Titan Forge- Lords of Fury Kickstarter- (Not) Marines vs (Not) Daemons

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**Hulksmash**

If I get my stuff I'll be happy. I won't support this one but at least I'll have gotten models for my money. And I made sure to go to their site and only order things that are for sale so there shouldn't be an issue filling my order.

**Joyboozer**

Yes, I also messaged and received a we'll look into it Monday response. There's no way I'm giving these guys another cent even through retail. Best of luck to those who decide they will back.

**Nostromodamus**

This one is turning into a popcornfest already

**RiTides**

I really like the designs on some of these, and they seem to have learned to make models in less pieces than the metal beards. Hopefully they take care of you, Hulk and Joyboozer! I'd like them to succeed but obviously they need to make things right with folks they've kept waiting so long.

**Dinamarth**

I really want that Lord of Fury but geez... a lot of unsatisfied people from their last Kickstarter.

**skullking**

I also contributed to their Metal beards kickstarter, and also have yet to receive anything. It sucks, I've been contacting them over and over for the past few months, but haven't heard anything since October.

Right after their campaign finished, I went and bought a bunch of stuff on their webstore. It all came right away, and was GREAT! the undead orks, and the demons, ogre swashbucklers they've done are phenomenal! I have to imagine there's some overiding reason they haven't gotten things to people. It's just a stupid thing to do when you're such a small, unknown, but super talented company.

I'm really hoping that my stuff arrives eventually, I love the Krashen Va (Chaos dwarfy) stuff. I was one who suggested they go with chains for beards on them.

I won't contribute to this KS unless they can get me my stuff from metal beards before it ends. It's totally possible, they just have to bust @$$ and finish their first KS.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Interesting, they're using 2 different Kickstarter accounts, Metal Beards was Titan-Forge

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693348960/metal-beards-tabletop-dwarf-army?ref=nav_search

While this one is Titanforgegames

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084608523/x-terra-space-force-vs-daemonic-kingdom-tabletop-a/description

So clicking on their name to see what else they've done does NOT show you the Metal Beards and all the negative comments.

I won't quite say SHENANIGANS at this point but it does not make me feel confident.

**Nostromodamus**

Yes, I mentioned that earlier, it is rather suspect.

**Joyboozer**

It's also worrying they seem to be unaware of any issues and have to look into it....

**highlord tamburlaine**

Yeah, but their TitanForgeGames account was with Armymals....

Which also seems to have had its fair share of problems.

I just don't get these guys.They've got some fun stuff and pretty reasonable prices for what you get, their communication just needs to level up a few more times.

It really is holding them back.

**Breotan**

Joyboozer wrote:
Yeah right, finish sending out your first kickstarter you filthy lying bastards! Communication with these guys is non existent, they ignore everything!

RivenSkull wrote:
Titan-forge does make some very nice models, but after the way I heard them run the Metal Beard campaign, I am very hesitant to back this.

Joyboozer wrote:
I feel the same, spent a few hundred on the iron beards because I love the stuff the put out, but it looks like they have no intention on sending my stuff.
If anyone face books, could you mention it there? I think it's important people know what they're in for.

Alex C wrote:
Anyone thinking of backing this needs to research Titan Forge and their previous projects.

If you're still comfortable pledging afterwards, then more power to you.

I sure as hell wouldn't touch this project.

EDIT: Just noticed they changed their KS account since the Metal Beards projects. Trying (poorly) to disassociate themselves from that failboat?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Interesting, they're using 2 different Kickstarter accounts, Metal Beards was Titan-Forge

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693348960/metal-beards-tabletop-dwarf-army?ref=nav_search

While this one is Titanforgegames

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084608523/x-terra-space-force-vs-daemonic-kingdom-tabletop-a/description

So clicking on their name to see what else they've done does NOT show you the Metal Beards and all the negative comments.

I won't quite say SHENANIGANS at this point but it does not make me feel confident.

So, I take it the Dakka consensus for this project is...

**RiTides**

Not necessarily... They just need to get their act together (majorly). I'm definitely keeping an eye on it but I want to see some of the outstanding pledges fulfilled first.

