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 Yodhrin wrote:


Nonsense. You contradict your own point right there in the second sentence; they are religiously obsessed with preserving technology, its discovery and continued existence is their primary goal, and while they would doubtless have great respect for what they interpret the intended purpose of a machine spirit to be, it runs completely contrary to their core aims to use a piece of technology in a situation which would inevitably lead to it being lost forever. Perpetually marching these things around outside a forge as a showy piece of ceremony isn't using them to their full potential, but it does ensure they will continue to exist, it isn't "discarding" them; taking them into war continually when they can't be repaired or even switched on again if they trip over a sodding rock is mad - not from our perspective, but from theirs.

Every bit of fiction I can recall about these kinds of irreplaceable technologies in 40K points to them only ever being used in the most dire of circumstances when literally every other option had been exhausted and the alternative was total defeat - deploying them as a frontline combat unit in the Mechanicus' army, in a role that requires them to run right up to the enemy and bash them over the noggin, is moronic. If they were merely rare or difficult to build/fix, fine, sure, the Imperium does that all the time with Terminator suits etc, but the fact they're impossible to fix and can't even be restarted if they stall out or fall over, that might just be the silliest bit of fluff GW have written in recent years, and that is a high bar to clear.

Well, considering these things are presumably built using an ancient STC, as all Dark Age Imperial technology is, they shouldn't be too irreplaceable. I just presume that, desite deing able to produce them, the knowledge of how to properly operate and maintain the machines has been lost to history.

GW just can't help themselves - they're like 'Rimmer' from Red Dwarf; anytime things are going well, they just can't deal with sucess and deliberately mess up to get back in their comfort zone.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
Skitarii book is on a par with the militarum tempestus book

I've been told it isn't.


Can't say any more than that though...

I hope you're right. I want to see a codex with a ton of options.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Let's accept that an undead psychic super-skeleton rules the universe via legions of genetically manipulated, surgically-altered walking tank people with a Greco-Roman fashion fixation, but let's hotly debate whether unguents and oils are a suitable eyelid replacement.

GO TEAM!

Hey now, I just said it was a silly concept and then people started trying to rationalize GW's thought process. I had to try to clear that up!

 Accolade wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Let's accept that an undead psychic super-skeleton rules the universe via legions of genetically manipulated, surgically-altered walking tank people with a Greco-Roman fashion fixation, but let's hotly debate whether unguents and oils are a suitable eyelid replacement.

GO TEAM!

Hey now, I just said it was a silly concept and then people started trying to rationalize GW's thought process. I had to try to clear that up!

You're giving the mechanicus too much credit and sort of missing one of the overarching themes of 40k here.

 kronk wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
Skitarii book is on a par with the militarum tempestus book

I've been told it isn't.


Can't say any more than that though...

I hope you're right. I want to see a codex with a ton of options.

He didn't say that because it wasn't on par that it meant that it was better....

 Yodhrin wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
Not to try and sound over dramatic, but it's not "just a game." I'm not sure you could say 40K has ever been "just a game", which is something I would attribute more to something like checkers.

The whole point of the fluff is to make it more than just a game, it's a constructed universe housing the collective works of thousands of people. Every piece of fluff adds to that, either positively or negatively. In this case, negatively, as it makes no sense whatsoever for this to be a weapon of war if it's so incredibly unstable that having it stand still for a few seconds will result in it never moving again.


Edit: Now I'm just imagining it running in place if it needs to stand still for transport or to take cover, like a little kid doing the "I need to go potty" dance.

At the end of the day it is just a game though. As much as I like the fluff I recognize it being like cartoons from the 80s: it exists to sell toys. Besides, the point is that it's all fiction and nerd raging about fiction is something I that basically just waste my time. I'd rather accept it being a thing and move on and focus on the things I like instead. It's a lot less frustrating to me.

It's just a game to you. If that's all you get out of it, and all you want to get out of it, knock yourself out. For some of us, the only reason we give even the slightest gak about the game is the fiction, so seeing the fiction diminished also diminishes our enjoyment, and we're perfectly entitled to take that view and express it. If reading our "nerd raging" frustrates you, perhaps you can muster up some of that Zen attitude and leave folk to make their comments without trying to imply their view is invalid or petty.

If you're going to get overly emotionally invested in what is basically a tool for selling models, you're going to have a bad time.

I'm not saying not to enjoy the fiction, or that nothing is worth enjoying, I'm saying to not take it so damn seriously when it does something you don't like. You'll live longer if you're not in a constant state of agitation over it.

 RedFox wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I love the ranger with the long LONG ass rifle. The leadbelcher spray will be most welcome indeed.

I might have to get some just to paint but then again I said that about the Harlequins and now I own a Dark Eldar and Eldar army.

Id love to mix them up with my Templars for an Armageddon force. Even though Templars dislike them, I dont suppose they like anyone who doesnt serve the Emperor first.

Next I need some Steel Legion models.

is there anyone that the black templars doesn't dislike ?

I dont think there is, I mean they honour those who fight like them and highly respect them, but actually 'like' someone, I dont think Templars have that emotion.

I love looking at those rangers, pretty plastic, wonder what's coming next.

Is it time to make Speed 3: Adeptus Mechanicus?

Hey guys, I just removed my eyelids and tried oiling them witha bit of WD40 and now I'm in quite a lot of pain and the hospital refuses to intone The Litany Of Pain or the Prayer Of Unblinking Sight. What should I do? Anyone got the number of a good Techpriest? Sorry for ay typos, there really is quite a lot of blood and I'm pretty much touh-typing here...

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 RedFox wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I love the ranger with the long LONG ass rifle. The leadbelcher spray will be most welcome indeed.

I might have to get some just to paint but then again I said that about the Harlequins and now I own a Dark Eldar and Eldar army.

Id love to mix them up with my Templars for an Armageddon force. Even though Templars dislike them, I dont suppose they like anyone who doesnt serve the Emperor first.

Next I need some Steel Legion models.

is there anyone that the black templars doesn't dislike ?

I dont think there is, I mean they honour those who fight like them and highly respect them, but actually 'like' someone, I dont think Templars have that emotion.

I love looking at those rangers, pretty plastic, wonder what's coming next.

Is it time to make Speed 3: Adeptus Mechanicus?

They get along with the Sisters of Battle just fine. Everyone else can feth off.

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

The Forgeworld thing we knew was coming for a while.

Plastic HH... look, I dunno why people keep talking about it. It's been refuted by lots of reputable groups (like Lords of Wargaming) and if it is coming, it won't be for a long time.

Warhams-77 wrote:

We had heard from shops for a long time (since 2011 or even 2009 (SH 3rd Ed)) Games Workhop doesn't inform anyone including their own shops about future products except when product can already be ordered. So that has changed recently?

Some of the GW employees are better informed than others, and some of them are huge fan boys themselves and can't help but gossip about what they have heard, in a completely unofficial, and probably unprofessional, manner. They tell a person, who tells a friend, who posts something online.

I don't know what's funnier, the idea of the admech using a machine that can't stop, or how agitated people are getting over it.

Requizen wrote:

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

The Forgeworld thing we knew was coming for a while.

Plastic HH... look, I dunno why people keep talking about it. It's been refuted by lots of reputable groups (like Lords of Wargaming) and if it is coming, it won't be for a long time.

It hasn't been refuted, they just say "not in May". That said, it's supposed to be some kind of stand alone game first before seeing release as plastic kits so it's possible we're going to see the game soon.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Requizen wrote:

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

The Forgeworld thing we knew was coming for a while.

Plastic HH... look, I dunno why people keep talking about it. It's been refuted by lots of reputable groups (like Lords of Wargaming) and if it is coming, it won't be for a long time.

It hasn't been refuted, they just say "not in May". That said, it's supposed to be some kind of stand alone game first before seeing release as plastic kits so it's possible we're going to see the game soon.

Well, their exact words were "gak, you will see a Tau codex before you see plastic Horus Heresy", so meaning "maybe coming out by the end of the year... maybe". Doesn't really sound like "confirmed" to me.

Saying your rumor was "confirmed" is a great way to get traction on an unsubstantiated rumor. The only things in that list I believe is "more paint colors" and "1010 copies of the limited ed mechanicus codex" since that's the kind of cute thing GW like to do.

 Las wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Let's accept that an undead psychic super-skeleton rules the universe via legions of genetically manipulated, surgically-altered walking tank people with a Greco-Roman fashion fixation, but let's hotly debate whether unguents and oils are a suitable eyelid replacement.

GO TEAM!

Hey now, I just said it was a silly concept and then people started trying to rationalize GW's thought process. I had to try to clear that up!

You're giving the mechanicus too much credit and sort of missing one of the overarching themes of 40k here.

I don't think so. There's a difference between not understanding (and then venerating) technology, whilst sill being able to reproduce it without a true understanding its intrinsic qualities, and banging hunks of metal together yelling "Praise the Omnissiah!" to create a clear pictures of how backwards technology is in the 40k universe. There has to be some level of understanding going on, even if it's misunderstood as mystical.

And while the AM might be zealous and backwards in their understanding of technology, they certainly understand basic concepts of economy. It goes back to the walker having to always move- it would make more sense (yet still be backwards in thinking) to have those things running around on Mars showing off the glories of the AM instead of running into a battlefield, where their inability to ever stop would result in them being destroyed post-haste. It's not going to look good for some Magos if he lets all of his chicken walkers get sacrificed in one battle when he could have used Skitarii, or Land Raiders, or something that is at least more reliable rather than his precious relics. It's a separation between faith (in the machines) and preservation of important materials.

