicide.

Any time one person kills another person it's homicide. That's what homicide is. It doesn't matter if it's manslaughter, murder, or self-defense or defense of others, it's still homicide. Homicide doesn't entail a moral judgement on the matter, and can be completely justified in some circumstances (specifically self-defense, or defense of others).

**djones520**

Two police officers were ruthlessly gunned down. Murdered for "revenge" for something they played absolutely no part in.

And there are people here who have only been in here, trying to stir the pot. Haven't said a thing about the actual tragedy.

A shame.

**Peregrine**

Asherian Command wrote:
I don't understand these types of people. Who believe violence is easier than just talking it out.

Try being in a position where you have no reason to believe that talking will accomplish anything because nobody cares about your problems.

**Sigvatr**

So one black man decided to avenge a non-murder by murdering two innocents.

This certainly will not be used in the future for justification purposes.

**Chongara**

What a senseless mess. Two more people are dead because of some damn fool. "I'm mad cops shot people, so I'm gonna go shoot people", what the hell.

**Asherian Command**

Peregrine wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
I don't understand these types of people. Who believe violence is easier than just talking it out.

Try being in a position where you have no reason to believe that talking will accomplish anything because nobody cares about your problems.

I wouldn't go out and kill someone. That is completely illogical.

Lets ruin my life by killing two cops.

Yeah that will make it so much better.
/sarcasm off

**sirlynchmob**

On another side note, the life of doctors matter. probably one of the most noblest of professions. Yet when they make mistakes we hold them accountable, we sue them, other doctors review them, and if they mess up bad enough they lose their job forever.

Yet police, when they make mistakes they're hailed as hero's with no accountability and if they lose their job to incompetence, they just go work someplace else. Worst of all when they make a mistake, great lengths are made to blame the victim.

In the interest of fairness, did the victims get tested for drugs? are their police records being reviewed to see if they were involved in any crimes? Maybe these cops beat their wives and thus deserved it. When these questions about the police victims get asked, we can start to see the injustice going on and why a entire population of americans might feel like second class citizens.

**Asherian Command**

sirlynchmob wrote:

On another side note, the life of doctors matter. probably one of the most noblest of professions. Yet when they make mistakes we hold them accountable, we sue them, other doctors review them, and if they mess up bad enough they lose their job forever.

Yet police, when they make mistakes they're hailed as hero's with no accountability and if they lose their job to incompetence, they just go work someplace else. Worst of all when they make a mistake, great lengths are made to blame the victim.

In the interest of fairness, did the victims get tested for drugs? are their police records being reviewed to see if they were involved in any crimes? Maybe these cops beat their wives and thus deserved it. When these questions about the police victims get asked, we can start to see the injustice going on and why a entire population of americans might feel like second class citizens.

Heres the thing. I understand that.

But it is not right for me to throw it all away and come to a very biased viewpoint. A discussion on anything needs multiple viewpoints not the same. Otherwise it will just become an echo chamber that the debate is essentially becoming. I won't blame the dead. Because the dead doesn't care. But the families do. Any human that is killed is another that beckons to me, someone I could of met. Someone that had a lie like mine. No man is an island, Entire of itself, Every man is a piece of the continent, A part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less. As well as if a promontory were. As well as if a manor of thy friend's Or of thine own were: Any man's death diminishes me, Because I am involved in mankind, And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.