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2 scenarios here

1: blood claws with lucas the trickster are sitting on an objective. Eldar avatar charges up and challenges lucas to a challenge. Of course avatar slaughters lucas and 4 more carry over to squad.
in true trickster fashion avatar is also removed as a casualty (after roll off of course).
Opponent declares he won combat and says I have to roll to see if I run. I ask what gives and he said he was removed as a casualty and not actually killed....even though there's no models to run from. how can you run when there's nothing to run from
Shenanigan's?

2: last turn of game he charges a unit on an objective...wins combat. Leadership failed running. I say "roll to see if you lock me into combat" he of course says that's my choice if I want to do that or not....I protest and he concedes and says "its only after you fully run off the objective"
I think it was just a ploy so he could take the objective since its that final turn.
So im totally lost.
I may be wrong but after the oddity on the first scenario can you blame me for questioning both?

For #2, you can choose whether or not to pursue after the opponent has ran. In the final turn of the game such as that, it would be more beneficial for him to hold if he was on the objective and you ran far enough away to stop contesting it.

At least that's how I remember it from 6th.

1) pg 52 - determine assault results. If you completely destroy the enemy you won the combat even if you lost the wound count by 100-1.

2) pg 53 - Sweeping Advance doesn't say it's voluntary. It must be done. "When a unit falls back from combat, the victors make a Sweeping Advance,"

Spetulhu wrote:
1)2) pg 53 - Sweeping Advance doesn't say it's voluntary. It must be done. "When a unit falls back from combat, the victors make a Sweeping Advance,"

Yes but if the sweeping advance catches the enemy, they are wiped out and then he can choose to consolidate instead of pursuing... right?

What do you mean by 'instead of pursuing'?

Why do i feel like this is some kinda fantasy shenanigans

also. Avatar being fearless i wouldnt see how he would need to LD.

Also there is nothing but removed as casualties (i dont think anything uses the term "killed" besides older books) and removed from casualty still counts all wounds losts in CC unless otherwise stated.

I have a feeling your opponent might be trying to fleece you.

Desubot - Fearless to auto pass Leadership tests. It auto passes Morale, Pinning and Fear tests (which are a subset of Leadership tests).

Ah, movement... 40K Sweeping Advance doesn't make either unit "move", it's just a roll-off. And if the losing unit has Space Marine super powers they're not destroyed but instead locked in combat again.

Yeah, Sweeping Advance hasn't involved the attackers moving anywhere for at least 3 editions now.

 Desubot wrote:
Why do i feel like this is some kinda fantasy shenanigans

also. Avatar being fearless i wouldnt see how he would need to LD.

Also there is nothing but removed as casualties (i dont think anything uses the term "killed" besides older books) and removed from casualty still counts all wounds losts in CC unless otherwise stated.

I have a feeling your opponent might be trying to fleece you.

Avatar would still need to test for Lukas the Trickster, as Fearless only prevents Morale and Pinning checks. For the purposes of this, no, the Blood Claws would not have had to rolled a morale check, as they won combat by slaying their only opponent.

The OP is playing Space Wolves, the Eldar Playing taking the Sweeping Check would have kept the Space Wolves on the objective, presumably. In 7th, you have to take a sweeping advanced check, it's no longer optional.

"Opponent declares he won combat and says I have to roll to see if I run"

sorry this part was what was confusing me as i though it was only the avatar in cc. bleh

tanker19 wrote:
2 scenarios here

1: blood claws with lucas the trickster are sitting on an objective. Eldar avatar charges up and challenges lucas to a challenge. Of course avatar slaughters lucas and 4 more carry over to squad.
in true trickster fashion avatar is also removed as a casualty (after roll off of course).
Opponent declares he won combat and says I have to roll to see if I run. I ask what gives and he said he was removed as a casualty and not actually killed....even though there's no models to run from. how can you run when there's nothing to run from
Shenanigan's?

2: last turn of game he charges a unit on an objective...wins combat. Leadership failed running. I say "roll to see if you lock me into combat" he of course says that's my choice if I want to do that or not....I protest and he concedes and says "its only after you fully run off the objective"
I think it was just a ploy so he could take the objective since its that final turn.
So im totally lost.
I may be wrong but after the oddity on the first scenario can you blame me for questioning both?

1. Eldar Avatar being removed from play as a casualty in close would mean you won combat if it was the only unit in that combat against your blood claws. Next time ask him where it says that in the rule book.

2. You must "Sweep" your opponents. It isn't optional - however don't Bloodclaws have ATSKNF? He wouldn't of been able to sweep you (if that's the case) but he would still roll to see if you're locked in combat. Again, if you ever have a situation like this ask the person to show you in the rulebook where it says they can do x if you aren't total sure.