Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

They could always change the fluff, though...

some more pricing info from my Card Ogre newsletter:

ADEPTUS MECHANICUS SKITARII (will make 2 different troop choices) $39
ADEPTUS MECHANICUS IRONSTRIDER(a walker with tons of guns!) $49

migooo wrote:
I honestly doubt we will get 40k robots considering they were frowned upon during the Great Crusade because of some past war with sentient machines or something.

The Men of Stone / Men of Iron causing the Dark Age of Technology and the Age of Strife.

migooo wrote:
I honestly doubt we will get 40k robots considering they were frowned upon during the Great Crusade because of some past war with sentient machines or something.

That's why the Kaban machine was heretical because it could think.

To me you wouldn't have the robots from 30k stomping around in 40k due to the loss of tech.

To me a 40k "robot" should just be a very augmented Servator sort of like what we see on the new dragoon/iron strider.

I wouldn't expect much outside the tanks to show up in 40k ad mec

migooo wrote:
I honestly doubt we will get 40k robots considering they were frowned upon during the Great Crusade because of some past war with sentient machines or something.

That's why the Kaban machine was heretical because it could think.

Luckily there's a loophole! Staple a corpse in there and you are free and clear.

 plastictrees wrote:

migooo wrote:
I honestly doubt we will get 40k robots considering they were frowned upon during the Great Crusade because of some past war with sentient machines or something.

That's why the Kaban machine was heretical because it could think.

Luckily there's a loophole! Staple a corpse in there and you are free and clear.

It's a bit more complex than that. What the Imperium does not tolerate is true AI. True AI is heretical, Servitors run scripts. And when a servitor does something that's not in his script, oh, you can believe the Tech-Priests gak bricks.

The Land Raiders have a very limited AI for example, one of the few machines with such a thing. (Damn it, now where did I read this piece of lore ... )

Started doing a roundup on rumors in the accuracy thread. Interesting that Natfka had good sources this time and Vela looks like he was just making crud up. LoW was dead on, of course.

For what's it's worth as regards the Legio Cybernetica in 40k at least as of Graham McNeil's X of Mar's series, the So, although Black Library books generally have no quality assurance, and it could easily be retconned, there's definitely space for them to exist in the 41st millenium in some sense.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
The Land Raiders have a very limited AI for example, one of the few machines with such a thing. (Damn it, now where did I read this piece of lore ... )

5th Ed. Codex: Space Marines, where one goes off to war by itself (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rynn%27s_Might).

From the current codex: "a Land Raider’s machine spirit is so much stronger than that of lesser tanks. Indeed, the Techmarines believe that a substantial portion of the Omnissiah’s essence resides within the Land Raider’s impenetrable adamantium hull. Regardless of its value in matters of faith, the Land Raider’s machine spirit is a weighty asset. It allows the Land Raider to function with a smaller number of crew than other vehicles of comparable size, and is capable of taking control of engines, weaponry or other systems as the situation permits."

"Machine Spirit" is code for "AI" lol. Just how they get away with it.

 plastictrees wrote:

migooo wrote:
I honestly doubt we will get 40k robots considering they were frowned upon during the Great Crusade because of some past war with sentient machines or something.

That's why the Kaban machine was heretical because it could think.

Luckily there's a loophole! Staple a corpse in there and you are free and clear.

The Imperium is all about legal loop holes.

Just like how the church can't bare men under arms

 Leth wrote:
"Machine Spirit" is code for "AI" lol. Just how they get away with it.

Yes and no. It's a way to maintain the similar performance and functions as AI, without ever risking AI going "Skynet" on their creators.

beast_gts wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
The Land Raiders have a very limited AI for example, one of the few machines with such a thing. (Damn it, now where did I read this piece of lore ... )

5th Ed. Codex: Space Marines, where one goes off to war by itself (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rynn%27s_Might).

From the current codex: "a Land Raider’s machine spirit is so much stronger than that of lesser tanks. Indeed, the Techmarines believe that a substantial portion of the Omnissiah’s essence resides within the Land Raider’s impenetrable adamantium hull. Regardless of its value in matters of faith, the Land Raider’s machine spirit is a weighty asset. It allows the Land Raider to function with a smaller number of crew than other vehicles of comparable size, and is capable of taking control of engines, weaponry or other systems as the situation permits."

Thank you! I knew I read something about a LR somewhere!

To everyone whose thoughts immediately went to the dildo machine from South Park:







This is how people ride things. With what's left of the legs aligned to the walker's legs, there's no other way the pilot could be aligned while sitting on the walker's "head". Is this comparison literally because they have a tube going into their mouth? Seriously, people.

First thing I saw was a kinky gimp suit.

I actually didn't notice the guy hard wired inside until people pointed it out. that's kinda embarrassing right?

And i still don't get why they see that gyroscope thingy

It is because it looks like there is a single tube going into the guys mouth and he is wearing a black gimp suit.

 Leth wrote:
"Machine Spirit" is code for "AI" lol. Just how they get away with it.

Doubtful. The guard codex states the machine spirit can protect the crew of a tank from the energies of the void if the crew adorn the tank with the bones of someone who formed a relationship with the tank. It is the fluff for relic plating. Tech-priests can also make any tank control itself with a special rule called "awaken the machine".

beast_gts wrote:
If we get robots for 40k from GW I think it'll either be something completely new or the original Rogue Trader ones. I know the Forge World ones are updates of those (the Castellax is an updated Castellan, for example) but as the 40k Mechanicum have lost knowledge they might revert back to older types.

One salty rumor was a 2-in-1 kit that could assemble specifically Colosseus/Conqueror robot. One likely being assault the other being shooty, in standard GW fashion.

 aka_mythos wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
If we get robots for 40k from GW I think it'll either be something completely new or the original Rogue Trader ones. I know the Forge World ones are updates of those (the Castellax is an updated Castellan, for example) but as the 40k Mechanicum have lost knowledge they might revert back to older types.

One salty rumor was a 2-in-1 kit that could assemble specifically Colosseus/Conqueror robot. One likely being assault the other being shooty, in standard GW fashion.

Yes, but the original design of those two types isn't really close enough for that kind of kit:



Although they could tweak the legs so only the torso & head are different.

It seems like all of thos already correspond to mechanicum models produced by FW

 Dramagod2 wrote:
It seems like all of thos already correspond to mechanicum models produced by FW

Well, the Vorax is a Crusader and the Castellax is a Castellan. I would like to see them do a radically different design - Quadrupedal or something.

Crosspost from spikeybits^

Prices confirmed looks like. Expensive walkers ahoy! More than a dollar US per point for the 45 point bare bones walker.

Those walkers have a Sisters like dollar to point ratio.

The troops are so reasonably priced, though... even the Scions were $35 for 5.

Requizen wrote:
The troops are so reasonably priced, though... even the Scions were $35 for 5.

I agree. That is quite honestly the saving grace of this release so far.

Is the walker 23.50 or 29.50? It's quite hard to read.

migooo wrote:
Is the walker 23.50 or 29.50? It's quite hard to read.

Prob 29, as that's fairly close to $49 US

The walker is indeed 29 quid.

I'll probably get a couple of the walkers - as someone else said they would like great as outriders for Knights and Titans.

The Walker will also work quite well with the stuff getting from the Wasteman kickstarter (check it out its looking ace)

Might well get some Skitarii as recently splashed out on Mechanicum force. :0