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Factories make products, not raw materials. A Forge World is a big factory, so it stands to reason that importing materials is standard.

Or just paint it non-wood and relax.

Somebody needs to write the thrilling accounts of the Imperial Timber Merchants.

I'm honestly surprised that the Dark Angels aren't using wooden-stocked Umbra-pattern Bolters.

Hell, I'm surprised wooden stocks aren't common considering the setting.

You guys never heard about the lost Space marine legion being the lumberjack legion?

Their Chapter Master is Brawny Bunyon and their main trade offering from their planet is wood materials!

 RaptorusRex wrote:
I'm honestly surprised that the Dark Angels aren't using wooden-stocked Umbra-pattern Bolters.

Hell, I'm surprised wooden stocks aren't common considering the setting.

It was mainly the Fallen who liked Caliban's wood, no?

 WarlordRob117 wrote:
You guys never heard about the lost Space marine legion being the lumberjack legion?

Their Chapter Master is Brawny Bunyon and their main trade offering from their planet is wood materials!

They are also known to work all day, sleep all night, and once got in trouble with the Sororitas for stealing their chest plates.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
I'm honestly surprised that the Dark Angels aren't using wooden-stocked Umbra-pattern Bolters.

Hell, I'm surprised wooden stocks aren't common considering the setting.

It was mainly the Fallen who liked Caliban's wood, no?

I thought it was the Lion who was keen about wood. *budum-tish*

A good space marine should always keep his wood varnished.
He may ask for help from a fellow battle brother, preferably a techmarine.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 WarlordRob117 wrote:
You guys never heard about the lost Space marine legion being the lumberjack legion?

Their Chapter Master is Brawny Bunyon and their main trade offering from their planet is wood materials!

They are also known to work all day, sleep all night, and once got in trouble with the Sororitas for stealing their chest plates.

Nicely done....

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
I'm honestly surprised that the Dark Angels aren't using wooden-stocked Umbra-pattern Bolters.

Hell, I'm surprised wooden stocks aren't common considering the setting.

It was mainly the Fallen who liked Caliban's wood, no?

I thought it was the Lion who was keen about wood. *budum-tish*

Aaaaaand exaulted.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
I'm honestly surprised that the Dark Angels aren't using wooden-stocked Umbra-pattern Bolters.

Hell, I'm surprised wooden stocks aren't common considering the setting.

Ever held a gun with a massive wooden stock? Those things are heavy...

 Kosake wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
I'm honestly surprised that the Dark Angels aren't using wooden-stocked Umbra-pattern Bolters.

Hell, I'm surprised wooden stocks aren't common considering the setting.

Ever held a gun with a massive wooden stock? Those things are heavy...

Ever hold a gun with a massive wooden stock while being a post-human wall of muscle wearing power armor?

Anyways, from Warseer:
via TheFang, Warseer, about the Skitarii's description in the WD:

The description of the skitarii in the new WD is pretty good. Extensive bionics including removing eyelids and fitting visors with unguents and oils to keep the eyes working, "Blinking is an inconvenience easily solved".

The decal sheets are in the new kit. No picture of these I can see. The big one has 999 separate transfers. It's all Mars specific down to the skitarii designations. Presumably the background book (if we get one) or the codex will include alternates. All the Cydonia and Dune strider and the skitarii having legs removed to avoid the contact with the sands of Mars are very Martian orientated. Other forgeworlds mentioned are Ryza, Metalica, Agripinaa and Lucius.

Interesting background to the noosphere where the skitarrii feedback information and the techpriests take the input and reprogramme the skitarii. "this sudden reprogramming feels like the touch of the Omnissiah himself". "Spurred on, they will carry out their task to the letter, even if it leads to their own demise in the process. Misguided devotion? Perhaps. Effective? Unquestionably. Sounds like the base of the Doctrina Imperatives.

Techpriests lead from the ships and run the battle via the noosphere. The skitarii alphas and alpha primus who lead whole maniples so that sounds like the special characters with possibly no techpriest..

The walkers have to keep moving at all times or they will never move again as the Mechanicum don't understand the construction properly. Ironstrider legs can be fixed to either side of the body for maximum difference in posing.

Nothing we haven't seen before in the pictures as far as I can see. Lots of knights in the background. Rear cover shows Skitarii, Knights and Ultramarines in the same force.

