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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/12 19:01:09
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Fresh-Faced New User
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This is my first attempt at Mechanicum/IH allies list. It will be used for an escalation league. CC welcomed. Apologies if this is not where a 30k list belongs.
HQ 105 pts
Magos Dominus – Cyber Familiar, Augury Scanner, plasma pistol
Troops
Adsecularis Covenant (20)– Rite of Pure Thought, Las-Locks (80 pts)
Thallax Cohort (3) – lightning guns, 2 Multi Meltas, (165 pts)
Allies Iron Hands
HQ 80pts
Orth
Troops
Legion Tactical Squad (10) – vox, plasma pistol (175 pts)
Heavy Support
Sicaran with lascannons (175 pts)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/12 19:07:54
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Looks good to me!
I'd favour art armour/power weapon over plasma pistol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/12 19:28:19
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Which Mechanicum list are you using?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/12 20:20:45
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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You cannot take two multi meltas - only one per three on thallax.
I would want rite of pure thought and carapace on my tech thralls.
i agree with captyn-bob - armour over plasma - keep the dominus alive.
Nice list at the points, btw. Dealing with that sicaran at 750 will make people hate you though.
beast_gts - its not a legio list - adescularis tech thralls do not count towards compulsory troops. So I am guessing ordo reductor?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/12 22:32:42
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Thanks for the input  It's a Thagmatta list. I caught my mistake on the multi-melta's after I posted lol. Armour over plasma, got it. I am going up against necrons with this list so I expect some cheese on the other side. I don't feel bad about the Sicaran  .
Here is a thought, what about a Thanatar with Paragon of metal instead of the IH allies? at 750 I would think there is not much to stop him. Then again the Sicaran will ignore his skimmers jink.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/12 23:30:53
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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A Thanatar would not be that much better than the Sicaran and troops.
A heads up - I have yet to beat Necrons with my Mechanicus. Good luck. Their Tesla barges and flyers punish me. At 750 though you might do better than I have, lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/13 03:12:00
Subject: Re:[750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Did you try an avenger strike fighter? I can also give my thanatars skyfire
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/13 03:32:24
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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How are you giving your thanatar skyfire? And I use a Primaris in larger lists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/13 04:43:12
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Fresh-Faced New User
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you can give them icaran. It makes them a heavy support choice but has no affect on list other than +25 to cost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/13 09:23:33
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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sparti67 wrote:you can give them icaran. It makes them a heavy support choice but has no affect on list other than +25 to cost.
Thallax you can, but not the Thanatar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/14 01:47:23
Subject: Re:[750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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if you're including thanatar and tech-thralls then you're using a taghmata list.
All we got from book 2 was the Archmagos reductor HQ choice and a promise that later books would add more units to both ordo cybernetica and the Ordo Reductor.
why did you put the vox on the legion marines? doesn't it allow barrage weapons to use them for line of sight? surely the legion vexilla would be far more useful - re-roll failed leadership tests?
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-px27tzAtVwZpZ4ljopV2w "ashtrays and teacups do not count as cover"
"jack of all trades, master of none; certainly better than a master of one"
The Ordo Reductor - the guy's who make wonderful things like the Landraider Achillies, but can't use them in battle.. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/14 03:04:33
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Actually you can take a thanatar in a legio list. But you can only take ten tech thralls with limited upgrades. So the list is ordo reductor. You can use a Dominus in a reductor list
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/14 03:56:18
Subject: Re:[750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Fresh-Faced New User
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SirDonlad wrote:if you're including thanatar and tech-thralls then you're using a taghmata list.
All we got from book 2 was the Archmagos reductor HQ choice and a promise that later books would add more units to both ordo cybernetica and the Ordo Reductor.
why did you put the vox on the legion marines? doesn't it allow barrage weapons to use them for line of sight? surely the legion vexilla would be far more useful - re-roll failed leadership tests?
Will change that thanks. In book three you can take an additional ten thralls at 3 pts each. You are correct with the thallax, not the thanatar that gets sky fire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/14 04:01:23
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Unfortunately no - not for legio cybernetica - only ten thralls allowed with rite of pure thought. But as ordo reductor you are good.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/14 17:54:33
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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felixcat wrote:
Actually you can take a thanatar in a legio list. But you can only take ten tech thralls with limited upgrades. So the list is ordo reductor. You can use a Dominus in a reductor list
it most certainly is not Ordo Reductor!  you can take it in a legio cybernetica list but not an Ordo Reductor list. and i don't get tech-thralls or vorax either.
the only mentions of the Ordo Reductor in book three are an upgrade for a tech-preist auxillia adept and an acknowledgement that they make the thallax.
they get to play with my stuff, but i cant play with any of theirs?  no wonder the Ordo Reductor is nomadic.
the Ordo Reductor expects great things, ForgeWorld... ...starting with phased-plasma fusil thallax.
