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Mymearan wrote:


admech vehicles all have force fields.

Shouldn't it have an invulnerable save or something instead of a better AV then?

 Ignatius wrote:

Mymearan wrote:


admech vehicles all have force fields.

Shouldn't it have an invulnerable save or something instead of a better AV then?

Same argument could be aimed at the Eldar walkers.

I though the eldar walker did have a shield.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I will say that the aesthetics combined with seemingly balanced and "reasonably viable" looking rules has inspired a weird feeling in me... I actually WANT to build/buy these and not over-think hyper competitive meta stuff. It just seems like it would be fun, and a cool army to put on the table, whereas far too many of my buying decisions in recent years have been of the "What is super competitive" variety.

The Dragoons, for example, look like the absurd sci-fi I love, and weirdly... I don't care if they are necessarily the "best".

Likewise, I am bored of allying Sisters into everything just for Melta Doms, and Haywire Rangers seem like they could fill almost the same roll, but also have "fun" and interesting other units to bring along.

My only hiccup right now will be price. I would LOVE to see these Walkers sell for $50 for two models. $50 per would just be incredibly cost prohibitive right now.

This. All of this. I was tempted by the Harlequins but this is a straight order of 4 boxes out the gate and then I'll eventually get the book and other stuff and see how it works. Also I'm so hoping for 2 walkers for $50. I won't want to build a unit of 6 (let alone the 2 I'm thinking of) for $300 each before discounts.

I'm thinking of Slaaneshi hellstriders and other goodies to be made from these.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

Mymearan wrote:


admech vehicles all have force fields.

Shouldn't it have an invulnerable save or something instead of a better AV then?

Same argument could be aimed at the Eldar walkers.

True, and I won't discriminate and so I'll aim it at them too

 Desubot wrote:
I though the eldar walker did have a shield.

The original didn't have enclosed cockpit and fluff says a forcefield protects the pilot.

I'm slowly and steadily saving up money for this.

I will hope against hope for an army box.

The point was that complaining about the model not having QN invul wave but having an AV value is silly when other models have had that for years.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 winterman wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Where is this 'full AdMech codex' rumor coming from? Everything I've seen indicates that this Skitarii mini-dex is basically it, being released basically as a supplement to some stuff that FW is working on.

Lords of War Gaming wrote: They are not actually Admech. That codex will release later. The books will be Skatarii and Cult Mechanicus.

That is from Lords of War Gaming Facebook page, posted a couple weeks ago.

ah, I take my rumors from a higher power (or something)

Satan?... is that you ? oh Kirby I guess then

@Kan

That would be optimal. I might grab 2-3 of those instead of buying seperately. I feel like everything released so far is extremely usable. Granted I might not love the tank so it would depend on what it included. I'm still a little sad they didn't release a harlequin boxset.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The point was that complaining about the model not having QN invul wave but having an AV value is silly when other models have had that for years.

My point is I think it's a silly mechanic that I don't think needs to be extended from one unit to another just because it already exists. I don't think either of them should have it, and I don't think that saying "well it's been around a while" is a good reason to not complain about something.

 Ignatius wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The point was that complaining about the model not having QN invul wave but having an AV value is silly when other models have had that for years.

My point is I think it's a silly mechanic that I don't think needs to be extended from one unit to another just because it already exists. I don't think either of them should have it, and I don't think that saying "well it's been around a while" is a good reason to not complain about something.

Well we could make the obvious vehicle an MC instead but that makes people upset too. This is honestly the lesser of two evils in my opinion.

And on a side not I hate posting by phone.

Some sacred machine oil, murky incense and the right binary prayer toughen up any Machine Spirit to AV 11.
This is still 40k folks.

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Kan

That would be optimal. I might grab 2-3 of those instead of buying seperately. I feel like everything released so far is extremely usable. Granted I might not love the tank so it would depend on what it included. I'm still a little sad they didn't release a harlequin boxset.

I think with Harlequin they might still have one planned, but I can't be sure.
Sometimes the boxes come out weeks, if not months, following the Codex releases.


The only way I would not be interested in an army box for Skitarii is if the box includes a full squadron of the Ironstrider chassis vehicles. I'd avoid it simply because any of those I get, I'm converting to have no rider.

I agree on the walker price point. $50 for a 50ish point AV11 walker means I won't start an AdMech force, or will wait for the cheaper methods (eBay, online discounters, etc).

$50 for 2, I'll build it up in stages

$50 for 2 and a good battleforce option, I'm all in.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The point was that complaining about the model not having QN invul wave but having an AV value is silly when other models have had that for years.

My point is I think it's a silly mechanic that I don't think needs to be extended from one unit to another just because it already exists. I don't think either of them should have it, and I don't think that saying "well it's been around a while" is a good reason to not complain about something.

Well we could make the obvious vehicle an MC instead but that makes people upset too. This is honestly the lesser of two evils in my opinion.