Aww I wanted a Techpriest. But the Alphas sound like we may get something.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Anyways, from Warseer:
via TheFang, Warseer, about the Skitarii's description in the WD:

The description of the skitarii in the new WD is pretty good. Extensive bionics including removing eyelids and fitting visors with unguents and oils to keep the eyes working, "Blinking is an inconvenience easily solved".

The frustrating thing about knowing some level of medicine is that you see stuff like the eyelid thing and think "that doesn't make *any* sense!" But I suppose that's more of a problem with everything science fiction that it is just 40k.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Somebody needs to write the thrilling accounts of the Imperial Timber Merchants.

I may just borrow this idea.

 Accolade wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Anyways, from Warseer:
via TheFang, Warseer, about the Skitarii's description in the WD:

The description of the skitarii in the new WD is pretty good. Extensive bionics including removing eyelids and fitting visors with unguents and oils to keep the eyes working, "Blinking is an inconvenience easily solved".

The frustrating thing about knowing some level of medicine is that you see stuff like the eyelid thing and think "that doesn't make *any* sense!" But I suppose that's more of a problem with everything science fiction that it is just 40k.

Clearly they wear a device that keeps the eyes saturated. Like some kind of goggles filled with a kind of saline solution.

That or robot eyes mean you don't need eyelids anymore.

Well the robot eyes makes sense if you just replace them. But if you take off the eyelids and have to supply a constant supply of "oils and unguents" then it's just another thing you have to supply them with beyond food and water. I can just imagine the oil line the soldiers have to stand in... ("yeah, my shooting needs to be recalibrated, I'm overdue for an oil change.")

Again, I don't really care, it's more funny than anything. It just seems silly and unnecessarily Grimderp.

 Accolade wrote:
Well the robot eyes makes sense if you just replace them. But if you take off the eyelids and have to supply a constant supply of "oils and unguents" then it's just another thing you have to supply them with beyond food and water. I can just imagine the oil line the soldiers have to stand in... ("yeah, my shooting needs to be recalibrated, I'm overdue for an oil change.")

Again, I don't really care, it's more funny than anything. It just seems silly and unnecessarily Grimderp.

It might make sense if the equipment and weapons are more important and valuable than the pile of meat inhabiting them. If it's really, really important to maximize the number of shots your Plasma fusil (or whatever) gets, then the cost of zipping some meathead into the suit, slicing off his eyelids, and misting his eyeballs for the battle might be fine, especially if he's not expected to live through it, or you plan on rendering him down into corpse starch later.

It's an improbable economy, but not a completely incoherent one. Now, if you plan on having the guy in service for 5 years, yes, it's probably grimdark for grimdark's sake.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Anyways, from Warseer:
via TheFang, Warseer, about the Skitarii's description in the WD:

The description of the skitarii in the new WD is pretty good. Extensive bionics including removing eyelids and fitting visors with unguents and oils to keep the eyes working, "Blinking is an inconvenience easily solved".

The frustrating thing about knowing some level of medicine is that you see stuff like the eyelid thing and think "that doesn't make *any* sense!" But I suppose that's more of a problem with everything science fiction that it is just 40k.

Clearly they wear a device that keeps the eyes saturated. Like some kind of goggles filled with a kind of saline solution.

That or robot eyes mean you don't need eyelids anymore.

Not robot eyes. Just says that the eyelids are removed.
By visor I'm assuming they mean lens.

 Accolade wrote:
Well the robot eyes makes sense if you just replace them. But if you take off the eyelids and have to supply a constant supply of "oils and unguents" then it's just another thing you have to supply them with beyond food and water. I can just imagine the oil line the soldiers have to stand in... ("yeah, my shooting needs to be recalibrated, I'm overdue for an oil change.")

Again, I don't really care, it's more funny than anything. It just seems silly and unnecessarily Grimderp.

Yep, pretty grim derp. Probably wont be reading the fluff for this (which usually happens with GW, its all derpy).

I really like that word, grimderp. It reminds me of "I am 14 and this is deep" style dark stuff.

I wonder how these guys sleep, do they turn their eyes off? They would need more than just oil, they would need lubricant as well and whatever other grimfluid they need. If they are replacing eyelids, then surely they would be replacing a lot more of the human body to the point where they would need dedicated mechanics integrated into units so they can troubleshoot errors and attend to malfunctions. But to reliably have the parts needed for a body of modifications would be a pain. Unless the modifications have a decent success rate in dirty battle field conditions, their biggest worry would be soldiers with glitches.

