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Okay, how is this for a list? I would not be suprised to see other Knights, Super-heavy Tanks, and maybe a Stompa.

Iron Hands Space Marines

HQ
Chapter Master on Bike w/TH, SE, AA, Digital Lasers

TROOPS
Bike Squad w/2 Grav Guns
Bike Squad w/2 Grav Guns

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon w/Skyhammer Missiles
Stormtalon w/Skyhammer Missiles

HEAVY SUPPORT
Thunderfire Cannon

Adamantium Lance Formation
Knight Errant
Knight Paladin
Knight Paladin

I'm pretty sure you need bike captains to make bikes troops, not 100% sure though

Both Captains and Chapter Masters do it

This is a good list, though may have some issues if any transcendent C'tans are brought.

oz of the north wrote:
This is a good list, though may have some issues if any transcendent C'tans are brought.

lol what lists don't? haha

 Icelord wrote:

oz of the north wrote:
This is a good list, though may have some issues if any transcendent C'tans are brought.

lol what lists don't? haha

True it is a silly model

I'm hoping between the Grav Guns and last ditch I could even assault with the Knights. What is the initiative on the Ctan?

But I think I'm ganna change the SM part of the list though.

Khan on Moondraken

3 Bike Squads with Grav Guns

2 Storm Talons

Thunderfire Cannon

Ditch the thuderfire cannon. One of them doesn't do enough, especially if you play a decent opponent who knows how to take full advantage of his 2 inch unit coherency. Use the points for combi-weapons on the sergeants and a Camo cloak scout squad (no snipers needed). Khan on moondraken is really easy to kill and I think you should keep the first list.

I'd run 2 Errants and 1 Paladin. Helps more against the matchup vs other super heavies. Plus you have no realistic answer the AV14 short of combat other than that solitary Errant. You have plenty of anti MEQ and hordes already.

I assume the Lance is your Primary Detachment? Why have you listed a Knight Detachment with literally nothing in it?

No, the IK is not the primary. And I only have access to 3 knight.

And idk if a single melta will make that much much more of a difference against av14/Heavies. Assaulting them with strD is so much better than melta.

Melta can hurt turn 1. It also helps against 2+ saves far more (in other words the threatening parts of the enemy army). Also assaults are much easier to block than shooting.

Why not take the Lance as your Primary that way you get a 3++ rerollable at the tip of the Lance. Your Warlord is much tougher on a Knight than the Chapter Master.

Can they be primary with them in a formation?

And in the IK book it says as long as you have 3 knights, one of them can be your warlord, so I was making one a Warlord anyway

Why couldn't the Formation be your Primary?

Given that your Primary is the Detachment that includes your Warlord how where you having a Knight as your Warlord if the Formation isn't your Primary?

Okay, swapped the IK into primary and changed the list a little.

Adamantium Lance Formation
Knight Errant (Warlord)
Knight Errant
Knight Paladin

Space Marines (Iron Hands)

Chapter Master with SE, PF, AA, Bike

Bike Squad with 2 Grav Guns, Combi-Grav
Bike Squad with 2 Grav Guns, Combi-Grav

Stormtalon with Skyhammer Missiles
Stormtalon with Skyhammer Missiles

Thunderfire Cannon

Like it looks solid.