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Rather than let every single 40k rumours thread get clogged with sisters talk can we please make this the offical sisters of battle argument thread?

Personally im a yay as i think the more diversity the better in the 40k game

I'm a yay because I already have spent so much on sisters models that I dont want to not have the option to play them.

Squatting SoB would be such an act of poor faith on the part of a GW who already has a mediocre rep as a price-gouging, anti-consumer bunch, that I feel like even they know it isn't something they can do.

I feel like the next six months will be incredibly telling though. A new Codex and/or kits being released will either happen soon, or they will just let SoB languish forever as a barely-supported, but not officially killed-off, faction.

The only nays I've ever seen were people who didn't "get" Sisters.

So naturally I'm a "yay".


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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Squatting SoB would be such an act of poor faith on the part of a GW who already has a mediocre rep as a price-gouging, anti-consumer bunch, that I feel like even they know it isn't something they can do.

I feel like the next six months will be incredibly telling though. A new Codex and/or kits being released will either happen soon, or they will just let SoB languish forever as a barely-supported, but not officially killed-off, faction.

Frankly I'm at the point were if they're going to kill the army they need to either do it, or update it already. This half-assed inbetween nonsense is hurting their player base more than killing it straight out could.

Criteria for this question seem a bit vague.


- Do I believe a nicely made Sisters release (Codex, Plastics, etc..) would be a good thing? Yay.

- Do I believe it will happen in the foreseeable future (e.g. next 12 months or so)? Nay.

Yay or nay for what? If you're going to create a thread to move discussion from other threads you need to put a bit more effort in for the benefit of those of us who weren't following those other threads

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The only nays I've ever seen were people who didn't "get" Sisters.

So naturally I'm a "yay".


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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Squatting SoB would be such an act of poor faith on the part of a GW who already has a mediocre rep as a price-gouging, anti-consumer bunch, that I feel like even they know it isn't something they can do.

I feel like the next six months will be incredibly telling though. A new Codex and/or kits being released will either happen soon, or they will just let SoB languish forever as a barely-supported, but not officially killed-off, faction.

Frankly I'm at the point were if they're going to kill the army they need to either do it, or update it already. This half-assed inbetween nonsense is hurting their player base more than killing it straight out could.

Oh, I agree fully, I just don't think GW has the balls to put SoB players out of their misery, which is a damn shame.

The wife and I just spent $500 on SoB as a self-contained army, and also to be the "missing half" of my Grey Knights... and you know what? It is offensive to my player sensibilities that SoB don't have a proper Codex but GK do. My GK is even less fleshed out and thought-through than the SoB Digital-Dex, and yet it got a full release. Insane.

This will never be "official" . Hell this won't even be "unofficial" since the battles will still go on in other threads, even when it's not about SoB.

I say yeah, it will happen one day. Maybe like my beloved Toronto Maple Leafs winning the Stanley Cup, maybe not in my lifetime, but yeah it should happen one day.

Or hell freezes over. Then again Leafs will win the Cup when that happens.

They are a big part of the fluff. They have a large following and larger number of fans. GW would make a killing on promoting them and producing plastics of them.
Will GW see this and follow up on it? I doubt it.

Didn't Sisters of Battle get a digital Codex in 2014?
It has Relics, Formations and Warlord Traits.

It is quite an awesome eBook.

EVIL INC wrote:They are a big part of the fluff. They have a large following and larger number of fans. GW would make a killing on promoting them and producing plastics of them.
Will GW see this and follow up on it? I doubt it.

There is the problem. Promoting. GW doesn't do any promoting.

Kangodo wrote:Didn't Sisters of Battle get a digital Codex in 2014?
It has Relics, Formations and Warlord Traits.

It is quite an awesome eBook.

First time I read that it's an awesome eBook. I keep reading complaining or saying it's sub par. Never excellent or fun.

Sadly if plastic Sisters ever do come out, I am sure it would have been better to stat them years ago since it will be cheaper to buy them in metal than it is in plastic. Sisters will not take off because only the die hards will be willing to pay the premium price GW will be charging for Sisters when they are released.