The dust, dirt, soot and constant moment would wear these guys down big time. I dont think their praying would be enough to stop the army simply leaving hundreds of their men as they march because parts of them start to malfunction.

It sounds cool having cybernetic soldiers, but would be better if it were done in a sensibly mass produced way. But oh well, they look cool I guess.

Da Butcha wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Well the robot eyes makes sense if you just replace them. But if you take off the eyelids and have to supply a constant supply of "oils and unguents" then it's just another thing you have to supply them with beyond food and water. I can just imagine the oil line the soldiers have to stand in... ("yeah, my shooting needs to be recalibrated, I'm overdue for an oil change.")

Again, I don't really care, it's more funny than anything. It just seems silly and unnecessarily Grimderp.

It might make sense if the equipment and weapons are more important and valuable than the pile of meat inhabiting them. If it's really, really important to maximize the number of shots your Plasma fusil (or whatever) gets, then the cost of zipping some meathead into the suit, slicing off his eyelids, and misting his eyeballs for the battle might be fine, especially if he's not expected to live through it, or you plan on rendering him down into corpse starch later.

It's an improbable economy, but not a completely incoherent one. Now, if you plan on having the guy in service for 5 years, yes, it's probably grimdark for grimdark's sake.

Alright, I'll do this.

It's not just the "we don't care about people! Grimdark!" that's an issue, although there are obvious issues behind that pertaining to materials, training time, resources consumed, etc. etc...you can get around some of that with cloning (sort-of), so I'll just leave that alone.

In the frame of a battle, your body will speed up blinking significantly beyond its typical 300 milliseconds (closer to 100). It'll take another 500-600 milliseconds to perceive an image, turn and fire a weapon (I'm using information from research on trained baseball players swinging a bat, which I think correlates well-enough to a well-trained soldier). So you'd be looking at a small improvement in blinking/perceiving...that is, *if* blinking couldn't be manually controlled. Because it can be manually controlled, a soldier would just control the blinking reflex at times of high stress. You aren't just blinking like a crazy person when shooting at someone/someone shooting at you. The "oiled" eyes wouldn't really provide a benefit in battle, and outside of battle they'd be a tremendous waste of resources, as you have to simulate the constant washing of natural tears...PLUS you'd have to take out all of the nerves corresponding to tearing reflex so that it doesn't mix with the oil.

So combining the oils, unguents, and visors results in a lot of production for a process that really isn't helpful. I know people will say "well they're AM, they don't understand technology" but they DO understand economy- this process is huge waste of their resources and something they wouldn't want to do.

Now, actual bionics are their own other thing, but cutting off eyelids because grimdark doesn't make for a compelling concept.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Well the robot eyes makes sense if you just replace them. But if you take off the eyelids and have to supply a constant supply of "oils and unguents" then it's just another thing you have to supply them with beyond food and water. I can just imagine the oil line the soldiers have to stand in... ("yeah, my shooting needs to be recalibrated, I'm overdue for an oil change.")

Again, I don't really care, it's more funny than anything. It just seems silly and unnecessarily Grimderp.

Yep, pretty grim derp. Probably wont be reading the fluff for this (which usually happens with GW, its all derpy).

I really like that word, grimderp. It reminds me of "I am 14 and this is deep" style dark stuff.

I wonder how these guys sleep, do they turn their eyes off? They would need more than just oil, they would need lubricant as well and whatever other grimfluid they need. If they are replacing eyelids, then surely they would be replacing a lot more of the human body to the point where they would need dedicated mechanics integrated into units so they can troubleshoot errors and attend to malfunctions. But to reliably have the parts needed for a body of modifications would be a pain. Unless the modifications have a decent success rate in dirty battle field conditions, their biggest worry would be soldiers with glitches.

The dust, dirt, soot and constant moment would wear these guys down big time. I dont think their praying would be enough to stop the army simply leaving hundreds of their men as they march because parts of them start to malfunction.

It sounds cool having cybernetic soldiers, but would be better if it were done in a sensibly mass produced way. But oh well, they look cool I guess.

Who needs sleep when you have the power of SCIENCE!?

