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Hello all,

I am a Guard player because I love the Leman Russ tanks and the from armor 14 for under 200 points. Recently I was able to get a few Space Marine sets for cheap and wan to add some assault/mobility for a more versatile and fun army list. The current group I play with tend to play between 1000 and 1500 points at the moment so this is why I am looking to keep it small. The general idea I have was to use the formation from the Blood Angels Codex that gives a bonus to initiative. In it would be a Sanguinary Priest group with a 5 man Sanguinary Guard loaded with as many inferno pistols and power weapons as I can. The troop choice would be two minimum squad size tactical squads with a lascannon each. For the guard it would be simple and most likely an Allied detachment of a Tank Commandeer battle tank with a battle tank buddy, a veteran squad with a lascannon and flamers, and pending on left over point I would add as many Wyverns and Battle tanks as I could. For this the tactical squads would act as cover for the tanks.

What do you guys think of this for a general idea and are there better ways to do this. I like the Sanguinary guard for the 2+ save, but would another squad be better like the death company and even two squads of assault marines. I have very little experience with Marines and want to give my self s few more options to have a bit of fun. Thanks for the advice.

Sanguinary guard are best with minimal wargear because they already cost an absurd amount for a one wound model.

Martel732 wrote:
Sanguinary guard are best with minimal wargear because they already cost an absurd amount for a one wound model.

Since they already come with power wealons I would only add inferno pistols pending on the army I was fighting.

I came across a formation, Angeles Wrath Intervention force, which consists of two assualt squads and a vanguard squad that do strength 4 ap- hits in 6 inches of landing from deep strike. Is this a good formation?

Not sure. I dont own it. Just be aware that codex blood angels still tempts you into pouring too many points into one wound models.

The Angel's Wrath jumper formation is very nice, limiting scatter and doing damage on the drop; it would certainly add an aggressive element to the army and all its components are decent.

As for Sanguinary Guard, I'd advocate only one or at the most two pistols per squad; throw them on everyone and they do get too expensive. Base, though, they're a good price, and a very effective unit, although the Chapter Banner is a great addition.

For troops, I'd take Scouts over Tacticals, as a) they keep it cheap, saving points for more toys (if you want a static firebase, Guard have several options that are better than minimal Tacticals), b) they can Infiltrate, adding a nicely aggressive element, and c) if you throw a Power Weapon on the Sarge, they have a nice damage output for the cost.

You can't go wrong with Death Company, even 5 with nothing but JPs give you a very nice 'missile' unit that you can just throw at anything not an MC or heavy Tank and kill it to death.

in the last game i played (first and only with new codex...) i really felt the need of a power fist on SG. I would squeeze some point to put one or a couple of PF (or at least a PA) to hitting high thoughness or high armour target
as for pistol, i really don't like infernus: 6" is way too short range and they melta at 3". Plasma, btw, will hit at 12" and are still a nice S7 (plus with artificier and FnP i don't think occasionally "gets hot" should be a problem)

DC can also crush some MC and/or tank with charge, if you are a bit lucky: 5 man unit still hit with 25x S5 attacks and with a bit of luck you can glance to death even AV11 tank (remember they hit on rear armour) and/or do some damage to a big scary wraithknight!!
however, they are not anti-tank so you should treat this as a last resort option...

i'm a bit fan of scout and i think a 5x camo+sniper scout it's pretty awesome for barely 70 points!

I can't help with BA, but, as my name would suggest, I can help with the guard. Your general plan is good but swap the normal battle tanks with the 120 point nova cannon ones, they are cheapest and by far the best value. Then use some of those extra points for carapace on the vets, a lot of anti-infantry weapons are AP5, so you'll feel it coming into play when you get a save.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I can't help with BA, but, as my name would suggest, I can help with the guard. Your general plan is good but swap the normal battle tanks with the 120 point nova cannon ones, they are cheapest and by far the best value. Then use some of those extra points for carapace on the vets, a lot of anti-infantry weapons are AP5, so you'll feel it coming into play when you get a save.

My thoughts as far as the Guard went was to use the standard Battle tanks with heavy flamers when against marines and Tau so I could get the AP 3 and then use Nova cannons against everyone else. Is the AP3 worth it to have against those armies and with the Nova do you add sponsons to it since it is not ordinance? As for the Vets I never leave them without a save. Depending on if I ever buy an Aegis Defense Line I was going to use camo cloaks or with the lack of the ADL I was going to use carapace.

Santange11 wrote:

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I can't help with BA, but, as my name would suggest, I can help with the guard. Your general plan is good but swap the normal battle tanks with the 120 point nova cannon ones, they are cheapest and by far the best value. Then use some of those extra points for carapace on the vets, a lot of anti-infantry weapons are AP5, so you'll feel it coming into play when you get a save.

My thoughts as far as the Guard went was to use the standard Battle tanks with heavy flamers when against marines and Tau so I could get the AP 3 and then use Nova cannons against everyone else. Is the AP3 worth it to have against those armies and with the Nova do you add sponsons to it since it is not ordinance? As for the Vets I never leave them without a save. Depending on if I ever buy an Aegis Defense Line I was going to use camo cloaks or with the lack of the ADL I was going to use carapace.

If you can get the different barrels in for SM and Tau, then go for it and yes I have heavy bolter soponsons for extra anti-infantry. For the vets I would recommend the ADL if you are planning to have your Tac squads sit behind it as well (bear in mind going to ground behind it gives you a 2+, so the camo cloaks can't improve that). If not, then that's 50 points for one squad, so probably not the best idea.

What book is that angels wrath formation in? I used to ally dante and sang guard with my IG, but they changed that.

Angels of Wrath formation and a few others are coming out in the leaked White Dwarf 47. I really like the idea of adding Space Marines to my guard for fluff reasons and it seems like an effective option as well.

There is no point in infernus pistols unless you are going to DS from a pod or your warlord has the DoA trait.
This is because of the 3" range. You have a good chance to land your troops within 3" due to the 6" disembarkation and no threat of mishapping from a pod. Whereas with jump units there is a major threat of mishap if you want to get within 3".
Put a pf within the squad. If you are within 3" you are going to get to charge it anyway and the pf will f-up a tabk anyway, combined with all the st5/6 attacks against rear armour.
Tac squads with lascannons are an exceptionally expensive way to get a single lascannon shot on the board. Especially if taking guard when you can get them for cheaper than 90pts. I would suggest scouts instead as they can be cheap and cheerful counterattcking units/speedbumbs for guard.

Poly Ranger wrote:
There is no point in infernus pistols unless you are going to DS from a pod or your warlord has the DoA trait.
This is because of the 3" range. You have a good chance to land your troops within 3" due to the 6" disembarkation and no threat of mishapping from a pod. Whereas with jump units there is a major threat of mishap if you want to get within 3".
Put a pf within the squad. If you are within 3" you are going to get to charge it anyway and the pf will f-up a tabk anyway, combined with all the st5/6 attacks against rear armour.
Tac squads with lascannons are an exceptionally expensive way to get a single lascannon shot on the board. Especially if taking guard when you can get them for cheaper than 90pts. I would suggest scouts instead as they can be cheap and cheerful counterattcking units/speedbumbs for guard.

I think I have moved away from a standard force org chart and moved to Angels Wrath formation giving me 2 assualt squads and 1 vanguard squad. This way I can take two metals and a power first per squad or change to flamers pending the army I am fighting. Now without the Tactical Squad I can use a platoon and a priest for cheap bubble wrapping. With this I would give the warlord trait to the blood angels.

Good plan.