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Idea is to take lots of high firepower low cost units.

Renegades:
Arch demagogue, cov of tzeentch, mutant overlord (goes with a hades rapier battery for bs2 snapfire)
Command squad

3 spawn

3 spawn

10 mutants

10 mutants

3 sentinals
Heavy flamers

3 sentinals
Heavy flamers

3 sentinals
Heavy flamers

3 laser destroyer rapiers
Militia training

3 laser destroyer rapiers
Militia training

4 wyverns

CSM
Chaos Lord (with spawn)
MoK, AoBF, Jugger, sigil

10 cultists

10 cultists

Helblade
2 Helstorm autocannons

Helblade
2 Helstorm autocannons

Helblade
2 Helstorm autocannons

Sicaran

3 hades autocannon rapiers

3 quad bolter rapiers

1850pts

Which slot does the fell blade occupy?

If its fast attack then I think its called Hell Blade, because it has the helstorm autocannon.

Sorry. Helblade. Very tired lol. The list does not have 3 fellblades. Will edit.


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Been reading IA:13 too long. Squeezing 3 fellblades into an 1850 list would be some achievement lol!

I dont think you can take two squads of Spawn in that IA 13 list. Taking the Covenant of tzeentch permits you to take one squad of them. I think you need a different HQ loadout to access them as troops.

Poly Ranger wrote:
Sorry. Helblade. Very tired lol. The list does not have 3 fellblades. Will edit.


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Been reading IA:13 too long. Squeezing 3 fellblades into an 1850 list would be some achievement lol!

If you abuse ally slots you might squeeze 3 in.

How competitive would you like to be with this list?

sand.zzz wrote:
I dont think you can take two squads of Spawn in that IA 13 list. Taking the Covenant of tzeentch permits you to take one squad of them. I think you need a different HQ loadout to access them as troops.

Covenant of Tzzentch lets you take 0-3. You're thinking of Mutant Overlord which is 0-1 spawn.

It looks super solid. Salamanders might be better than the sentinels. 4 wyverns in one unit is probably overkill.

Not sure the quad bolter rapiers are going to help that much.

 krootman. wrote:
How competitive would you like to be with this list?

As much as possible without superheavies.


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Captyn_Bob wrote:
It looks super solid. Salamanders might be better than the sentinels. 4 wyverns in one unit is probably overkill.

Not sure the quad bolter rapiers are going to help that much.

Completely right about the wyverns. I could drop 1 for another OS squad of spawn.
The salamanders are 225% the points of the sentinals though. Not sure if I'd stomach upgrading to them.
The idea behind the quad bolters are that with an average of 16 st5 ap4 hits a turn, they should make back their points and way more over tye course of the game, even if only bit by bit, as they will probably be the last thing the opponent targets. I can't think of anything else with as much durability and firepower in HS for 120pts.


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I'll have a good look though.

Do you have all the models to field this list? Which model do you use for the hades rapiers?

Let us know how it fares! I am trying to decide whether to get sentinels to fill out the fast attack slot in my renegades list cheaply.

 Opera wrote:
Do you have all the models to field this list? Which model do you use for the hades rapiers?

Let us know how it fares! I am trying to decide whether to get sentinels to fill out the fast attack slot in my renegades list cheaply.

No not at all unfortunately. I have large BA, CSM and Necron armies and a (very) small INQ force (plus around a small 1000pts of unplayable orks - but I don't count them). I'm just thinking as to what army to branch into next. I have IA13 and R&H would suit my CSM down to the ground.
The new BA dex has been very fortunate to my current collection, and requires little to update it (got a knight and sicaran in the last few months so only a typhon, some rapiers and maybe a couple more pods and I'm set) so now is definitely the time if I want to start a new force.
My friends allow proxies to test new stuff out, but aside from a chaos dwarf cannon I have nothing to represent the artillery as of yet. And regarding sentinals, whilst owning 5 dreads and 2 hellbrutes... they are not reallly the right size for an effective proxy. I could borrow my friends war walkers however. But he has 6 not 9.
It will take me a very long time to collect such a force. Probably 12-18 months. Definitely need to proxy to test it out before going down that route first.

Just a heads up on the rapier battery, its ordenance so you can't snap fire with it :(

Yeh that does suck. But the Helblades, bs2 snapfire hades and maybe the Sicaran should provide adequate AA.
210pts for 9 tl bs3 ap2 ordnance shots on 9 t7 3w 3+ (for 2 wounds) platforms almost feels like cheating anyway even without being able to fire at air units lol.