Seriously though, the Mechanicus has always been an organization that doesn't do "practical".


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 Accolade wrote:

Da Butcha wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Well the robot eyes makes sense if you just replace them. But if you take off the eyelids and have to supply a constant supply of "oils and unguents" then it's just another thing you have to supply them with beyond food and water. I can just imagine the oil line the soldiers have to stand in... ("yeah, my shooting needs to be recalibrated, I'm overdue for an oil change.")

Again, I don't really care, it's more funny than anything. It just seems silly and unnecessarily Grimderp.

It might make sense if the equipment and weapons are more important and valuable than the pile of meat inhabiting them. If it's really, really important to maximize the number of shots your Plasma fusil (or whatever) gets, then the cost of zipping some meathead into the suit, slicing off his eyelids, and misting his eyeballs for the battle might be fine, especially if he's not expected to live through it, or you plan on rendering him down into corpse starch later.

It's an improbable economy, but not a completely incoherent one. Now, if you plan on having the guy in service for 5 years, yes, it's probably grimdark for grimdark's sake.

Alright, I'll do this.

It's not just the "we don't care about people! Grimdark!" that's an issue, although there are obvious issues behind that pertaining to materials, training time, resources consumed, etc. etc...you can get around some of that with cloning (sort-of), so I'll just leave that alone.

In the frame of a battle, your body will speed up blinking significantly beyond its typical 300 milliseconds (closer to 100). It'll take another 500-600 milliseconds to perceive an image, turn and fire a weapon (I'm using information from research on trained baseball players swinging a bat, which I think correlates well-enough to a well-trained soldier). So you'd be looking at a small improvement in blinking/perceiving...that is, *if* blinking couldn't be manually controlled. Because it can be manually controlled, a soldier would just control the blinking reflex a times of high stress. You aren't just blinking like a crazy person when shooting at someone/someone shooting at you. The "oiled" eyes wouldn't really provide a benefit in battle, and outside of battle they'd be a tremendous waste of resources, as you have to simulate the constant washing of natural tears...PLUS you'd have to take out all of the nerves corresponding to tearing reflex so that it doesn't mix with the oil.

So combining the oils, unguents, and visors results in a lot of production for a process that really isn't helpful. I know people will say "well they're AM, they don't understand technology" but they DO understand economy- this process is huge waste of their resources and something they wouldn't want to do.

Now, actual bionics are their own other thing, but cutting off eyelids because grimdark doesn't make for a compelling concept.

IIRC you actually blink less when you're concentrating more. Blinking less is part of how you can increase your reading rate for example. There is a downside though, as you basically fill your brain's buffer on information if you go too long without blinking. My only guess is that they'd replace that part of the brain with an implant to counter this problem.

Is it a practical solution to increasing the perception of their soldiers? Not really. But it fits the Ad Mech's methodology to everything: really impractical solutions for small problems.

 Accolade wrote:

Da Butcha wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Well the robot eyes makes sense if you just replace them. But if you take off the eyelids and have to supply a constant supply of "oils and unguents" then it's just another thing you have to supply them with beyond food and water. I can just imagine the oil line the soldiers have to stand in... ("yeah, my shooting needs to be recalibrated, I'm overdue for an oil change.")

Again, I don't really care, it's more funny than anything. It just seems silly and unnecessarily Grimderp.

It might make sense if the equipment and weapons are more important and valuable than the pile of meat inhabiting them. If it's really, really important to maximize the number of shots your Plasma fusil (or whatever) gets, then the cost of zipping some meathead into the suit, slicing off his eyelids, and misting his eyeballs for the battle might be fine, especially if he's not expected to live through it, or you plan on rendering him down into corpse starch later.

It's an improbable economy, but not a completely incoherent one. Now, if you plan on having the guy in service for 5 years, yes, it's probably grimdark for grimdark's sake.

Alright, I'll do this.

It's not just the "we don't care about people! Grimdark!" that's an issue, although there are obvious issues behind that pertaining to materials, training time, resources consumed, etc. etc...you can get around some of that with cloning (sort-of), so I'll just leave that alone.