We are getting a Harlequin codex with new models, and we got three more armies from out of nowhere, Imperial Knights, Militarum Tempestus, and Crimson Slaughter, all with new models. There is no reason why GW can't make a Sisters of Battle Codex.

The question I would imagine GW is asking is, "How much can we make from a Sisters of Battle remake?"

I'm pretty sure Militarum Tempestus was a lukewarm release at best. I don't think I've ever even seen one fielded- but that's just anecdotal evidence, as my local play group is only about 50 players or so. I don't have the market numbers GW has. On the other hand, Imperial Knights has been a great success based on how many lists on the interwebs and local players I've seen with a Knight in them. I've seen more Crimson Slaughter armies then Chaos armies. Once again, anecdotal evidence suggests Crimson Slaughter is more popular/out selling regular Chaos armies.

If the Harlequin codex does well, and I'm pretty sure it will even if it's a craptastic pile of poo, then we'll see a Adepta Soroitas codex by the end of the year.

Consider- there have long been rumors of plastic Sisters for a while now. They have at least three Rhino chasis tanks, HQ's, Saraphim fast attacks, which are pretty iconic, Elites, Heavy Support, it's a no brainer that Saint Celestine would be a Lord of War choice- could they use a little more? Sure, but when you really look at it, the Sisters of Battle have a more fully fledged order of battle then the Grey Knights!

It's not really a matter of IF GW will make a new codex for them, but WHEN GW will make a new Codex for them.

I have faith in this, even when GW gives me no reason to have faith. But isn't that what faith is? The belief in something when all logic and reason says it shouldn't exist?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Squatting SoB would be such an act of poor faith

I see what you did there. Well played.

GW may think that SoB is not worth the effort.
A new Marine codex and Marine miniature releases would sell much better.

 wuestenfux wrote:
GW may think that SoB is not worth the effort.
A new Marine codex and Marine miniature releases would sell much better.

I was trying to show that the work is pretty much done. New models? Check (there have long been rumors of new plastic SoB's completed and waiting for production from GW). Art work? GW is pretty much recycling all the art work these days, and units are now being shot with actual models and not artwork. That leaves the rules- and GW could crank those out in a weekend over a couple pints (which is probably how they make a lot of the rules these days...). Layout is nothing- they have a ton of fluff to work off already, they take some snapshots of the new models, throw in some recycled artwork, and Bob is your Uncle. They could probably announce the army tomorrow, and by the end of the week, have full production going.

I doubt we will see a new Space Marine codex this year. Probably early 2016- but 8th edition will probably roll out in 2016, so new Space Marine codex will be second half of 2016.

GW has pretty much exhausted the Space Marine model line unless they start expanding into Forge World territory. Then again, GW could surprise us with something new- like they did with the Centurions (shudder).

 Tamwulf wrote:
We are getting a Harlequin codex with new models, and we got three more armies from out of nowhere, Imperial Knights, Militarum Tempestus, and Crimson Slaughter, all with new models. There is no reason why GW can't make a Sisters of Battle Codex.

The question I would imagine GW is asking is, "How much can we make from a Sisters of Battle remake?"

I'm pretty sure Militarum Tempestus was a lukewarm release at best. I don't think I've ever even seen one fielded- but that's just anecdotal evidence, as my local play group is only about 50 players or so. I don't have the market numbers GW has. On the other hand, Imperial Knights has been a great success based on how many lists on the interwebs and local players I've seen with a Knight in them. I've seen more Crimson Slaughter armies then Chaos armies. Once again, anecdotal evidence suggests Crimson Slaughter is more popular/out selling regular Chaos armies.

If the Harlequin codex does well, and I'm pretty sure it will even if it's a craptastic pile of poo, then we'll see a Adepta Soroitas codex by the end of the year.

