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beast_gts wrote:
So is there actually going to be an AdMech book or is it just going to be a Skitarii release?

Hopefully both! Rumour is two books.

Will probably be the Codex and a paint guide if the recent Codex releases are anything to go by.

Honestly?
The rumor was that there will be two Skitarii books...that seems like we've had some kind of wires being crossed and people are reporting the painting book as a second part to it.

Same thing happened with Harlequins.

Requizen wrote:
Also, do you guys think there's a chance the Forgeworld Mechanicum models will see rules for use in 40k alongside these guys? Would be pretty cool to get some of those Thallax or Castellax models.

30K only for Robots.

They're anathema to 40K AdMech.

Lords of Wargaming said

- 2 (Supplement) Codices
- 1 Adeptus Mechanicus Codex

So 3 books - see the quotes. The first two are what we used to call codex supplements, but they are like Tempestus or Daemonkin so they contain unit rules and are independent. Afterwards, in May, there will be according to Lords of Wargaming an AdMech codex

Painting guides are not counted here - only army books

So what are we looking at currently I wonder, the Admech codex or a supplement? For the Astra Militarum release I skipped on the Militarum Tempestus supplement dex because I knew I wouldn't like it. If this is similar I may end up doing the same and waiting for the main codex release.

Lords of War Gaming didn't say the smaller book was a supplement.

Also IIRC it was a small Skitarri book now and a bigger Ad Mech codex later (like Scions followed by Guard). The other book is likely a painting guide

Warhams-77 wrote:
Lords of Wargaming said

- 2 (Supplement) Codices
- 1 Adeptus Mechanicus Codex

So 3 books - see the quotes. The first two are what we used to call codex supplements, but they are like Tempestus or Daemonkin so they contain unit rules and are independent. Afterwards, in May, there will be according to Lords of Wargaming an AdMech codex

Painting guides are not counted here - only army books

Ugh, why so spread out...

I won't want to buy anything until I know what it's all about, so while I'm rather interested in this release, it means I also probably won't buy anything until May then. Pity, I was looking forward to maybe making a moderate detachment of them, now I'll just have to wait.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Lords of War Gaming didn't say the smaller book was a supplement.

Also IIRC it was a small Skitarri book now and a bigger Ad Mech codex later (like Scions followed by Guard). The other book is likely a painting guide

Bingo bango.

It was as simple as LoW Gaming said that the Skitarii release was going to be two books--which somehow got warped into two separate army books.

 tomball0706 wrote:
I've always imagined that they were space marine height or just under? About 6ft 5 if not higher as isn't that he general consensus for SM height?

The underlined is the issue. Without minis or a good volume of artwork, people had a lot more room to imagine Skitarii as they chose to see them. Now that clear and codified official visuals are on the way, there are bound to be some people disappointed that the they don't meet with their own personal vision. And that's a legit reaction, but it's hard to see how GW could have made everyone happy. It's like every book-to-film translation ever.

FWIW, the infantry (insofar as I can tell from that tiny, poor pic) is about how I envisioned them. *shrug*

3 books - 2 Minor Codizes and 1 AdMech Codex

PENDING Adeptus Mechanicus Rumors - Mar 2015
Admech are right around the corner.

Lords of War Gaming They are not actually Admech. That codex will release later. The books will be Skatarii and Cult Mechanicus.


PENDING Adeptus Mechanicus Rumors - Feb 2015
via Lords of War Gaming:
- April/May
– It’s Admech, but there will be two codices.
- Tanks will be walkers.

PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Feb 2015
...
- April/May It's Admech, but there will be two codices. Also tanks will be walkers.
- It will be a full army. Nothing on 9th Ed.

If I misunderstood the underlined quote, sorry , but I also read the original topics where these are from and that sounded a lot like 3 releases

That doesn't say both of those books are codexes. It just gives titles for the two books.

EDIT: Though I do see an interpretation that claims otherwise.

Two codexes for the same group of models in the same release group like this just seems highly unlikely.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
That doesn't say both of those books are codexes. It just gives titles for the two books.

To be fair:

- April/May It's Admech, but there will be two codices. Also tanks will be walkers.
- It will be a full army. Nothing on 9th Ed.

Does say it will be two codices--but whether that was meant to include Skitarii or not is not clear.

That's an interpretation, not what they specifically said.

If the main codex is coming later and we're only getting models for one book, then what is the other book covering?

My money is painting guide like other releases, and NOT two mini-dexes.

They are talking about Codex books and not painting guides. Because that was the original question

Edit: Corrected typo

Warhams-77 wrote:
They are talking about Codex books and not painting guides? Because that was the original question

No they weren't. Someone has assumed they were.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
That's an interpretation, not what they specifically said.

If the main codex is coming later and we're only getting models for one book, then what is the other book covering?

My money is painting guide like other releases, and NOT two mini-dexes.

Remember that the rumor is split into two parts.

March is Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus
April/May is AdMech

"Cult Mechanicus" definitely sounds like a painting book.

It would seem really strange to me for them to release 3 books for an entirely new army, even if it is a popular one that will probably sell decently. It just feels really cluttered, for lack of a better word.

We'll find out either way, soon enough. March 27th is this Friday, after all.

I have to deliberately avoid GW trailers because they're so... Cute, for lack of a better word, that it puts me off what they're advertising.

I agree that the new four-legged walker looks a little strange, but hopefully there'll be some other nicer models on the way.