**Kid_Kyoto**

They are shipping some stuff (based on comments) but slowly and with poor communication.

Despite the kickstarter account saying they're based in Pennsyvania it seems they're in Poland which might explain some of the communications issues (fluent English speakers probably can find better things to do than answer emails for a kickstarter).

But still I'd wait for retail.

**Azazelx**

RiTides wrote:
Not necessarily... They just need to get their act together (majorly). I'm definitely keeping an eye on it but I want to see some of the outstanding pledges fulfilled first.

I'm going with Tardar Sauce above. They might just start to fulfil outstanding orders for the last one based on complaints and the ability to hurt the current one, but what's to say that history won't repeat in, oh, about 30 days time?

**Breotan**

Azazelx wrote:
They might just start to fulfil outstanding orders for the last one based on complaints and the ability to hurt the current one...

Do you realize what you're saying here?

**Joyboozer**

Exactly how much checking do Kickstarter do before green lighting a project?
Hmmm, we've received complaints about non fulfilment, comment section full of complaints, can't see any reason not to ok their next project.

**RiTides**

Azazelx wrote:
RiTides wrote:
Not necessarily... They just need to get their act together (majorly). I'm definitely keeping an eye on it but I want to see some of the outstanding pledges fulfilled first.

I'm going with Tardar Sauce above. They might just start to fulfil outstanding orders for the last one based on complaints and the ability to hurt the current one, but what's to say that history won't repeat in, oh, about 30 days time?

I received my pledge from their last campaign fine, though. Are those who are still waiting pledged for troops? Apparently these gave them trouble (none are listed in their online store) for being designed in too many parts. Doesn't excuse the terrible communication, but maybe if you select other items they could fulfill it faster? Just wondering here...

Looking forward to hearing if they do sort you guys out Monday. This company makes the best minis around, and had previously run a great Kickstarter (undead orcs). It's this last one that they fell flat on, but I'm not writing them off - hoping instead they'll make it right.

**Hulksmash**

Funny story. One of the units they just unlocked they already sell and it still costs less with the current currency conversion than if you get it with the $250 and $500 pledges (the best point deals) and you don't have to wait till July to maybe get it.

500pts for 3 models: .047 dollar per point at the $250 and $500 level so $23.50.

20 euro for 3 models converts at $22.41.

Also put in a dollar so I can make sure the keep pressure on for my Metal Beard items.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

does that include postage as that could make it a better deal?

(but fingers crossed for those still waiting for Metal Beards or Armymals stuff)

**Hulksmash**

Considering they are charging for shipping too on the kickstarter I considered it a non-starter. And it's better to buy in euro's than US currency on their site since they don't keep up with it and charge almost $4 more per set of 3 in dollars.

Seriously, it's like a 10% savings on the non-bundles so I'm not seeing the reason to back this instead of just waiting for them to be available retail.

**RiTides**

Yeah, it seems the bundles are by far the best deal (likely to make it easier on them to fulfill / package, which makes sense).

What is the status of Armymals, Orlando, as I haven't followed that one?

**Dark Severance**

Joyboozer wrote:
Exactly how much checking do Kickstarter do before green lighting a project?
Hmmm, we've received complaints about non fulfilment, comment section full of complaints, can't see any reason not to ok their next project.

They don't do any checking because Kickstarter isn't responsible for making sure a project is completed. The only way they would not green light or shutdown a project that was ok'd is if they were messaged about a scammer with known proof they've bailed on projects. Since they have 'partially' fulfilled and appear to be making an effort to fulfill then they are ok by Kickstarter standards (which isn't high).

RiTides wrote:
Yeah, it seems the bundles are by far the best deal (likely to make it easier on them to fulfill / package, which makes sense).

What is the status of Armymals, Orlando, as I haven't followed that one?

The early birds went out supposedly. The ones with regular orders aren't supposed to receive theirs until Feb, however other than the early bird shipping there has been no communication since then. Not even a "Just letting you know we're on track to fulfill by Feb".

Why must KS use point systems... I hate point systems, they are so inefficient for a KS.

