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Hello, me and a buddy are playing a 2000p game orkz vs black templars. Its a friendly game, but we have been excalating armies for some time now, so I want a mix of fun units, but also a good working theme. This is what I`ve come up with so far. Its around 1900p so far give or take (dont have the list with me atm).

Expecting to meet Black Templars. 1 thunderfire cannon. 1 flier either razorback or stormraven. Some crazy melee challengers (last time I met a captain with with artificer armour and stormshield, struggled to kill him in melee with my best units), venerable dreadnaught. Terminators with storm shields. Landraider.

1 CAD
Mega armour warboss with lucky stick, cybork body, bosspole.
10 ard boyz with 1 nob pk in trukk
10 ard boyz with 1 nob pk in trukk
Morkanaut with KFF and grot riggers.
Battlewagon with kannon and 2x rokkits.
10xtankbustas with 2 bomb squigs.
9xwarbikers, 1 nob with pk
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Big mek with heavy armour and shokk attack gun, gitfinda, cybork.
1x mek gun with kustom mega kannon (only have one model to work with), ammo runt.
10x grots
10x slugga boyz in a trukk, nob with big choppa.
1x warboss with pk, heavy armour, bosspole
Aegisdefence line with quad gun
3xkillakans with grot blastas

MA Warboss goes in one of the trukks, other warboss in another one, or maybe with the tankbustas.
Tankbustas goes in battlewagon.
Morkanaut extends force fields to defence line on turn 1.
Grots man quad gun. Big mek and mek gun behind defence line.

Alternative stuff im considering:
2 meks and 3 burnas inside morka (I dont feel that the burnas will do that much vs SM)
Blitza bommer or dakkajet (dakkajet is better I guess, but the blitza is just hilarious).
Wierdboy
Painboy (with the small unit sizes I cant find a place for him).
Lootas behind the defence line (these are probably going to be the main thunderfire target tho).

Concerns I`m currently having: Termies and other high armour vehicles. Not having enough melee. There should be enough vehicles in this list to negate incoming AV fire?


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Might switch the morkanaut for a gorkanaut since I first envisioned the morka covering the trukks with the KFF, but dat dont work now does it?

At 2000pts, I would really say that 15 Warbikers with a Warboss Biker and a Painboy Biker are a must. You gotta remember that orks aren't that good these days anyway, so anything we have counts as "friendly".

Your Warboss already gets an armor re-roll with Da Lucky Stikk, so there's no need to have cyborg body. While I don't have the points just now, I want to suggest something like this:

1st CAD:
HQ = Warboss + Bike + PK + BP + Da Finkin Kap (warlord)
HQ = Painboy + Bike
Fast = 15 Warbikers (your list is quite speed freaky)

Troops = 10x grots + ADL + Quad Gun
Heavy = 15 Lootas + Mini HQ Mek (behind ADL)
Heavy = 1 KMK + 2 Gunners + 1 Ammo Runt.

Troops = 12 ard slugga boyz inc Nob PK + BP in a Trukk + Ram + Boarding Plank

2nd CAD:
HQ = Warboss + Mega Armor + Da Lucky Stikk + BP
Troops = 17 Slugga Boys inc Nob + PK + BP + Mini Mek
Heavy = Battlewagon + Ram + Boarding Plank + 2 Rokkits (with MADLS Warboss + Slugga Boys inside)

Troops = 12 ard slugga boyz inc Nob PK + BP in a Trukk + Ram + Boarding Plank

Elites = 10 Tankbusters + 3 Bomb Squigs (even if you don't have the 3rd one) + Painboy + BP. Preferably in a Battlewagon. Preferably 15 Tankbusters, the Painboy and 2 Meks.

NB: I don't know what points I'm at tbh. I would say that if you're taking Morky, then the extra meks inside really help to buff him. And yes, he does cover other vechiles.
NB: The MADLS Warboss works better in a Battlewagon. The boys can LOS to save him from AP1 or AP2 ranged attacks. The mini Mek and Nob can be sacrificed to save him from AP1 or AP2 challengers who can hit you faster.

If someone can give me a points count, then that would help massively.

I agree with the above stuff mentioned, except in a few instances.

I'd prefer shoota boyz with your MA DLS warboss in the wagon. Primarily because; you can be pretty sure that the battlewagon will be his prime target turn 1. You do have other AV, but I mean killa kanz wont be in range till turn 2, the morka will also be quite slow, whereas your BW will if left, that warboss is going to be assaulting turn 2 most likely.

So lets assume the wagon goes down turn 1, before you've moved it. Now you have a SnP 20 boyz blob who cant run and have sluggas. there not going to be doing much for the rest of the game. However, if given shootas you've now effectively created a unit that has a 2+ save re-rollable, with a 24" (is it 24 or 18 for shootas? - mind blank) range, atleast if they get popped they can still press forward and do work. Plus shootas in combat are still pretty darn effective, you simply lose 1 attack.

Above, you've put the mini meks in units that are elite and heavy; As far as i know, the mini meks must be prioritied to troops and artillery first, and I think this counts even for units of 12 trukk boyz that max out the vehicle. So you'd have to put them their which takes you to 13 and then they cant go in the trukks

I like the 'ard boyz, I think a unit of 'ard boyz is always good in the mix, they can be used as a slightly more beefy hammer to the rest of your boyz units. If you can get a painboy in there with them then they become a whole lot more durable.

Keep the morka - the KFF will cover your wagon and trukks turn 1. Keep some burna boyz inside for the mek repairs and so that they can jump out later. Just remember; if you disembark, the morka cant charge. So id keep them in there for more of a nasty surprise turn 3-4, great for cleaning up some already weakened units.