The issues people have with the walker really highlight some of my main complaints with GW. That is to say, it's not awful, and isn't all that bad, imo. But for something that most people can only praise as "good conversion fodder," saying it's disappointing doesn't even fully address the problem. That would be fine if this were going to be reasonably priced. But for the probably obscene price, GW should be delivering an awesome design that requires nothing, no extra effort on the part of the purchaser/player/hobbyist.

-C6

Lets just hope the skitari has a more military issue design on their walkers, and the actual ad mech looks more inspired.

I agree with most peoples sentiment that there need to be a more organic structure to the mechanics, more individual and with a creepy "just about sentient" feel to it.

 catharsix wrote:
The issues people have with the walker really highlight some of my main complaints with GW. That is to say, it's not awful, and isn't all that bad, imo. But for something that most people can only praise as "good conversion fodder," saying it's disappointing doesn't even fully address the problem. That would be fine if this were going to be reasonably priced. But for the probably obscene price, GW should be delivering an awesome design that requires nothing, no extra effort on the part of the purchaser/player/hobbyist.

-C6

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There is no such model because every player will always have their own mental image of what fits "best" for every faction. Some only take it as far as alternate paint schemes, others go with conversions. That option customization is actually a selling point for 40k, not a detriment.


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 Fayric wrote:
Lets just hope the skitari has a more military issue design on their walkers, and the actual ad mech looks more inspired.

I agree with most peoples sentiment that there need to be a more organic structure to the mechanics, more individual and with a creepy "just about sentient" feel to it.

Considering how inorganic the Ad Mech is I wouldn't expect an organic feel to their vehicles. They're built, not grown, after all. Now the Dark Mechanicus I'd expect to have a more organic feel (like the musculature on the legs of the Soul Grinder) since some of their stuff is grown, and the rest tends to reshape itself thanks to bound Daemons inside.

I think GWs problem with kit design is that too often it seems like a chef who assumes that just because he uses good ingredients he will get something that tastes good. That GW models these parts but don't necessarily look at it compositionally. So we end up with awesome ingredients for other projects but on a whole nothing special.

From my understanding the Adeptus Mechanicus has various Magi some might specialize in growing new and diverse life forms. It's been a while and I'm not 100 percent on this so forgive my presumption.

I don't see why there wouldn't or "couldn't" be a forge world that wouldn't or " could not " create a living tank or walker or whatever as I understand the Mechanicus is just as devided as the inquisition on what to do . My opinion aside. It's certainly an option for converters.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think GWs problem with kit design is that too often it seems like a chef who assumes that just because he uses good ingredients he will get something that tastes good. That GW models these parts but don't necessarily look at it compositionally. So we end up with awesome ingredients for other projects but on a whole nothing special.

I disagree. I think GW uses good ingredients but has to market for a wide pallet so things end up a little more bland than they would if they were made for a specific person. It's the cost of big business, and I can live with that since they do a good job of making sure we can season it to taste.

In this day of 2-4-1 kits from GW, I'm hoping that the alternative configuration (if there is one) is better.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
They are talking about Codex books and not painting guides? Because that was the original question

No they weren't. Someone has assumed they were.

I am only sharing what they said, okay? I am not arguing as GW are the only ones in the know. I am not. Lords of Wargaming has said these are supplements. It should still be on their facebook page. I quote from the BOLS lounge, as I cannot check FB at the moment

via Lords of War (facebook) 4-10-2015

"Admech are right around the corner. ...They are not actually Admech. That codex will release later. The books will be Skatarii and Cult Mechanicus."
"Supplements, but models as well."

This is from the same conversation, quoted correctly by BOLS. I read the original posts with the questions and this is what we got there. Maybe LoW are wrong. And their posts are quite vague at times. Just wanted to point this out


Oh and better ignore the Voices in the Tress rumors, they were not reliable in the past weeks

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think GWs problem with kit design is that too often it seems like a chef who assumes that just because he uses good ingredients he will get something that tastes good. That GW models these parts but don't necessarily look at it compositionally. So we end up with awesome ingredients for other projects but on a whole nothing special.

Bassicly unless Jes Goodwin is involved directly like he was on the Dark Eldar, Most GW modles suffer this problem. Just because their sculptors are talented, dosen't mean they are creative many times it seems.


I personally like the new walker, but i fully admit it's fairly uninspired looking. It looks like someone told them to make a loyalist deflier.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think GWs problem with kit design is that too often it seems like a chef who assumes that just because he uses good ingredients he will get something that tastes good. That GW models these parts but don't necessarily look at it compositionally. So we end up with awesome ingredients for other projects but on a whole nothing special.

I think one reason behind it is making the design process as efficient and fast as possible. Tight schedule means less time to play with sketches/concepts, and without good concept work you get kind of mediocre models - very much the sort of where things are 'thrown together quickly'.

migooo wrote:
From my understanding the Adeptus Mechanicus has various Magi some might specialize in growing new and diverse life forms. It's been a while and I'm not 100 percent on this so forgive my presumption.

I don't see why there wouldn't or "couldn't" be a forge world that wouldn't or " could not " create a living tank or walker or whatever as I understand the Mechanicus is just as devided as the inquisition on what to do . My opinion aside. It's certainly an option for converters.

You're talking about the Magos Biologis who are a subsect of the overall Adeptus Mechanicus. Most of their augments are biological in basis (vat grown muscle implants for example), and their main duty has to do with dealing with the Space Marine geneseed. Others study xenobiology to find better means of combating them.

I'm not finding a lot of them making anything to fight war directly though. They maintain the geneseed and pursue the Quest for Knowledge in biological matters, and that's about it.