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-px27tzAtVwZpZ4ljopV2w "ashtrays and teacups do not count as cover"
"jack of all trades, master of none; certainly better than a master of one"
The Ordo Reductor - the guy's who make wonderful things like the Landraider Achillies, but can't use them in battle.. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/14 18:36:55
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Sorry for the confusion. I have been working out of the Thagmatta list not Ordo. Don't know why I thought Ordo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/14 19:30:46
Subject: Re:[750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Book three - Extermination page 202
Legio Cybernetica:The Legio Cybernetica army list found in The Horus Heresy book two - Massacre is a seperate army which may ally with Taghmata as Sworn Brothers. Note that the Vorax class Battle-automota Maniple (fast attack)and Thanatar class Seige-automata Maniple ( heavy support) detailed in the Taghmata Omnissiah army list may also be selected for the Legio Cybernetica army list.
These are the only exceptions to book two - Massacre
Book two - Massacre does allow more than ten tech thralls. And they are support not mandatory troop choices.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/14 20:13:13
Subject: Re:[750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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felixcat wrote:Book three - Extermination page 202
Legio Cybernetica:The Legio Cybernetica army list found in The Horus Heresy book two - Massacre is a seperate army which may ally with Taghmata as Sworn Brothers. Note that the Vorax class Battle-automota Maniple (fast attack)and Thanatar class Seige-automata Maniple ( heavy support) detailed in the Taghmata Omnissiah army list may also be selected for the Legio Cybernetica army list.
These are the only exceptions to book two - Massacre
yeah, sure; but the Ordo Reductor didn't get anything!
despite book 2 on page 265 saying: "Further Battle Automata and Mechanicum units will be introduced in future Horus Heresy books by Forge World, which will add to and expand this list and that of the Ordo Reductor found in Horus Heresy Book 1: Betrayal"
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-px27tzAtVwZpZ4ljopV2w "ashtrays and teacups do not count as cover"
"jack of all trades, master of none; certainly better than a master of one"
The Ordo Reductor - the guy's who make wonderful things like the Landraider Achillies, but can't use them in battle.. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/15 10:37:44
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Battleship Captain
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Yes, but they haven't so far. Doesn't mean that the Ordo Reductor won't every get anything more.
They shouldn't have automatata, I'm fine with that. I'm slightly surprised they didn't get access to Ursurax, though, as they're a Thallax variant.
Ordo Reductor are still a damn good force. Thallax are amongst the scariest things in the Mechanicum arsenal, and the Reductor get all the shiny modifications.
Plus, Siege Batteries. Legion Basilisks are sweet-looking models.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Yes, but they haven't so far. Doesn't mean that the Ordo Reductor won't every get anything more.
They shouldn't have automatata, I'm fine with that. I'm slightly surprised they didn't get access to Ursurax, though, as they're a Thallax variant.
Ordo Reductor are still a damn good force. Thallax are amongst the scariest things in the Mechanicum arsenal, and the Reductor get all the shiny modifications.
Plus, Siege Batteries. Legion Basilisks are sweet-looking models.
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Termagants expended for the Hive Mind: ~2835
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/15 11:51:58
Subject: Re:[750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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I know and its really annoying!
I recon they should have access to siege automata though - Ordo Reductor are known as the masters of destruction and siege warfare so I find it weird that they haven't got some 'siege-automata'
the ursarax I can understand not having because their fluff talks about an ill-fated non-Reductor tech-priest creating and trading them around for favours.
I decided against the basilisk because of the ridiculous minimum range it has. I bought a legion medusa for its range 36" S10 AP1 large blast barrage shot.
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-px27tzAtVwZpZ4ljopV2w "ashtrays and teacups do not count as cover"
"jack of all trades, master of none; certainly better than a master of one"
The Ordo Reductor - the guy's who make wonderful things like the Landraider Achillies, but can't use them in battle.. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/16 06:20:26
Subject: [750] - Mechanicum/Iron Hands
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Right but in book three thralls are troops for the omnissah. Here is the edited list. Going against necrons. HQ 105 pts Magos Dominus – Cyber Familiar, Augury Scanner Troops Adsecularis Covenant (10)– Rite of Pure Thought, carapace armour Las-Locks (65 pts) Thallax Cohort (3) – lightning guns,1 Multi Melta (150 pts) Allies Iron Hands HQ 80pts Orth Troops Legion Tactical Squad (10) – artificer armor (175 pts) Heavy Support Sicaran with lascannons (175 pts)
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