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 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Oryza Sativa wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Need translations! Where are zee Germans?

I second this.

I'm here! What do people need translated? I guess I can't just transcribe the whole sheet verbatim on this forum.

You can.

Well...

Both statlines are WS/BS 3, S/T 5, W2, I3, A1, Ld8.

Kataphron Breachers

Equipment: Kataphron Assault Armor (3+), Heavy Arc Rifle, Arc Claw
Special Rules: Canticles of the Omnissiah, Very Bulky

Options:
- Add up to 9 additional models for 50 pts each.
- Each model may replace Heavy Arc Rifle with Torsion Cannon(?) for free
- Each model may replace Arc Claw with Hydraulic Claw for 10 pts each

Kataphron Destroyers
Equipment: Kataphron Half-Armor (4+), Plasma Culverin, Phosphor Blaster
Special Rules: Canticles of the Omnissiah, Very Bulky

Options:
- Add up to 9 additional models for 55 pts each
- Each model may replace Plasma Culverin with Heavy Grav Cannon for free
- Each model may replace Phosphor Blaster with Cognis Flamer for 5 pts each

The special move/fire rule is Heavy Battle Servitors:
"Models with this rule may not run, but can fire up to two weapons in the Shooting phase. These models count as stationary when firing Heavy or Salvo weapons, even if they moved in the previous Movement phase, and may charge in the same turn that they fired Rapid Fire, Salvo or Heavy weapons."

Excellent models.

I'm wondering what a cognis flamer will do.

Pretty!

Warhams-77 wrote:
EDIT: No these are the rules from the previous issue, mea culpa


These are the weapon rules it seems. I have no idea what these weapons are called in english

RW = range / DS = AP




@HBMC

Pretty sure those are the rules from a previous WD, because it doesn't have any of the Kataphron options in it.

Comparing these to the next unit that comes to mind:
DAAttack bikes for 55 Pts with a Multi Melta.

You get +1 BS, WS, A and I, although -1 str (as if this matters on these)
Krak and Frag Grenades
12" movement
Ability to turbo boost, scout, outflank and hit and run

Those weapons better pack some serious punch, otherwise they're not gonna be worth fielding, despite the pretty models.

Not sold on most of this release, though I do really want one of those HQ clamp packs, if only to have an Auxilia Enginseer scuttle around the table pulling off repairs while blurting "TWO LEGS WERE INEFFICIENT AS A MEANS OF MOTIVE POWER"

Wrong pic. That looks like the Skitarii weapon rules in German

Edit - super ninja'd lol

Oryza Sativa wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Oryza Sativa wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Need translations! Where are zee Germans?

I second this.

I'm here! What do people need translated? I guess I can't just transcribe the whole sheet verbatim on this forum.

You can.

Well...

Both statlines are WS/BS 3, S/T 5, W2, I3, A1, Ld8.

Kataphron Breachers

Equipment: Kataphron Assault Armor (3+), Heavy Arc Rifle, Arc Claw
Special Rules: Canticles of the Omnissiah, Very Bulky

Options:
- Add up to 9 additional models for 50 pts each.
- Each model may replace Heavy Arc Rifle with Torsion Cannon(?) for free
- Each model may replace Arc Claw with Hydraulic Claw for 10 pts each

Kataphron Destroyers
Equipment: Kataphron Half-Armor (4+), Plasma Culverin, Phosphor Blaster
Special Rules: Canticles of the Omnissiah, Very Bulky

Options:
- Add up to 9 additional models for 55 pts each
- Each model may replace Plasma Culverin with Heavy Grav Cannon for free
- Each model may replace Phosphor Blaster with Cognis Flamer for 5 pts each

The special move/fire rule is Heavy Battle Servitors:
"Models with this rule may not run, but can fire up to two weapons in the Shooting phase. These models count as stationary when firing Heavy or Salvo weapons, even if they moved in the previous Movement phase, and may charge in the same turn that they fired Rapid Fire, Salvo or Heavy weapons."

Thanks! I wonder what the heavy arc rifles profile is.

 Swara wrote:
I'm wondering what a cognis flamer will do.

Dunno. The other Cognis waepons allowed BS2 on snap shots, right? On a flamer, maybe it's twin-linked? Or 1d3+1 on snap shots?

I have no idea.

 Thairne wrote:
Comparing these to the next unit that comes to mind:
DAAttack bikes for 55 Pts with a Multi Melta.

You get +1 BS, WS, A and I, although -1 str (as if this matters on these)
Krak and Frag Grenades
12" movement
Ability to turbo boost, scout, outflank and hit and run

Those weapons better pack some serious punch, otherwise they're not gonna be worth fielding, despite the pretty models.

I can not and will never think this way.
I do not play math-hammer or power hammer and will never understand or really enjoy playing with people that do.
I watched someone over the weekend play a list of Draigo-Star allied with Screamer-Star....wtf is that crap.
Yes I am sure it is strong as hell and can be brutal but fluffwise it is broken as can be and gamewise it is just...
Looking through every new release for the biggest numbers and the most broken units so that they can be mixed with the other mathematically broken units is just not fun to me and using that as a metric for what is a good release or a good kit ....no.

 buddha wrote:


Thanks! I wonder what the heavy arc rifles profile is.

I'm more interested in what the torsion cannon is. Or if the plasma weapon is a heavy version. Or how may shots a *heavy* grav cannon has.

I wonder what the feth a heavy grav canon is.

