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 Furyou Miko wrote:
I disagree, I love the eCodex. Yes, it has its problems, but so do all codices. Saying that the whole book is rubbish because of a weak Elites section is like saying that codex: Space Marines is worthless because Terminators and Vanguard Veterans are bad.

The thing is other books have a deeper selection of units to draw from which solves the issue of a unit in a section sucking. Sisters don't have that depth which is why the codex is in a worse position.

See, I would argue Grey Knights are even MORE monobuild, and similarly only have three stand-out units (Dread Knights, Purifiers, and Librarian, so even fewer "good" options than SoB), and yet we got a full book release.

No... this just feels like GW being random and capricious. SoB are literally as complete or better than the state GK find themselves in, but are treated even more poorly in terms of release support.

Although every rumor thread gets hijacked by SoB chatter, every SoB thread eventually gets hijacked by misogyny/why-do-we-have-boobplates chatter? It's really a no-win situation when Sisters players start talking

 the_Armyman wrote:
Although every rumor thread gets hijacked by SoB chatter, every SoB thread eventually gets hijacked by misogyny/why-do-we-have-boobplates chatter? It's really a no-win situation when Sisters players start talking

You forgot the inevitable hijacking by people mocking Sisters players for being Sisters.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Although every rumor thread gets hijacked by SoB chatter, every SoB thread eventually gets hijacked by misogyny/why-do-we-have-boobplates chatter? It's really a no-win situation when Sisters players start talking

You forgot the inevitable hijacking by people mocking Sisters players for being Sisters.

But...Thats Heresy!

 ClockworkZion wrote:


Oh and the Canoness can only take 1 relic, but a Diagolus can take as many as she wants.

Why would you be upset at the rules providing you the perfect opportunity to field such an awesome model as the Dialogus?



Oh yeah, now I remember

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
Frankly I'm at the point were if they're going to kill the army they need to either do it, or update it already. This half-assed inbetween nonsense is hurting their player base more than killing it straight out could.

Oh, I agree fully, I just don't think GW has the balls to put SoB players out of their misery, which is a damn shame..

I've never understood this mindset.

You'd rather not be able to play with your miniatures than continue to be allowed to play with them?

I mean, it makes sense to want new models. But wanting to be "put out of your misery" seems a bit silly. To what end? What purpose would that serve anyone? How do you, the player, benefit from being "put out of your misery", and how does GW benefit from dispatching you?

Though there's some amusing symmetry there, with the army of martyrs being played by players predisposed to martyrdom.

Especially when they have such a huge money maker ready made along with a huge customer base begging for it so that they can literally start throwing money at them. Holding back because of the principle of not wanting to admit they made a mistake in not doing it sooner is just funny.

I would start a small Sisters contingent or even army with a new codex/ plastic models so yay!

Would it kill GW to give the sisters the Land Raider ? The Inquisition, Adeptus Mechanicus and every Astartes faction has access to it. I've never seen a faction that has access to the rhino, but not the land raider. If you're going to give them one instrument of the emperors divine wrath, you might as well give them the other one too.

Or is the land-raider too much ?

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Would it kill GW to give the sisters the Land Raider ? The Inquisition, Adeptus Mechanicus and every Astartes faction has access to it. I've never seen a faction that has access to the rhino, but not the land raider. If you're going to give them one instrument of the emperors divine wrath, you might as well give them the other one too.

Or is the land-raider too much ?

You mean giving the Sisters an assault transport? Allowing them to get some real use out of Repentia without having to ally in a Land Raider?

Makes too much sense for GW to consider.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I just don't think GW has the balls to put SoB players out of their misery.

I've never understood this mindset. You'd rather not be able to play with your miniatures than continue to be allowed to play with them? How do you, the player, benefit from being "put out of your misery", and how does GW benefit from dispatching you?

Who knows? Maybe it's the words of a player who wants a paper Codex and GWs "cheap" plastic models available in GW stores? There's five Space Marine armies with books and lots of plastic kits that can be used for them all but SoB still have only metal infantry and one full plastic kit, the Immolator. Paying hard cash for 20 year old metal molds when some armies get a new plastic kit every few months does feel a bit wrong. If the company isn't willing to invest in them then maybe they should let it go and let players find another army or quit.

