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Any thing new on the female Extremist?

 Jihadin wrote:
Any thing new on the female Extremist?

Only confused random gak

http://www.jpost.com/International/Suspected-female-accomplice-in-Paris-attacks-thought-to-be-in-Syria-387323
http://www.euronews.com/2015/01/10/armed-and-dangerous-french-police-step-up-search-for-girlfriend-of-suspected-/

If she crossed into Syria on the 2nd February from Turkey and has been tracked as still there, she wasn't in Paris for the shooting and isn't on the run from the kosher market attack.

 Orlanth wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Any thing new on the female Extremist?

Only confused random gak

http://www.jpost.com/International/Suspected-female-accomplice-in-Paris-attacks-thought-to-be-in-Syria-387323
http://www.euronews.com/2015/01/10/armed-and-dangerous-french-police-step-up-search-for-girlfriend-of-suspected-/

If she crossed into Syria on the 2nd February from Turkey and has been tracked as still there, she wasn't in Paris for the shooting and isn't on the run from the kosher market attack.

I've total lack of anything to say...type....imagine...gaf.....

 Jihadin wrote:
Any thing new on the female Extremist?

She may not apparently have even been in the country at the time. Lot of conflicting accounts on this so far.

 Chongara wrote:
A suicide bomber does go out with self-destruction intended as the first and primary means of engagement. That's why it at least feels different to me than some of the examples you're putting forward. The the suicides bomber's death is both means and end.

How is a forlorn hopes express purpose for being there any different? You're being sent to die, and the best you can reasonably hope for is to achieve your objective before doing so. In either case, if you live, it's a minor miracle.

Suicide bombers are generally on the wrong side of an asymmetric war. They don't kill themselves because they want to, but because it furthers the objectives of their side and they don't have better options. The japanese didn't start their kamikaze attacks until they realized they were losing. Forlorn hope is pretty much the same thing.

There are a lot of questions that need asking about ID'ing the attackers.

1. How many at the Charlie Hebdo attack, was it three or four.

2. Who was the 'third' gunman, the brother in law fingered, Hamyd Mourad who handed himself in to police, was at college in Charleville-Mézières at the time of the attacks (200km away from Paris) and numerous witnesses have alibis for him.
he has not been charged, but police have made no statementws saying he was cleared.

3. Where did the third gunman split from the Kouachi brothers?

4,. Did the Kouachi brothers and the third gunman split after Cherif Kouachi realised he left his ID card in the first getaway car. In order to make a clean getaway, (Allowing for the method of swift attack and escape via multiple vehicles I believe the Kouachi brothers were intended to hit and fade away. It would therefore make sense that the third gunman was not someone immediately identifiable as an accomplice of the Kouachi brothers and could himself fade away, or at least make a go of it.)

5. Was Amedy Coulibaly, the kosher grocery shooter the third attacker? How was he connected and in communication with the Kouachi brothers during the events?

6. Who was the woman with him? If it wasn't Hayat Boumeddiene, who is allegedly in Syria during the entire event. Or is evidence of her being in Syria false? Could the sighting of a woman with Amedy Coulibaly be accidental i.e. a Moslem woman encountered approached spoke to him during the attacks and went on her way unharmed could be misinterpreted as an accomplice by eyewitnesses.


It looks to me that we have five separate persons suspected of involvement in two sets of attacks, and two are still at large.

 Orlanth wrote:

5. Was Amedy Coulibaly, the kosher grocery shooter the third attacker? How was he connected and in communication with the Kouchi brothers during the events?

It looks to me that we have five separate persons suspected of involvement in two sets of attacks, and two are still at large.

There may be more to come: http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/01/11/11/37/terror-cells-activated-as-slain-cop-s-family-pleads-for-unity-and-calm

The connection may only have been the plan to hold terrorist attacks in concert to increase the impact of the situation. I'm hoping things go smoothly for the french, as this may not be over just yet.

 Jihadin wrote:
Any thing new on the female Extremist?

She's unlockable in the story for $4.99.

German newspaper building that re-printed the cartoons has been set on fire this morning. Noone harmed, low overall damage.

Don’t know if this has been posted here yet.

The citizens of France are out on the streets, showing a strong and united front.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30765824


Other good news.

Cherif Kouachi's brother-in-law, named as Mourad Hamyd, reportedly handed himself in to police but was released without charge and denounced the violence on Sunday. "

This attack is horrific - a horrible crime", he told AFP news agency.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Try living in poverty, under constant threat of further eviction, for several generations, and come back to me.