In the frame of a battle, your body will speed up blinking significantly beyond its typical 300 milliseconds (closer to 100). It'll take another 500-600 milliseconds to perceive an image, turn and fire a weapon (I'm using information from research on trained baseball players swinging a bat, which I think correlates well-enough to a well-trained soldier). So you'd be looking at a small improvement in blinking/perceiving...that is, *if* blinking couldn't be manually controlled. Because it can be manually controlled, a soldier would just control the blinking reflex at times of high stress. You aren't just blinking like a crazy person when shooting at someone/someone shooting at you. The "oiled" eyes wouldn't really provide a benefit in battle, and outside of battle they'd be a tremendous waste of resources, as you have to simulate the constant washing of natural tears...PLUS you'd have to take out all of the nerves corresponding to tearing reflex so that it doesn't mix with the oil.

So combining the oils, unguents, and visors results in a lot of production for a process that really isn't helpful. I know people will say "well they're AM, they don't understand technology" but they DO understand economy- this process is huge waste of their resources and something they wouldn't want to do.

Now, actual bionics are their own other thing, but cutting off eyelids because grimdark doesn't make for a compelling concept.

is it possiable the Skiratii are kept in stasis when not in battle, ala SM dreadnoughts?

I suppose, but that's a *lot* of energy to keep eyelid-less dudes in stasis just to not have to keep cycling through oil and unguents.

And I figure they want to keep the Skitarii out-and-about so they can patrol, etc.

There's just not a really good reason for them to cut their eyelids off other than "YOU SEE THIS? THIS IS GRIMDARK! THIS IS 40K!" Which I mean, whatever, that's what a lot of stuff in this universe is...it's just sometimes it makes me laugh at how outside-of-the-realm-of-reality it is. But then I remember that the Primarchs can get shot in the face with bullets and only sustain bruising, so I just treat 40k like it's Marvel nowadays.

Personal headcanon: They dont all do it, its just one old Archmagos whos kind of silly and whos never really taken seriously. He still has all of his original brainparts, can you believe that! :O

<.<

They would look so great along Vostroyan, similar color scheme, wood guns... very fluffy too, as Vostroya is a Mechanicum forge world right?

 RedFox wrote:
They would look so great along Vostroyan, similar color scheme, wood guns... very fluffy too, as Vostroya is a Mechanicum forge world right?

Vostroya is an Industriual world. Basically they make equipment like lasguns, bullets, power packs, and stuff like that. They may make tanks too, but I'm not 100% on that.

Basically they're like a diet Forge World.

 Tyr13 wrote:
Personal headcanon: They dont all do it, its just one old Archmagos whos kind of silly and whos never really taken seriously. He still has all of his original brainparts, can you believe that! :O

<.<

Oh look at that guy over there he has all of his Brain. Isn't he quite the oddball. It verges on Tech Heresy.

 Accolade wrote:
I suppose, but that's a *lot* of energy to keep eyelid-less dudes in stasis just to not have to keep cycling through oil and unguents.

And I figure they want to keep the Skitarii out-and-about so they can patrol, etc.

There's just not a really good reason for them to cut their eyelids off other than "YOU SEE THIS? THIS IS GRIMDARK! THIS IS 40K!" Which I mean, whatever, that's what a lot of stuff in this universe is...it's just sometimes it makes me laugh at how outside-of-the-realm-of-reality it is. But then I remember that the Primarchs can get shot in the face with bullets and only sustain bruising, so I just treat 40k like it's Marvel nowadays.

There's a perfectly good reason for them to remove the eyelids...vanity. Those dang Skitarii are so obsessed with applying eye liner before every battle it was decided they would remove the eye lids.

 ProtoClone wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I suppose, but that's a *lot* of energy to keep eyelid-less dudes in stasis just to not have to keep cycling through oil and unguents.

And I figure they want to keep the Skitarii out-and-about so they can patrol, etc.

There's just not a really good reason for them to cut their eyelids off other than "YOU SEE THIS? THIS IS GRIMDARK! THIS IS 40K!" Which I mean, whatever, that's what a lot of stuff in this universe is...it's just sometimes it makes me laugh at how outside-of-the-realm-of-reality it is. But then I remember that the Primarchs can get shot in the face with bullets and only sustain bruising, so I just treat 40k like it's Marvel nowadays.

There's a perfectly good reason for them to remove the eyelids...vanity. Those dang Skitarii are so obsessed with applying eye liner before every battle it was decided they would remove the eye lids.

So they have a flaw similar to the Custodes then: they need to be fabulous. Like so: