Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k new pics p162

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**Prestor Jon**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Swastakowey wrote:
Accolade wrote:
Well the robot eyes makes sense if you just replace them. But if you take off the eyelids and have to supply a constant supply of "oils and unguents" then it's just another thing you have to supply them with beyond food and water. I can just imagine the oil line the soldiers have to stand in... ("yeah, my shooting needs to be recalibrated, I'm overdue for an oil change.")

Again, I don't really care, it's more funny than anything. It just seems silly and unnecessarily Grimderp.

Yep, pretty grim derp. Probably wont be reading the fluff for this (which usually happens with GW, its all derpy).

I really like that word, grimderp. It reminds me of "I am 14 and this is deep" style dark stuff.

I wonder how these guys sleep, do they turn their eyes off? They would need more than just oil, they would need lubricant as well and whatever other grimfluid they need. If they are replacing eyelids, then surely they would be replacing a lot more of the human body to the point where they would need dedicated mechanics integrated into units so they can troubleshoot errors and attend to malfunctions. But to reliably have the parts needed for a body of modifications would be a pain. Unless the modifications have a decent success rate in dirty battle field conditions, their biggest worry would be soldiers with glitches.

The dust, dirt, soot and constant moment would wear these guys down big time. I dont think their praying would be enough to stop the army simply leaving hundreds of their men as they march because parts of them start to malfunction.

It sounds cool having cybernetic soldiers, but would be better if it were done in a sensibly mass produced way. But oh well, they look cool I guess.

Who needs sleep when you have the power of SCIENCE!?

Seriously though, the Mechanicus has always been an organization that doesn't do "practical".

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Accolade wrote:
Da Butcha wrote:
Accolade wrote:
Well the robot eyes makes sense if you just replace them. But if you take off the eyelids and have to supply a constant supply of "oils and unguents" then it's just another thing you have to supply them with beyond food and water. I can just imagine the oil line the soldiers have to stand in... ("yeah, my shooting needs to be recalibrated, I'm overdue for an oil change.")

Again, I don't really care, it's more funny than anything. It just seems silly and unnecessarily Grimderp.

It might make sense if the equipment and weapons are more important and valuable than the pile of meat inhabiting them. If it's really, really important to maximize the number of shots your Plasma fusil (or whatever) gets, then the cost of zipping some meathead into the suit, slicing off his eyelids, and misting his eyeballs for the battle might be fine, especially if he's not expected to live through it, or you plan on rendering him down into corpse starch later.

It's an improbable economy, but not a completely incoherent one. Now, if you plan on having the guy in service for 5 years, yes, it's probably grimdark for grimdark's sake.

Alright, I'll do this.

It's not just the "we don't care about people! Grimdark!" that's an issue, although there are obvious issues behind that pertaining to materials, training time, resources consumed, etc. etc...you can get around some of that with cloning (sort-of), so I'll just leave that alone.

In the frame of a battle, your body will speed up blinking significantly beyond its typical 300 milliseconds (closer to 100). It'll take another 500-600 milliseconds to perceive an image, turn and fire a weapon (I'm using information from research on trained baseball players swinging a bat, which I think correlates well-enough to a well-trained soldier). So you'd be looking at a small improvement in blinking/perceiving...that is, *if* blinking couldn't be manually controlled. Because it can be manually controlled, a soldier would just control the blinking reflex a times of high stress. You aren't just blinking like a crazy person when shooting at someone/someone shooting at you. The "oiled" eyes wouldn't really provide a benefit in battle, and outside of battle they'd be a tremendous waste of resources, as you have to simulate the constant washing of natural tears...PLUS you'd have to take out all of the nerves corresponding to tearing reflex so that it doesn't mix with the oil.

So combining the oils, unguents, and visors results in a lot of production for a process that really isn't helpful. I know people will say "well they're AM, they don't understand technology" but they DO understand economy- this process is huge waste of their resources and something they wouldn't want to do.

Now, actual bionics are their own other thing, but cutting off eyelids because grimdark doesn't make for a compelling concept.

IIRC you actually blink less when you're concentrating more. Blinking less is part of how you can increase your reading rate for example. There is a downside though, as you basically fill your brain's buffer on information if you go too long without blinking. My only guess is that they'd replace that part of the brain with an implant to counter this problem.

Is it a practical solution to increasing the perception of their soldiers? Not really. But it fits the Ad Mech's methodology to everything: really impractical solutions for small problems.

Yeah, I'm sure the AdMech wouldn't want to lose a fight because their Skitarii couldn't see what they were shooting at until their biomechanical eye lenses were done buffering because you know it's going to stall out right at like 78% at the most inopportune time.

**RedFox**

ClockworkZion wrote:
RedFox wrote:
They would look so great along Vostroyan, similar color scheme, wood guns... very fluffy too, as Vostroya is a Mechanicum forge world right?

Vostroya is an Industriual world. Basically they make equipment like lasguns, bullets, power packs, and stuff like that. They may make tanks too, but I'm not 100% on that.

Basically they're like a diet Forge World.

but they do have strong ties to the adeptus machanicus i think

guess it's time to finally give in and buy those metal troops....because they're never gonna go plastic

**ClockworkZion**

RedFox wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
RedFox wrote:
They would look so great along Vostroyan, similar color scheme, wood guns... very fluffy too, as Vostroya is a Mechanicum forge world right?

Vostroya is an Industriual world. Basically they make equipment like lasguns, bullets, power packs, and stuff like that. They may make tanks too, but I'm not 100% on that.

Basically they're like a diet Forge World.

but they do have strong ties to the adeptus machanicus i think

guess it's time to finally give in and buy those metal troops....because they're never gonna go plastic

Oh they do have a decent standing with the Mechanicus last I recall, I was just explaining their status.

And there are days I think they'll go plastic before Sisters. *resets sundial*

**RedFox**

ClockworkZion wrote:
RedFox wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
RedFox wrote:
They would look so great along Vostroyan, similar color scheme, wood guns... very fluffy too, as Vostroya is a Mechanicum forge world right?

Vostroya is an Industriual world. Basically they make equipment like lasguns, bullets, power packs, and stuff like that. They may make tanks too, but I'm not 100% on that.

Basically they're like a diet Forge World.

but they do have strong ties to the adeptus machanicus i think

guess it's time to finally give in and buy those metal troops....because they're never gonna go plastic

Oh they do have a decent standing with the Mechanicus last I recall, I was just explaining their status.

And there are days I think they'll go plastic before Sisters. *resets sundial*

sisters are coming, molds have been seen, your day will come !

found some vostroya info:

the planet is considered an "Industrial World" by the Imperium of Man, because it does not quite meet the legally defined requirements to be considered an Adeptus Mechanicus-ruled Forge World, but it is not quite like an independently-governed Imperial Hive World either. Like all Forge Worlds, Vostroya has deep ties with the Adeptus Mechanicus, but because it is not ruled entirely by the Priesthood of Mars, it is not classified as one of their worlds. The origins of this unusual arrangement can be found in the Age of Strife, when Vostroya was the rare independent world that swore allegiance to Mars, rather than be settled by a colony of Tech-priests as was the norm for almost all of the other Forge Worlds. After declaring its allegiance to the Mechanicus, Vostroya quickly developed into a heavily industrialised world with the influx of Mechanicus personnel and technological knowledge. Under Imperial rule, the output of the many Vostroyan manufactorums now provide war materiel for the Emperor of Mankind's massive war machine.

**inquisitorlewis**

RedFox wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
RedFox wrote:
They would look so great along Vostroyan, similar color scheme, wood guns... very fluffy too, as Vostroya is a Mechanicum forge world right?

Vostroya is an Industriual world. Basically they make equipment like lasguns, bullets, power packs, and stuff like that. They may make tanks too, but I'm not 100% on that.

Basically they're like a diet Forge World.

but they do have strong ties to the adeptus machanicus i think

guess it's time to finally give in and buy those metal troops....because they're never gonna go plastic

Please do start buying them up. I am waiting for that stock to sell out completely. I am sitting on a boatload of Vostroyans that will never see paint. I would prefer to not lose money on them when I sell.

A lot of people are commenting on the price of the walkers. It is kind of salty, but the troop packs have decent value. Less for troops, more for support units I guess. I suspect online discounters will sell far more of these than GW online.

I am hopeful that we will see a HQ option for this force. Seems kind of silly not to include any kind of HQ choice.

**unmercifulconker**

I love the ranger with the long LONG ass rifle. The leadbelcher spray will be most welcome indeed.

I might have to get some just to paint but then again I said that about the Harlequins and now I own a Dark Eldar and Eldar army.

Id love to mix them up with my Templars for an Armageddon force. Even though Templars dislike them, I dont suppose they like anyone who doesnt serve the Emperor first.

Next I need some Steel Legion models.

**Verviedi**

First, I will finish my Tau.
First, I will finish my Tau.
First, I will finish my Tau.
*Looks at Skitarii*
TAU. *Disables images and begins weeping*

**RedFox**

inquisitorlewis wrote:
RedFox wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
RedFox wrote:
They would look so great along Vostroyan, similar color scheme, wood guns... very fluffy too, as Vostroya is a Mechanicum forge world right?

Vostroya is an Industriual world. Basically they make equipment like lasguns, bullets, power packs, and stuff like that. They may make tanks too, but I'm not 100% on that.

Basically they're like a diet Forge World.

but they do have strong ties to the adeptus machanicus i think

guess it's time to finally give in and buy those metal troops....because they're never gonna go plastic

Please do start buying them up. I am waiting for that stock to sell out completely. I am sitting on a boatload of Vostroyans that will never see paint. I would prefer to not lose money on them when I sell.

How about selling some to me ?

unmercifulconker wrote:
I love the ranger with the long LONG ass rifle. The leadbelcher spray will be most welcome indeed.

I might have to get some just to paint but then again I said that about the Harlequins and now I own a Dark Eldar and Eldar army.

Id love to mix them up with my Templars for an Armageddon force. Even though Templars dislike them, I dont suppose they like anyone who doesnt serve the Emperor first.

Next I need some Steel Legion models.

is there anyone that the black templars doesn't dislike ?

**plastictrees**

The eyelids thing seems exactly right for the AM and the IoM in general.
TechPriest0045 "I have invented goggles that enhance ballistic accuracy by 50%. Beep."
TechPriest0068 "Brilliant! Boop."
0045 "...but blinking makes them explode. Bzzt."
0067 "So...back to the drawing slate? Vrrrm."
0045 "..."
0067 "ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha"
0045 "ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha"
0067 "I will fetch the eyelid shears. Honk."
0045 "Indeed. Bloop."

**Verviedi**

plastictrees wrote:
The eyelids thing seems exactly right for the AM and the IoM in general.
TechPriest0045 "I have invented goggles that enhance ballistic accuracy by 50%. Beep."
TechPriest0068 "Brilliant! Boop."
0045 "...but blinking makes them explode. Bzzt."
0067 "So...back to the drawing slate? Vrrrm."
0045 "..."
0067 "ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha"
0045 "ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha"
0067 "I will fetch the eyelid shears. Honk."
0045 "Indeed. Bloop."

Spit on the keyboard. GG.

**drbored**

plastictrees wrote:
The eyelids thing seems exactly right for the AM and the IoM in general.
TechPriest0045 "I have invented goggles that enhance ballistic accuracy by 50%. Beep."
TechPriest0068 "Brilliant! Boop."
0045 "...but blinking makes them explode. Bzzt."
0067 "So...back to the drawing slate? Vrrrm."
0045 "..."
0067 "ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha"
0045 "ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha"
0067 "I will fetch the eyelid shears. Honk."
0045 "Indeed. Bloop."

It's the honk that sells it. Comedy gold.

**notprop**

That needs to be submitted to GWs freelance writer application address to see what the official reaction is.

**CthuluIsSpy**

So...the striders have to keep moving otherwise they can't move again...so how do they construct or transport them?
That doesn't seem right, even by wh40k standards.

**Tannhauser42**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So...the striders have to keep moving otherwise they can't move again...so how do they construct or transport them?
That doesn't seem right, even by wh40k standards.

Giant, stationary bicycles?

**ClockworkZion**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So...the striders have to keep moving otherwise they can't move again...so how do they construct or transport them?
That doesn't seem right, even by wh40k standards.

Apparently they don't construct them anymore.

**Co'tor Shas**

I'd imagine so.

**CthuluIsSpy**

ClockworkZion wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So...the striders have to keep moving otherwise they can't move again...so how do they construct or transport them?
That doesn't seem right, even by wh40k standards.

Apparently they don't construct them anymore.

Well that would solve one dilemma, but how are they transported? What if they get stuck in mud, or super glue?
Seems like one hell of a design flaw.

**plastictrees**

Maybe it's the little guy that can't stop moving? So they can disconnect him from the legs and he just keeps kicking, but the whole thing doesn't have to keep going?

**CthuluIsSpy**

plastictrees wrote:
Maybe it's the little guy that can't stop moving? So they can disconnect him from the legs and he just keeps kicking, but the whole thing doesn't have to keep going?

Yeh, that would make a bit more sense. It would also work thematically; to the Admech humans are just inferior machines, so having a "component" that's sole function is to keep a larger machine working would make sense to them.

**Paradigm**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Well that would solve one dilemma, but how are they transported?

Hamster wheels. Giant, cog-shaped, Machine-spirited, Mechanicus-sanctioned Hamster Wheels....

In Next Week's White Dwarf:

Introducing the new Skullwheel for the Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarri faction. This innovative and uniquely rounded design that bears no resemblance to any human construct allows the ~~Knights Of Cydonia~~ Sydonian Dragoons to be transported to new arenas, such as the Realm of Battle or a Sector Imperialis (sold separately) to do battle with their enemies.

Rules for this unit type, the first Vehicle for Vehicles in Warhammer 40,000, can be found overleaf, and thanks to our rigourous consideration over lunch as to how they function, are certain to cause absolutely no confusion whatsoever.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Paradigm wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Well that would solve one dilemma, but how are they transported?

Hamster wheels. Giant, cog-shaped, Machine-spirited, Mechanicus-sanctioned Hamster Wheels....

In Next Week's White Dwarf:

Introducing the new Skullwheel for the Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarri faction. This innovative and uniquely rounded design that bears no resemblance to any human construct allows the ~~Knights Of Cydonia~~ Sydonian Dragoons to be transported to new arenas, such as the Realm of Battle or a Sector Imperialis (sold separately) to do battle with their enemies.

Rules for this unit type, the first Vehicle for Vehicles in Warhammer 40,000, can be found overleaf, and thanks to our rigourous consideration over lunch as to how they function, are certain to cause absolutely no confusion whatsoever.

Oh sweet void dragon, that's hilarious.
"In addition, you can combine these skullwheels to make the skulltank. Tank chassis sold separately"

**plastictrees**

I also like the idea of the rider bracing himself and then engaging the 'engine' and lurching forward.

**ClockworkZion**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So...the striders have to keep moving otherwise they can't move again...so how do they construct or transport them?
That doesn't seem right, even by wh40k standards.

Apparently they don't construct them anymore.

Well that would solve one dilemma, but how are they transported? What if they get stuck in mud, or super glue?
Seems like one hell of a design flaw.

From what I read it's not a design flaw but a problem that arose from losing the design. They don't know how to start them or build new ones anymore.

**CthuluIsSpy**

So basically, they forgot where the on button is.

**warboss**

plastictrees wrote:
I also like the idea of the rider bracing himself and then engaging the 'engine' and lurching forward.

Maybe he's just preparing to look over from the box cover at his own price?

**Yodhrin**

ClockworkZion wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So...the striders have to keep moving otherwise they can't move again...so how do they construct or transport them?
That doesn't seem right, even by wh40k standards.

Apparently they don't construct them anymore.

Well that would solve one dilemma, but how are they transported? What if they get stuck in mud, or super glue?
Seems like one hell of a design flaw.

From what I read it's not a design flaw but a problem that arose from losing the design. They don't know how to start them or build new ones anymore.

Wait, so first the price and the rules make no sense, and now the fluff and rules make no sense? The Mechanicus venerate technology; if presented by ancient tech they can no longer construct or even start up again if it stops, what possible reason would they have for actually using them in war where they could be blown up(because they're barely better than mass-produced Sentinels) and lost forever, or trip over a bloody boulder, stop walking, and become a big useless pile of scrap?

This is the problem with modern GW, they just don't have any clue when to stop, and absolutely zero self-awareness. That kind of fluff should be a background paragraph about a machine there's no model or profile for, which is strictly limited to marching around on ceremonial duty outside some Martian forge, used as a jokey emphasis of the Mechanicus' always weird, occasionally batgak-insane attitude to technology - not as the actual background for a bloody war machine we're expected to believe is being deployed all over the place and is actually effective. Ugh.

**ClockworkZion**

Yodhrin wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So...the striders have to keep moving otherwise they can't move again...so how do they construct or transport them?
That doesn't seem right, even by wh40k standards.

Apparently they don't construct them anymore.

Well that would solve one dilemma, but how are they transported? What if they get stuck in mud, or super glue?
Seems like one hell of a design flaw.

From what I read it's not a design flaw but a problem that arose from losing the design. They don't know how to start them or build new ones anymore.

Wait, so first the price and the rules make no sense, and now the fluff and rules make no sense? The Mechanicus venerate technology; if presented by ancient tech they can no longer construct or even start up again if it stops, what possible reason would they have for actually using them in war where they could be blown up(because they're barely better than mass-produced Sentinels) and lost forever, or trip over a bloody boulder, stop walking, and become a big useless pile of scrap?

This is the problem with modern GW, they just don't have any clue when to stop, and absolutely zero self-awareness. That kind of fluff should be a background paragraph about a machine there's no model or profile for, which is strictly limited to marching around on ceremonial duty outside some Martian forge, used as a jokey emphasis of the Mechanicus' always weird, occasionally batgak-insane attitude to technology - not as the actual background for a bloody war machine we're expected to believe is being deployed all over the place and is actually effective. Ugh.

I think it's a good time to mention the 40k mantra (inspired by the MST3K mantra): It's just a game.

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The fluff people are getting mad about btw:

The walkers have to keep moving at all times or they will never move again as the Mechanicum don't understand the construction properly.

**Deadawake1347**

Not to try and sound over dramatic, but it's not "just a game." I'm not sure you could say 40K has ever been "just a game", which is something I would attribute more to something like checkers.

The whole point of the fluff is to make it more than just a game, it's a constructed universe housing the collective works of thousands of people. Every piece of fluff adds to that, either positively or negatively. In this case, negatively, as it makes no sense whatsoever for this to be a weapon of war if it's so incredibly unstable that having it stand still for a few seconds will result in it never moving again.

Edit: Now I'm just imagining it running in place if it needs to stand still for transport or to take cover, like a little kid doing the "I need to go potty" dance.

**Medium of Death**

It makes me angry to think somebody got paid for writing that.

**BrianDavion**

eh I figure it'll be something that gets forgotten about by time they're featured in a novel, or used to make for a cool and intreasting plot hook.