The Middle East in general was on a track towards gradually liberalising and allowing women to have a greater role (one of the first Palestinian commandos who hijacked a plane was female) before the creation of Israel. The complete failure of the more secular rulers in the region to destroy Israel lead to the drift towards extremism, which continued after the US invasion of Iraq.

Suicide bombing, especially forced suicide bombing, is abhorrent. Doing what was done to the Palestinians and is still being done to the Palestinians is also abhorrent.

So you're blaming Israel for the fact that Muslims treat women like gak?

Wow, now I've heard it all.

That "move toward extremism" had very little to do with Israel, and a lot more to do with the corruption of secular Arab leaders, who were trying to rule over populations with which they were religiously incompatible (Saddam was a Sunni and Iraq is 2/3 Shia, Assad is a Shiite and Syria is 2/3 Sunni).

Yes its Israel's fault Boko Haram is killing thousands in Nigeria, Er what???

 Frazzled wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Try living in poverty, under constant threat of further eviction, for several generations, and come back to me.

The Middle East in general was on a track towards gradually liberalising and allowing women to have a greater role (one of the first Palestinian commandos who hijacked a plane was female) before the creation of Israel. The complete failure of the more secular rulers in the region to destroy Israel lead to the drift towards extremism, which continued after the US invasion of Iraq.

Suicide bombing, especially forced suicide bombing, is abhorrent. Doing what was done to the Palestinians and is still being done to the Palestinians is also abhorrent.

So you're blaming Israel for the fact that Muslims treat women like gak?

Wow, now I've heard it all.

That "move toward extremism" had very little to do with Israel, and a lot more to do with the corruption of secular Arab leaders, who were trying to rule over populations with which they were religiously incompatible (Saddam was a Sunni and Iraq is 2/3 Shia, Assad is a Shiite and Syria is 2/3 Sunni).

Yes its Israel's fault Boko Haram is killing thousands in Nigeria, Er what???

Since when is Nigeria in the Middle East?

Well they do call themselves the Al Qaeda of the West.

 Frazzled wrote:

Yes its Israel's fault Boko Haram is killing thousands in Nigeria, Er what???

I can blame Israel for a lot, but that's really not on the list. If you want to talk crimes against humanity, and are not in parts of Europe where accusing Israel of doing said is itself a crime, regardless of it's truth, then we can talk.

Apparently America "snubbed" the Paris memorial/rally thing by not sending a senior representative like Obama, Biden etc. Its a Daily Mail story so take with a bucket of salt if you must, but considering that this is effectively France's 9/11 (as close as they've gotten anyway), is not not poor form for Obama not to attend?

Eric Holder was in France, but didn't show up at the rally, from what I've heard.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Apparently America "snubbed" the Paris memorial/rally thing by not sending a senior representative like Obama, Biden etc. Its a Daily Mail story so take with a bucket of salt if you must, but considering that this is effectively France's 9/11 (as close as they've gotten anyway), is not not poor form for Obama to attend?

News Corp at it's finest, eh?

Kerry is at a summit in India right now. Obama was preoccupied with Washington, DC, but did make a personal stop at the French Embassy. The US Ambassador to France did attend. Attorney General Eric Holder, who is also currently in France did not, as he was at an Anti-terrorism Summit discussing the issue of prosecuting terrorists with his French counterpart at the time.

Hey… those golf balls ain’t gonna hit themselves, ya know.

Seriously, I can be convinced that Obama/Biden may be too busy, but we couldn't send anyone there? Seems very odd.

Did they at least send the Ambassador?

Very poor form indeed, if they didn't send the most senior representative available.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Did they at least send the Ambassador?

Very poor form indeed, if they didn't send the most senior representative available.

I've seen on twittah that the Ambassador was there... not sure if that's confirmed.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Apparently America "snubbed" the Paris memorial/rally thing by not sending a senior representative like Obama, Biden etc. Its a Daily Mail story so take with a bucket of salt if you must, but considering that this is effectively France's 9/11 (as close as they've gotten anyway), is not not poor form for Obama not to attend?

Pfft, as horrible as this is, its not even close to 9/11.

You can't compare an attack on a satirical newspaper and ensuing manhunt, which only left 20 people dead including the attackers, with an attack that completely destroys 2 iconic buildings, damaged our central military command structure, attempted to damage/destroy the White House, and left over 5000 dead.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Apparently America "snubbed" the Paris memorial/rally thing by not sending a senior representative like Obama, Biden etc.

I cannot bring myself to care. It is not like we were questioning ourselves about whether the USA support us or not. We know it does.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Apparently America "snubbed" the Paris memorial/rally thing by not sending a senior representative like Obama, Biden etc. Its a Daily Mail story so take with a bucket of salt if you must, but considering that this is effectively France's 9/11 (as close as they've gotten anyway), is not not poor form for Obama not to attend?

Pfft, as horrible as this is, its not even close to 9/11.

You can't compare an attack on a satirical newspaper and ensuing manhunt, which only left 20 people dead including the attackers, with an attack that completely destroys 2 iconic buildings, damaged our central military command structure, attempted to damage/destroy the White House, and left over 5000 dead.

So much this. I cringed so hard when people were saying this was a 9/11 equivalent. An event that completely rocked America and the West to its core and set us on a long war path.
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 whembly wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Did they at least send the Ambassador?

Very poor form indeed, if they didn't send the most senior representative available.

I've seen on twittah that the Ambassador was there... not sure if that's confirmed.

According to CNN the ambassador was there, but, let's face it, for something like this, an ambassador just doesn't cut it. You need someone with name recognition; I'm sure the average person can't even think of the name of any one US ambassador (I know I can't). Minimum, this calls for a cabinet member (or one of the Congressional leaders). Holder was in Paris, he should have been there.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Did they at least send the Ambassador?

Very poor form indeed, if they didn't send the most senior representative available.

I've seen on twittah that the Ambassador was there... not sure if that's confirmed.

According to CNN the ambassador was there, but, let's face it, for something like this, an ambassador just doesn't cut it. You need someone with name recognition; I'm sure the average person can't even think of the name of any one US ambassador (I know I can't). Minimum, this calls for a cabinet member (or one of the Congressional leaders). Holder was in Paris, he should have been there.

Well, it's not as if this administration doesn't have a long and storied history of gaffes with our allies.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Apparently America "snubbed" the Paris memorial/rally thing by not sending a senior representative like Obama, Biden etc. Its a Daily Mail story so take with a bucket of salt if you must, but considering that this is effectively France's 9/11 (as close as they've gotten anyway), is not not poor form for Obama to attend?

News Corp at it's finest, eh?

Kerry is at a summit in India right now. Obama was preoccupied with Washington, DC, but did make a personal stop at the French Embassy. The US Ambassador to France did attend. Attorney General Eric Holder, who is also currently in France did not, as he was at an Anti-terrorism Summit discussing the issue of prosecuting terrorists with his French counterpart at the time.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Apparently America "snubbed" the Paris memorial/rally thing by not sending a senior representative like Obama, Biden etc.

I cannot bring myself to care. It is not like we were questioning ourselves about whether the USA support us or not. We know it does.

Yut. Sniping back and forth aside I was always happy to see the Legion rolling out with my buddies. That's why I think it was important we have public figures there, such as the Ambassador, I also think Eric Holder made the right call, considering he was at an Anti-Terrorism Summit talking out how to better drop the hammer on gakheads like this in the future.

Looks like a German Newspaper building has been firebombed/vandalized in Germany, just a few days after it reprinted Charlie Hebdo cartoons.

Going to tap my wellspring of investigative knowledge gleaned from my Criminal Justice course from Community College and say it was some wayward, extremist Catholics unhappy with Charlie Hebdo's mocking of Christianity and the Pope. The Gunpowder Plot 2: The Gunpowdering.

What else could it be?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/11/hamburger_morgenpost_german_newspaper_that_republished_charlie_hebdo_cartoons.html



Edit: If it turns out to be Catholics, I, as a practicing Catholic denounce this cowardly act. We all know the Inquisitors are supposed to handle this stuff.

Edit2: Aw snap, Sigvatr posted about this first and I skimmed over it. :(

I seriously doubt it was Catholic motivated. Not with this timing.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Apparently America "snubbed" the Paris memorial/rally thing by not sending a senior representative like Obama, Biden etc. Its a Daily Mail story so take with a bucket of salt if you must, but considering that this is effectively France's 9/11 (as close as they've gotten anyway), is not not poor form for Obama not to attend?

Pfft, as horrible as this is, its not even close to 9/11.

You can't compare an attack on a satirical newspaper and ensuing manhunt, which only left 20 people dead including the attackers, with an attack that completely destroys 2 iconic buildings, damaged our central military command structure, attempted to damage/destroy the White House, and left over 5000 dead.

Thats the interesting thing about terror attacks, they're not solely designed to inflict casualties and collateral damage. Not saying 9/11 wasn't bad, just that there's psychology involved and a 'lesser' target can do more damage if it's the 'right' target in this context. Will need time to see how this plays out amongst the civilian population.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I seriously doubt it was Catholic motivated. Not with this timing.

Second time in this thread that my sarcasm wasn't detected. Is it too subtle?