Spetulhu wrote:
The downside is anyone familiar with them knows what you'll bring, be it a friendly match or a tournament.

This is the main problem for me. Sisters have around half the number of options of other released codices, so any weak choice really hurts. While the HQ section has a number of good options, there are none in the elite, the one and only in troops, and two each is FA and Heavy.

While I love playing my Sisters, I feel really constrained in building a list even for friendly games. I know allying in other Imperial forces is an easy fix, but I want the Sisters to be able to stand on their own two feet and not have to play very similar compositions all the time.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
See, I would argue Grey Knights are even MORE monobuild, and similarly only have three stand-out units (Dread Knights, Purifiers, and Librarian, so even fewer "good" options than SoB), and yet we got a full book release.

No... this just feels like GW being random and capricious. SoB are literally as complete or better than the state GK find themselves in, but are treated even more poorly in terms of release support.

GK have plastc kits. IK have plastic kits. Scions have plastic kits. They all have printed codices. Sisters do not have plastic kits (well, except for the incinerator), and they do not get plastic kits. Coincidence? Maybe, but not so sure.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
You'd rather not be able to play with your miniatures than continue to be allowed to play with them?

I mean, it makes sense to want new models. But wanting to be "put out of your misery" seems a bit silly. To what end? What purpose would that serve anyone? How do you, the player, benefit from being "put out of your misery", and how does GW benefit from dispatching you?

Basically, it is easier to give up on hope when someone else is doing forcing you to it, than when you have to do it by yourself. But really, anyone who is wanting to be “put out of her/his misery” should start another army, possibly in another game (very happy with Warmachine here). Then just keep an eye for a possible release in the future, without all the stress. You will feel better and happier. Trust me.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Why would you be upset at the rules providing you the perfect opportunity to field such an awesome model as the Dialogus?

Spoiler:

Oh yeah, now I remember

She looks like a nerd .

Sisters exclusive Lord of War when ?

Since they made characters like Dante and Ghazgkhull Lords of War, whats stopping them from doing the same for Celestine ?

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
Frankly I'm at the point were if they're going to kill the army they need to either do it, or update it already. This half-assed inbetween nonsense is hurting their player base more than killing it straight out could.

Oh, I agree fully, I just don't think GW has the balls to put SoB players out of their misery, which is a damn shame..

I've never understood this mindset.

You'd rather not be able to play with your miniatures than continue to be allowed to play with them?

I mean, it makes sense to want new models. But wanting to be "put out of your misery" seems a bit silly. To what end? What purpose would that serve anyone? How do you, the player, benefit from being "put out of your misery", and how does GW benefit from dispatching you?

Though there's some amusing symmetry there, with the army of martyrs being played by players predisposed to martyrdom.

I'd rather they just pull the plug than keeping a slowly dying model line on life support if they have no intention of actually doing anything with it. At least then I'd know if I'm wasting my time or not anymore.


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the_hanged_man wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:
The downside is anyone familiar with them knows what you'll bring, be it a friendly match or a tournament.

This is the main problem for me. Sisters have around half the number of options of other released codices, so any weak choice really hurts. While the HQ section has a number of good options, there are none in the elite, the one and only in troops, and two each is FA and Heavy.

While I love playing my Sisters, I feel really constrained in building a list even for friendly games. I know allying in other Imperial forces is an easy fix, but I want the Sisters to be able to stand on their own two feet and not have to play very similar compositions all the time.

It's been my biggest complaint too. If every choice was at least equally useful then I'd be happy because I wouldn't be shoehorned into a single list all the time. I mean it's still be a limited codex with a slowly dying model line but I'd have *options* for a change.


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The Imperial Answer wrote:
Sisters exclusive Lord of War when ?

Since they made characters like Dante and Ghazgkhull Lords of War, whats stopping them from doing the same for Celestine ?

Not much, but Celestine is going to need EW to be worth a LoW slot. That or get her old rule back where she can keep coming back indefinitely because having a T3 HQ model who can only come back once and can instagib to a single S6 isn't worth a LoW slot.

I'd kinda like to see her be more of a MC style HQ to represent the Emperor's Might flowing through her instead of keeping her purely human (basically make her as tough and strong as a Demon Prince but keep her other stats, the wargear and AoF and we're basically set), but I get why they don't do that either (namely because she'd actually be a threat to more than T4+ models whom Sisters typically wound on 5s.).