And on a side not I hate posting by phone.

That's certainly an option, but not the only one. Why not make it AV 10 and give it an invuln? That seems to solve both problems. Then again, my opinion doesn't really matter anyways. The point is we have a mechanic already for factoring in things being harder to kill than their physical properties would suggest. It's called invulnerable saves. Invulnerable saves are usually described as being force fields, which this walker supposedly has. So why not follow the precedent of giving it that save? Why don't we just make SM captains with a Iron Halos like T6 instead of having their invulnerables? It just seems like it's indiscriminate in its use.

 Ignatius wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The point was that complaining about the model not having QN invul wave but having an AV value is silly when other models have had that for years.

My point is I think it's a silly mechanic that I don't think needs to be extended from one unit to another just because it already exists. I don't think either of them should have it, and I don't think that saying "well it's been around a while" is a good reason to not complain about something.

Well we could make the obvious vehicle an MC instead but that makes people upset too. This is honestly the lesser of two evils in my opinion.

And on a side not I hate posting by phone.

That's certainly an option, but not the only one. Why not make it AV 10 and give it an invuln? That seems to solve both problems. Then again, my opinion doesn't really matter anyways. The point is we have a mechanic already for factoring in things being harder to kill than their physical properties would suggest. It's called invulnerable saves. Invulnerable saves are usually described as being force fields, which this walker supposedly has. So why not follow the precedent of giving it that save? Why don't we just make SM captains with a Iron Halos like T6 instead of having their invulnerables? It just seems like it's indiscriminate in its use.

Probably because AV10 is vulnerable to most small arms in the game.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I knew I have seen the Ironstrider silhouette before.
It's more GW love for old 2nd edition/Epic models!

Pretty much from the launch of the Knight Titan onward, even the changes from 6th to 7th, have all been a great "back to our roots" movement by GW. I, for one, and for it!

Vanguard: Nice enough minis lots of details on them (should be good for bits), really like the guy with the running pose to the left of guy with the with hair dryer in the bottom pic. Probably won't get them though they're not really what I have in mind when I think of Skitarii, I'd always imagined them as techno-barbarians also not a massive fan of the guns, so I'll probably end up converting my own.

Rangers: Really like these minis can just imagine them stalking a target on some barren desert world, think the models really fit the fluff that's been written for them.

Ironstrider: Can really see myself getting this one, very cool design, only thing I can see myself changing on this one is to try and convert the gunner into some sort of servitor, the rider just makes it look too much like something from the IG or from a knight household.

Dragoon: Same as with the Vanguard nice enough model but just doesn't really fit into my idea of the Mechanicum. Again not a big fan of the rider (for mechanicum anyway) and unlike the Ironstrider don't really think that I can convert the rider to look good.

Spider Walker Not a fan from what I've seen so far, but just think I'll wait to see a more pics and a better paint job on it (think the red and cream make the two different sections stand out too much so you end up looking at them as two independents and not one model)

 Alpharius wrote:
GW's pretty much said 'everything is canon' so...

It's a big universe, and full of lies and mis-information... Who knows which accounts are the "real" story? At least I know that my Dark Angels are loyalists...

I'm curious why one of the guys has a Purity Seal isn't that more of a SM or Adeptus Ministorum ( Eclisiarchy ) thing?

migooo wrote:
I'm curious why one of the guys has a Purity Seal isn't that more of a SM or Adeptus Ministorum ( Eclisiarchy ) thing?

It's an Imperium thing ranging from an Oath Seal to something being consencrated as pure.

Wow. That heavy tank and shooty walker look JUST like the Dust tactics models I had been using as proxies before I picked up my real mechanicum stuff.


So basically all I need to purchase is a single troop box and I have a skiitari allied detachment to add to my mechanicum force.

Time for a devastatingly awesome combo-force of killer cyborg robots at a discount price! I'm beyond pumped.

Ok, I like how the Vanguard have rad weapons. That's pretty cool.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ok, I like how the Vanguard have rad weapons. That's pretty cool.

I agree, it's totally rad.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ok, I like how the Vanguard have rad weapons. That's pretty cool.

Its pretty rad

Edit: i hate you 10 second ninja!!!!!!

I mean, that's the sort of stuff that I was expecting for the skitarri to have; they are so augmented that they can carry a freaking nuclear reactor on their back, and give no feths.
Oh, and they make sure its leaking, because the flesh is weak.

Excellent infantry kits. So much conversion potential...

The Skitari are extremely inspired by Blanches work for the HH artbooks ( at least my opinion others may vary)

I'm actually concerned about the Sprues, we have quite a few special weapons ( including that long rifle one ) I was hoping for some servo skulls at least but it looks like we may have very little space left for cool doodads.

Id really like to know if its 2 walkers per box and if its 10 guys per troop box as it will change what I buy first. also if the costs we have are accurate or nay.