I just feel there is a lot of nuance that can be shown in the AM beyond these most recent showcasings in lore, where they seem to be throwing their materials into the meat grinder as fast as possible while shouting venerations to the Machine God. To have them be completely nutters to the point where they are literally psychopaths creates this lack of plausibility that ANY race could be stopped by them, let alone the super-advanced races like the Eldar and Necrons. The Imperium fights a lot of losing battles, but if the people controlling things are just yelling "durrrrr, technology!" then it would just be stories of all of the humans being massacred instantaneously with no ability to fight back, and the human race would have been extinguished. And I realize we're talking about a really crazy fiction universe, but there has to be *some* level of feasibility present.

Obviously there is some level of understanding, we have Space Marines and intergalatic travel and supply chains and government and everything else that goes with a (semi)functioning society. To bring AM to the point of cave-people only knowing how to bow down to a machine is to more indicative of the type of people that currently write 40k fiction and is less to do with the actually functionality of the AM. I think appearances of AM forces in books (i.e. Dark Mechanicus) show that there is something greater than just veneration there, but the tendencies towards conservative thought in technology and a lack of true understanding are what impede the Imperium from showing significant improvement.

Just my thoughts on the topic, take or leave it. I think the eyelid removal thing was more of an excuse to say "this is what grimdark looks like!", lacking any of the sort of subtlety that was (sometimes) present in older fluff. At the end of the day, it's obviously entirely inconsequential, but I think I am perfectly fine in saying that this particular piece of fluff is daft and on par with stuff like Khornate Knights.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Hey guys, I just removed my eyelids and tried oiling them witha bit of WD40 and now I'm in quite a lot of pain and the hospital refuses to intone The Litany Of Pain or the Prayer Of Unblinking Sight. What should I do? Anyone got the number of a good Techpriest? Sorry for ay typos, there really is quite a lot of blood and I'm pretty much touh-typing here...

I'm afraid you'll need these replacements. But if you Have Bionic eyes you don't need ears right?, I take ears now, Bionics come in 2 - 6 weeks!

Requizen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Requizen wrote:

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

The Forgeworld thing we knew was coming for a while.

Plastic HH... look, I dunno why people keep talking about it. It's been refuted by lots of reputable groups (like Lords of Wargaming) and if it is coming, it won't be for a long time.

It hasn't been refuted, they just say "not in May". That said, it's supposed to be some kind of stand alone game first before seeing release as plastic kits so it's possible we're going to see the game soon.

Well, their exact words were "gak, you will see a Tau codex before you see plastic Horus Heresy", so meaning "maybe coming out by the end of the year... maybe". Doesn't really sound like "confirmed" to me.

We'll see, but I don't expect see the HH game being part of the normal release cycle and thus can get away with being early, while the stand-alone model release will be much later.

But that's just my guess.

Mmm. Cool models. I'll definitely be picking up at least one box of infantry to paint up. I'll wait for the book before I expand them further though...

I was just starting to get on top of my painting backlog and then BA and now this happen. Emperor save me if Death Watch or Sisters happen this year.

D

The chicken is slowly growing on me although I would have much prefered a tracked or multi legged walker.
Not digging the troops though, too many cloaks for me.

So the white "line with tiny boxes" pattern on the cloaks of the Rangers and Vanguard, the typical mechanicus cloak pattern, are those painted on or did they use decals? I've never been able to get straight lines/geometric shapes to be that crisp.

Probably painted. Youd have to have a unique set of decals for each set of legs, probably not worth it.

BrianDavion wrote:

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

I'd take that a lot more seriously if he wasn't peddling the Horus heresy plastics stuff

I would take that a lot more seriously if it was only the paint “rumor” .
And then again, “GW will release new plastic kits for 40k before the year is over” is a rumor too. Can you track me on it, Pretre?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

drbored wrote:
To add more wood to the fire:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
+Forgeworld on main site confirmed
+ Plastic HH confirmed
+All resin kits are to be getting a plastic upgrade before 2017
+This is one of the "Red weeks"
+More paint colors to come before the year is over
+the limited edition of the mechanicum codex will be limited only to 1010

I'd take that a lot more seriously if he wasn't peddling the Horus heresy plastics stuff

I would take that a lot more seriously if it was only the paint “rumor” .
And then again, “GW will release new plastic kits for 40k before the year is over” is a rumor too. Can you track me on it, Pretre?

Yep, but that'd put you at 0/0/1 immediately.

 Tyr13 wrote:
Probably painted. Youd have to have a unique set of decals for each set of legs, probably not worth it.

Not necessarily, I think the decals come in strips that you can cut down to size for each torso.

 scuzz_bucket wrote:
I don't know what's funnier, the idea of the admech using a machine that can't stop, or how agitated people are getting over it.

Definitely the latter.

If they had female space marines, people would be burning books as well.

They're up!

 Paradigm wrote:
Rules for this unit type, the first Vehicle for Vehicles in Warhammer 40,000, can be found overleaf, and thanks to our rigourous consideration over lunch as to how they function, are certain to cause absolutely no confusion whatsoever.

I halfway skimmed the first part of that as I was looking away and somehow I got

"Runes for the rune priest" Wait, what? Who are we talking about, whut?