I could see Celestine as a low...

 pretre wrote:
I could see Celestine as a low...

I can too, just not with her current stats and rules. She doesn't have enough "oomph" for the position, right now.

Even now, it'd be cool. I could take Jacobus, priests and Celestine in one ally slot.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I could see Celestine as a low...

I can too, just not with her current stats and rules. She doesn't have enough "oomph" for the position, right now.

That's well within reason for them to do. It surprised me she didn't have stats of a greater daemon at-least when I read about her.

Also they can do what they did for Captain Tycho and give her two characters. One the usual Celestine (pre-disappearance), the other a Lord of War Celestine (post-disappearance).

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:


Though there's some amusing symmetry there, with the army of martyrs being played by players predisposed to martyrdom.

best quote of the thread so far.

I just hope GW doesn't Squat the Sisters. As long as they're an army, it's good.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I just hope GW doesn't Squat the Sisters. As long as they're an army, it's good.

This. If played them with a lot worse rules than we have now and smaller unit selection.

I'm all for a Sisters codex and model update, I've literally been saving some money for the day,

my one problem with them at the moment is flyers... sure you can take a aegis line and problem solved but that takes out a single character (cannones) or a unit (battle squad) from the equation but they still don't have any units that can combat a flyer on the field

 captain bloody fists wrote:
I'm all for a Sisters codex and model update, I've literally been saving some money for the day,

my one problem with them at the moment is flyers... sure you can take a aegis line and problem solved but that takes out a single character (cannones) or a unit (battle squad) from the equation but they still don't have any units that can combat a flyer on the field

Well if you can use Forge World, the Avenger Strike Fighter is actually a pretty good unit.

Hop over to the tactics thread for that discussion.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/558526.page

The long and the short of it is, however, that I generally do one of two things with flyers when I play pure sisters:
- Ignore them
- Out maneuver them and ignore them

Once everyone else is dead, I take potshots with Exorcists at them.

I (and others including art least one GW store manager) was somewhat confused by the recent Shield of Baal and its treatment of the Sisters of Battle:

On one hand:
Stunning New artwork
Really good writing and loads of it.
Not only do many survive but they kick serious ass whilst doing it.
Several in book scenarios where one side is purely Sororitas.

On the other hand:
Not a single new rule, character, formation, nothing.

So it was - "here look at this awesome army, see and read about them kicking ass, be inspired and ..........nothing."

If it had been a curb stomp - I would have understood that they were phasing them out, would have been both very annoyed and deeply saddened but understood, but this I just don't get?

Sisters of Battle not getting brutally slaughtered in a book? Wow GW, way to break with the fluff.










....that wasn't serious. Calm down sisters.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I (and others including art least one GW store manager) was somewhat confused by the recent Shield of Baal and its treatment of the Sisters of Battle:

On one hand:
Stunning New artwork
Really good writing and loads of it.
Not only do many survive but they kick serious ass whilst doing it.
Several in book scenarios where one side is purely Sororitas.

On the other hand:
Not a single new rule, character, formation, nothing.

So it was - "here look at this awesome army, see and read about them kicking ass, be inspired and ..........nothing."

If it had been a curb stomp - I would have understood that they were phasing them out, would have been both very annoyed and deeply saddened but understood, but this I just don't get?

I know, I swear it seems like everyone *except* the rules team was excited for Sisters for this one. I mean not even a Canoness Grace or Superior Amity profile?

It sounds like a clear statement from GW

1) SoB are not going away, they are part of the game world and are staying put

but

2) Don't expect to see anything new any time soon

although with the no mini - no rules policy that they've got now since the chapterhouse case point 2 is not as certain than it would previously have been

I mean, it would be good to have ANY army with females in it. Not saying that all girls wouldn't want to play SM, persay, but the could relate more to a female army I believe. However, GW is already cutting SoB. I mean, look at it: £50 for a single Battle Sister squad, twice as much as a SM Tac, and almost 3x as much as an IG infantry squad, and those all include 10 models. GW have also done away with the physical Codex for the SoB, only digital editions now.

IN closing, I believe that if GW doesn't want to fully commit to the SoB as an army, they should just stop producing them, as eventually it will only hurt them as a company.