Centurions pack grav canons not heavy grav canons and they are salvo 3/5... these could be salvo 4/7 or better or maybe they are 3/5 but with longer range.

Very curious!


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 BloodGrin wrote:

 Thairne wrote:
Comparing these to the next unit that comes to mind:
DAAttack bikes for 55 Pts with a Multi Melta.

You get +1 BS, WS, A and I, although -1 str (as if this matters on these)
Krak and Frag Grenades
12" movement
Ability to turbo boost, scout, outflank and hit and run

Those weapons better pack some serious punch, otherwise they're not gonna be worth fielding, despite the pretty models.

I can not and will never think this way.
I do not play math-hammer or power hammer and will never understand or really enjoy playing with people that do.
I watched someone over the weekend play a list of Draigo-Star allied with Screamer-Star....wtf is that crap.
Yes I am sure it is strong as hell and can be brutal but fluffwise it is broken as can be and gamewise it is just...
Looking through every new release for the biggest numbers and the most broken units so that they can be mixed with the other mathematically broken units is just not fun to me and using that as a metric for what is a good release or a good kit ....no.

That's not even close to what he suggested though. All he did was a comparison, keep calm mate.

 BloodGrin wrote:

 Thairne wrote:
Comparing these to the next unit that comes to mind:
DAAttack bikes for 55 Pts with a Multi Melta.

You get +1 BS, WS, A and I, although -1 str (as if this matters on these)
Krak and Frag Grenades
12" movement
Ability to turbo boost, scout, outflank and hit and run

Those weapons better pack some serious punch, otherwise they're not gonna be worth fielding, despite the pretty models.

I can not and will never think this way.
I do not play math-hammer or power hammer and will never understand or really enjoy playing with people that do.
I watched someone over the weekend play a list of Draigo-Star allied with Screamer-Star....wtf is that crap.
Yes I am sure it is strong as hell and can be brutal but fluffwise it is broken as can be and gamewise it is just...
Looking through every new release for the biggest numbers and the most broken units so that they can be mixed with the other mathematically broken units is just not fun to me and using that as a metric for what is a good release or a good kit ....no.

It is your choice, but playing DA made me very sensitive to getting tabled on turn 3, so I at least evaluate on what my next army can do.
I will get them for sure, but I better be prepared to not win a game with these... again.

And they count as standing still for salvo.. so.. 5-7 grav shots.. mm

 Red Corsair wrote:
I wonder what the feth a heavy grav canon is.

Centurions pack grav canons not heavy grav canons and they are salvo 3/5... these could be salvo 4/7 or better or maybe they are 3/5 but with longer range.

Very curious!

Why do they even have salvo. the only way to get cannon versions so far are on things that have SNP or what looks to be relentless.

Also loving these models.
looks suitably admechy. and easy to convert for many other projects.

Cognis flamer I believed was revealed with the Kastelan rules to be a torrent 4/5 flamer

I gotta say, if that BS4 ignore cover formation is forreals, bejeezus, the alpha strike damage it can do...

I like the look of the armored troops way more than in armored but have a feeling I will like the offensive power of the un-armored ones more. Dilemma! Lol.

Looks like they will be picked of very easy. Small model count, the more armoured ones have a better save but one blast weapon if you are unlucky and dead...

But I really do like them.

I bust GW's balls a lot, but there is no other wargaming company out there that can produce plastic models at this level of detail. It's pretty impressive. Aesthetics, rules design, and price aside, of course

Heavy Grav cannon is probably something like Salvo 2/4 small blast

Grav blast? Hmm not sure if want, though no reason to expect it to be different than the Centurion Grav Cannon, probably just more shots

But man swaping the grav for free and a phospor blaster lets make your cover save worse then hit you with grav!

They're Admech Centurions and look a lot better

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Heavy Grav cannon is probably something like Salvo 2/4 small blast

That would be hilarious...

4 small-blasts, coming from each model... using the "ignores cover" formation, turns them into super Centurion, Wyvern, anti-Eldar awesomesauce. :-p

An Astartes Grav-cannon is salvo 2/4 at 24"

 BrookM wrote:
An Astartes Grav-cannon is salvo 2/4 at 24"

Thats the grav gun profile i believe, grav cannons are 3/5 salvo 24"

Im hoping the heavy grav has longer range, could live with 36" salvo 3/5, so it has the same reach as the phospor blaster

via Atia and Others
The previews for next week say:
- Electrifying
- Lords of Mars let loose
- An exclusive formation

So sounds like next week is the electro priests and pimp priest mc pimpcane and probably the cult codex

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
An Astartes Grav-cannon is salvo 2/4 at 24"

Thats the grav gun profile i believe, grav cannons are 3/5 salvo 24"

Im hoping the heavy grav has longer range, could live with 36" salvo 3/5, so it has the same reach as the phospor blaster

Whoops, 3/5 for the cannon, 2/3 for the gravity gun.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And they have visibly different chest-plates as well. The 3+ ones literally have more armour. Nice touch.

I'm somewhat surprised that the poster sheet of all the units didn't include both units. It included all the other possible dual builds. Gives me hope for the Electro Priests.

Anyway, Hail Mars.

yeah I really like the models, Im ecstatic that Ill get some extra chests for conversions too!

gonna be a great release!

Someone on B+C just posted this


http://i.imgur.com/KrCazbf.jpg

Grav is salvo 4/6 30 range
Arc is 2 shots at 36 inches