Unfortunately I only have 9 bikes, 10 tankbustas and 12 lootas, but I`ll aim for maksimum numbers here.

Definately doing the finking kap on the other warboss.

Probably taking your advice and getting the lootas behind the ADL to get more synergy with the ADL. Worried about the thunderfire seriously hurting the squad, but if I spread them out and maybe get some KFF coverage first turn it should be good.

I like the painboy in the bikes although I dont have the model, a standin model will have to do.

Other than that I love the orky randomness units, so I just have to keep the Big Mek with SAG. Would prefer the blitza also, but dat might be overdoing it.

Thanks for the tips!

Trillebaard wrote:
Unfortunately I only have 9 bikes, 10 tankbustas and 12 lootas, but I`ll aim for maksimum numbers here.

Definately doing the finking kap on the other warboss.

Probably taking your advice and getting the lootas behind the ADL to get more synergy with the ADL. Worried about the thunderfire seriously hurting the squad, but if I spread them out and maybe get some KFF coverage first turn it should be good.

I like the painboy in the bikes although I dont have the model, a standin model will have to do.

Other than that I love the orky randomness units, so I just have to keep the Big Mek with SAG. Would prefer the blitza also, but dat might be overdoing it.

Thanks for the tips!

Just remember, your warlord is the only warboss/big mek who can take da finkin' cap. So if your taking an MA warboss and a Big mek with SAG, id give the cap to the mek and make him your warlord. Then the warboss can take the DLS for crumpin'

Lootas indeed will be a prime target for any ignore cover shots; a question. For any rules boyz out there,
If I have a unit of lootas thats also got grotz spaced around/between - When say a pie plate hits the lootas, can you assign the wounds to the grots. For example, pie plate hits 5 lootas and 5 grots. So i roll to wound, can I roll to wound on the grots or does it have to be done on the lootas and then the grots sebsequently? as lets say I do then recieve 5 an overall 5 unsaved wounds, could I kill off the grots?

What you could do is split your units of lootas into 2 if you have the models, that way he cant target both, but then each one is more likely to run.

Sketchyfk wrote:
You gotta remember that orks aren't that good these days anyway, so anything we have counts as "friendly".

Do not listen to this Eldar-Spread propaganda! It's really not true.

Well if wez iz winnin we iz figthin good, and if we iz dying we iz fightin good and if we iz runnin away da Boss told me we iz doin somethin called retreatin and dat dont count!


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Solar Shock wrote:

Trillebaard wrote:
Unfortunately I only have 9 bikes, 10 tankbustas and 12 lootas, but I`ll aim for maksimum numbers here.

Definately doing the finking kap on the other warboss.

Probably taking your advice and getting the lootas behind the ADL to get more synergy with the ADL. Worried about the thunderfire seriously hurting the squad, but if I spread them out and maybe get some KFF coverage first turn it should be good.

I like the painboy in the bikes although I dont have the model, a standin model will have to do.

Other than that I love the orky randomness units, so I just have to keep the Big Mek with SAG. Would prefer the blitza also, but dat might be overdoing it.

Thanks for the tips!

Just remember, your warlord is the only warboss/big mek who can take da finkin' cap. So if your taking an MA warboss and a Big mek with SAG, id give the cap to the mek and make him your warlord. Then the warboss can take the DLS for crumpin'

Lootas indeed will be a prime target for any ignore cover shots; a question. For any rules boyz out there,
If I have a unit of lootas thats also got grotz spaced around/between - When say a pie plate hits the lootas, can you assign the wounds to the grots. For example, pie plate hits 5 lootas and 5 grots. So i roll to wound, can I roll to wound on the grots or does it have to be done on the lootas and then the grots sebsequently? as lets say I do then recieve 5 an overall 5 unsaved wounds, could I kill off the grots?

What you could do is split your units of lootas into 2 if you have the models, that way he cant target both, but then each one is more likely to run.

Grots would be one unit, and lootas would be another. So the wounds would allocate to either unit depending on where the pie plate hits. So dat wont fix anyfing!

Really sucks that the Thunderfire is barrage, might consider a MA Big Mek with tellyporta gun thingy in front otherwise.

Solar Shock wrote:
Lootas indeed will be a prime target for any ignore cover shots; a question. For any rules boyz out there,
If I have a unit of lootas thats also got grotz spaced around/between - When say a pie plate hits the lootas, can you assign the wounds to the grots. For example, pie plate hits 5 lootas and 5 grots. So i roll to wound, can I roll to wound on the grots or does it have to be done on the lootas and then the grots sebsequently? as lets say I do then recieve 5 an overall 5 unsaved wounds, could I kill off the grots?

If it hits 5 grits and 5 lootas, you roll to wound separately against both units, and allocate any wounds separately to the two units. The wounds never get combined.
Treat it as a separate attack against each unit.


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Trillebaard wrote:
Boss told me we iz doin somethin called retreatin and dat dont count!

It don't count, because you can come back for another go!

MA on the big mek might be worth it so he and the mek gun can both move and shoot. I'd probably add in another KMK if you do go that route.

 flaming tadpole wrote:
MA on the big mek might be worth it so he and the mek gun can both move and shoot. I'd probably add in another KMK if you do go that route.

If you're putting a MA Mek in with KMK Mek Gunz, then consider giving him a Tellyport Blasta.
It's basically a better KMK (no Gets Hot, chance for instant death), just with a shorter range (which if you're moving them, isn't so bad). And it looks sweet!