Consider- there have long been rumors of plastic Sisters for a while now. They have at least three Rhino chasis tanks, HQ's, Saraphim fast attacks, which are pretty iconic, Elites, Heavy Support, it's a no brainer that Saint Celestine would be a Lord of War choice- could they use a little more? Sure, but when you really look at it, the Sisters of Battle have a more fully fledged order of battle then the Grey Knights!

It's not really a matter of IF GW will make a new codex for them, but WHEN GW will make a new Codex for them.

I have faith in this, even when GW gives me no reason to have faith. But isn't that what faith is? The belief in something when all logic and reason says it shouldn't exist?

I think that GW will show the sisters some love eventually. Remember that Dark Eldar sat around in obscurity forever as well.

Also, as a clarification Crimson Slaughter is not a stand-alone army, and it got no model release. It's a supplement just like the Black Legion one, and the Tau Farsight Enclaves, etc. It happens to be popular because it actually makes a few extra units somewhat viable, and also has better artifact options. Chaos players are playing "supported Legions"; the vast majority of us (from my personal experience and forum reading) don't give two sh*** about Crimson Slaughter, they just happen to be the best book to play the army. CSM players want legion representation, not Crimson Slaughter.

Kangodo wrote:

It is quite an awesome eBook.

Not really. The formations are Apoc only (and aren't that good), they nerfed AoF, nerfed Repentia, removed Kyrinov as a character, and have yet to fix Celestians, Penitent Engines or the Canoness. We still only have one HQ choice and what makes a good army list really hasn't changed since 3rd save for Immolators being less useful (no fire points and the heavy flamer can only move 6" and fire).

Oh and the Canoness can only take 1 relic, but a Diagolus can take as many as she wants.

Seriously, it's not a good rule set. The art is nice though and the fluff is decent.

I have some hope for the Sisters.

I think this because they have some super kick ass fluff in the new Leviathan book, and there is a "rumored" necron combo box coming from GW later this year. My hope is that this is a Sisters/Necron Sanctuary 101 type thing. It would also help GW determine whether or not to release a sisters line of new sculpts by testing the water with a limited release, but it will also serve to heavily propagate small squads of sisters into peoples collections, making them even more likely to go out and expand on that army, or at least buy the codex.

Hm. It comes down to what you want, though. I, for once, would prefer for my army to not be as strong if the fluff was good and not butchered.

I disagree, I love the eCodex. Yes, it has its problems, but so do all codices. Saying that the whole book is rubbish because of a weak Elites section is like saying that codex: Space Marines is worthless because Terminators and Vanguard Veterans are bad.

Kangodo wrote:
Didn't Sisters of Battle get a digital Codex in 2014? It is quite an awesome eBook.

I agree, my SoB are deadly with it. But why isn't the thing available in paper? I'd rather have a real paper book (same length and width as my rulebook) than have to drag my pad around or check the Codex on my android phone.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Hm. It comes down to what you want, though. I, for once, would prefer for my army to not be as strong if the fluff was good and not butchered.

I think statwise and rules wise they are in an OK place. Sisters just need some tweaks and probably a few more units to pick from (something like scouts maybe? or a sister version of Scions, they are trained at the same scholas!) Definitely make penitent engines better walkers or MCs. Also give sisters access to some things they deserve, like a flyer (avenger anyone?!) and maybe stuff like predators. Even better, maybe something like the Devil Dog or Knight Errant's melta cannon in a rhino or pred chassis would go a long way to stay fluffy but make them more interesting and variable.

And land raiders, sisters need them some land raider love for their repentia.

 generalchaos34 wrote:
I have some hope for the Sisters.

I think this because they have some super kick ass fluff in the new Leviathan book, and there is a "rumored" necron combo box coming from GW later this year. My hope is that this is a Sisters/Necron Sanctuary 101 type thing. It would also help GW determine whether or not to release a sisters line of new sculpts by testing the water with a limited release, but it will also serve to heavily propagate small squads of sisters into peoples collections, making them even more likely to go out and expand on that army, or at least buy the codex.

Snap fit Sisters would solve their sculpting issues while putting them in plastic. It would be the best way to test the waters for sure.