**Nostromodamus**

Projects use points systems for the same reason Disneyland uses Mickey Mouse money; to get you to spend more real money buying their fake money because you "only need a little more" fake money to get the new shiny. You start to disassociate the cost of the new shiny in real terms and your purse strings get looser.

That's the theory behind it anyway.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

It looks pretty much like the Metal Beards with most people getting the game and being relatively happy with it, but with a significant minority missing stretch goals or the whole thing (mainly seem to be non-EU? Perhaps as some really cheap/slow shipping choice used?)

from the comments

Creator TitanforgeGames on January 12

Hi Guys.

If you have any questions please contact Lucas using armymals@titan-forge.com. He does not have access to kickstarter page so he cannot answer here.

@Michael Martin - I can assure that you do not have a problem. All parcels have different tracking numbers and if anyone wants to receive his own. Please contact Lucas.

@Larry and Stenmur - Thank you for your propositions but we could not use your help. Dont get me wrong but we do not know any of you guys and it would be a risk for us to provide you with copies that should go other backers.

We contacted our post office and we are waiting for reply with better localization of your parcels. They should provide us with domestic couriers that will be in charge of transportation in your countries.

@Stenmur and HappyHowler - We know that we messed up but we did not have a perfect solution for obstacles that we did encounter. We did not have enough funds to finance faster shipping and we did not have enough manpower to cover everything as good as we wanted. We still face a lot of difficulties but we will deliver our product to all our backers. At this point we have a lot of stuff (armymals) in our warehouse that we wont sell untill all issues with our backers will be resolved. Still we cannot bankrupt in the meanwhile and our miniatures is what is keeping us going in this difficult situation and we had another kickstarter planned long time ago and we simply cannot wait any longer. I understand that we dissapointed you and all I can do it to ask you to try to be understanding as it was our first board game project and we made a lot of rookie mistakes that we wont make in the future. We will inform people about our mistakes from previous campaings in the next one but I believe that this time it will be different.

Cheers,
Romek

**RiTides**

I keep being tempted to pledge for this, but just don't need any more minis, particularly marine counts-as models... I have plenty

But I think it may end up being something like what Heresy miniatures is experiencing - an influx of cash actually helps them take care of current responsibilities as well as fulfill new ones.

On that note, I didn't brave keeping my full pledge in on Heresy's campaign, and ended up just making a donation... but I think it may work out for him (although miss the due date like everything else) and that similar will occur here. It sounds the marines are Way less parts than the dwarves (like, torso, head, arms) which will enable them to fulfill this much easier and also hopefully take care of the folks waiting on prior campaign stuff.

I just want to say again that the casts I've gotten from this company have been incredible, and I love their unique design aesthetic, too (just look at their undead orcs or pirate ogres). But I also think so far they've shown that the Kickstarter model (getting paid for everything upfront then having to deliver months later) isn't totally ideal for them, at least with very complicated projects. So far this one is simpler, and if it stays manageable (but raises enough to let them make a few good lines of minis) this may work out for everyone. Here's hoping!

**Azazelx**

Breotan wrote:
Azazelx wrote:
They might just start to fulfil outstanding orders for the last one based on complaints and the ability to hurt the current one...

Do you realize what you're saying here?

Yes.

**deadairis**

And just to save other folks the trouble by chiming in: terrible experience on their Iron Beards KS.

**Hulksmash**

So I got an email saying that they are going to be shipping my Metal Beard order today. No tracking number or anything. Just an email saying it's going out. Granted, it's only 2pm there right now but I hope I see a tracking number today.

**Nostromodamus**

Hulksmash wrote:
So I got an email saying that they are going to be shipping my Metal Beard order today. No tracking number or anything. Just an email saying it's going out. Granted, it's only 2pm there right now but I hope I see a tracking number today.

Funny how KS companies suddenly make customer service a priority when they want more of your money, isn't it?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Hulksmash wrote:
So I got an email saying that they are going to be shipping my Metal Beard order today. No tracking number or anything. Just an email saying it's going out. Granted, it's only 2pm there right now but I hope I see a tracking number today.

I don't think they used any tracking previously (although I guess they might now?), so be prepared for it to just show up