Sadly I don't think it'll be happening. :(


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
I disagree, I love the eCodex. Yes, it has its problems, but so do all codices. Saying that the whole book is rubbish because of a weak Elites section is like saying that codex: Space Marines is worthless because Terminators and Vanguard Veterans are bad.

The thing is other books have a deeper selection of units to draw from which solves the issue of a unit in a section sucking. Sisters don't have that depth which is why the codex is in a worse position.

I'm a fan of all factions (some more than others) so I have to say "Yay". Each one brings something unique to the table.

But they aren't going to scrap the sisters. If they did that they'd have to re-write some of the Imperium's history such as the Age of Apostasy.

Also the last time they scrapped an army (squats for 40k and chaos dwarves for fantasy) I heard the back-lash was quite severe from the player base. If that is true then they will be hesitant to do it again (which would also be killing some of their revenue. GW is a business, they like money after all).

But it does seem to me like GW is trying to reduce the sisters to a support army like the Tempestus Scions and Inquisition, that is they function well on their own but they work even better with allies to fill any gaps or areas they will be lacking in (preferably imperial allies given the way the allies matrix falls).

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The thing is other books have a deeper selection of units to draw from which solves the issue of a unit in a section sucking. Sisters don't have that depth which is why the codex is in a worse position.

On the other hand it does have kick-ass units to use. Basic battle sister squads are incredible for their price, and no one is going to say Dominions, Seraphim or Exorcists aren't good. The downside is anyone familiar with them knows what you'll bring, be it a friendly match or a tournament.

Spetulhu wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The thing is other books have a deeper selection of units to draw from which solves the issue of a unit in a section sucking. Sisters don't have that depth which is why the codex is in a worse position.

On the other hand it does have kick-ass units to use. Basic battle sister squads are incredible for their price, and no one is going to say Dominions, Seraphim or Exorcists aren't good. The downside is anyone familiar with them knows what you'll bring, be it a friendly match or a tournament.

Battle Sisters are over priced by at least 2ppm. And they lack any sort of bonus for taking more than 10 models (namely extra weapon options at 15 and 20).

Sisters also lack any sort of access to a kind of pie plate or blast weapon which makes some kind of armies are a really bad match up because of it (Guard and Tau are especially a pain because of it). I'm all for the fluff of the army and the weapon restriction, but something needs to be done to honor that fluff while adding in some kind of way to mitigate how poorly the army deals with armies that can bring more bodies than the Sisters can.

I'm not saying you can't have fun with Sisters, but at the same time there is a lot that can bring that enjoyment down.

If they did drop the Sisters, it would be in a way that leaves them available in the background material, but simply unsupported on the tabletop, putting them in a position similar to that of the Adeptus Mechanicus or the Custodes.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
If they did drop the Sisters, it would be in a way that leaves them available in the background material, but simply unsupported on the tabletop, putting them in a position similar to that of the Adeptus Mechanicus or the Custodes.

True, but they may be bringing Mechanicus back as a mini-dex (which would be the first time they've had rules since 2nd ed IIRC).

Yea. They're great models, that slim power armour allows for a totally different look to marines. I wish I could say the same about their armoury -apart from the odd chainsaw wielding priest its mostly just bolters, flamers and meltas. That puts me off them a bit. I don't much like the look of exorcists or penitent engines either.

 generalchaos34 wrote:
I have some hope for the Sisters.

I think this because they have some super kick ass fluff in the new Leviathan book, and there is a "rumored" necron combo box coming from GW later this year. My hope is that this is a Sisters/Necron Sanctuary 101 type thing. It would also help GW determine whether or not to release a sisters line of new sculpts by testing the water with a limited release, but it will also serve to heavily propagate small squads of sisters into peoples collections, making them even more likely to go out and expand on that army, or at least buy the codex.

Please please GW release a sanctuary 101 box set , it would be awesome. One of my favorite stories, some nice scenery included would be a bonus.....would be an interesting twist to a space hulk type game, add some additional life into an already popular specialist game.