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The Space Marines, the Inquisition and the Adetpus Mechanicus all get the Land Raider. Several Imperial factions get the Land Raider.

My question is why don't the sisters of battle have access to it ? They have access to the Rhino. So why not the Land Raider ?

Would giving it to them be too much of a stretch ?

Why or why not in your opinion.

Or if not the Land Raider, then another vehicle ?

Any thoughts ?

I think so. The Ecclesiarchy is wealthy enough to afford SM gear for their infantry, and powerful enough to hoard an entire vehicle design for itself (Exorcist) so why not?

Yeah, maybe on the rarer side of warmachines for them.

The biggest consideration here is how much do you really want to make Sisters a Space Marine chapter with boobs? They don't have a lot that fits the primary combat role of the Land Raider (shock/assault transport), they already have close support armour, they already have artillery armour, what do they need a Land Raider for? To make them more Space Marine-like?

Honestly if Sisters need anything in the vehicle department it's a dedicated Flyer (opinions differ on what exactly it should be/look like, there are threads upon threads in Proposed Rules arguing about it).

Some nice transport/gunship would be nice.
Only SM vehicle I would give them is a Razorback, which they doesn't have, iirc.

They have a repressor instead of razorback.

Land Raiders are too rare and precious to be wasted on mere humans. >:|

Exceptions can always be made for an Inquisitor and his retinue, but they are exceptions to everything.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
The biggest consideration here is how much do you really want to make Sisters a Space Marine chapter with boobs?

Boobs = chapter tactix.
6++, +1 to DTW and acts of faith are just a side effect.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
They don't have a lot that fits the primary combat role of the Land Raider (shock/assault transport)

Repentia would go from crap to worth it overnight.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
They don't have a lot that fits the primary combat role of the Land Raider (shock/assault transport)

Repentia would go from crap to worth it overnight.

Same thing would happen if you gave them an assault-transport Flyer (I've been pushing the idea of a Storm Eagle variant on Proposed Rules).

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
They don't have a lot that fits the primary combat role of the Land Raider (shock/assault transport)

Repentia would go from crap to worth it overnight.

Same thing would happen if you gave them an assault-transport Flyer (I've been pushing the idea of a Storm Eagle variant on Proposed Rules).

it would make more sense for them to have a Land Raider imo. Gigantic cathedral-tanks with shrines in them would make more sense than a high-tech insertion lander.

Probably some sort of semi-landraider would be better though.

Like how they have a stand in for the razorback I think it'd be better for them to have their own version, close to the land raider but not quite.

:andraider works good with inquisitorial deathcults + crussaders. Though, they seem to be a bit better overall than repentia due to cheap 3++ ablative wounds. Lack ap2 though.

IIRC there's an ancient decree about Land Raiders being reserved for the Space Marines. The Inquisition can get them because, well, they're the Inquisition. But they also used to be available to common troops of the Imperial Army until too many were destroyed in the Horus Heresy. I don't think the Sororitas in and of themselves would be able to tank up the the point of being able to secure Land Raiders independent of the Inquisition.

Of even more importance, they don't really have many units suited to a Land Raider. LR's really work best for delivering a small-ish, but powerful heavy assault unit to where they need to be, something Sisters lack. I'm not really sure what the overall utility to the army would be. I mean, there's Repentia I guess, but that'd be about it...

Honestly, I'd much rather see a completely new vehicle.

However, at the outset of the Horus Heresy, Anvilus 9 along with other Forge Worlds were seized by the Dark Mechanicum aligned with Horus, while others chose to secede from the Imperium and remain neutral. This would prove to be a terrible blow to the Loyalists as their supply of Land Raiders began to dry up, especially since, in sufficient numbers, Land Raiders can take on and destroy even Titans. With the dark clouds of the rebellion drawing closer to Terra, the Emperor ordered that all Land Raiders still in loyalist service were to be transferred and used exclusively by the Legiones Astartes, who were at the forefront of the fighting. The Emperor was never able to annul the order, and consequently, even after the Heresy, the use of the Land Raider remained exclusive to the Space Marines.

IA2 and the old GW website.

Also, the Land Raider has a really strong machine-spirit. When it starts firing on its own, even if it's helpful, wouldn't the SoB think it's possessed and throw it off a cliff or something?

 Ashiraya wrote:

However, at the outset of the Horus Heresy, Anvilus 9 along with other Forge Worlds were seized by the Dark Mechanicum aligned with Horus, while others chose to secede from the Imperium and remain neutral. This would prove to be a terrible blow to the Loyalists as their supply of Land Raiders began to dry up, especially since, in sufficient numbers, Land Raiders can take on and destroy even Titans. With the dark clouds of the rebellion drawing closer to Terra, the Emperor ordered that all Land Raiders still in loyalist service were to be transferred and used exclusively by the Legiones Astartes, who were at the forefront of the fighting. The Emperor was never able to annul the order, and consequently, even after the Heresy, the use of the Land Raider remained exclusive to the Space Marines.

IA2 and the old GW website.

Also, the Land Raider has a really strong machine-spirit. When it starts firing on its own, even if it's helpful, wouldn't the SoB think it's possessed and throw it off a cliff or something?

They'd more likely think that's the Emperor's will working through it.

 Ashiraya wrote:

However, at the outset of the Horus Heresy, Anvilus 9 along with other Forge Worlds were seized by the Dark Mechanicum aligned with Horus, while others chose to secede from the Imperium and remain neutral. This would prove to be a terrible blow to the Loyalists as their supply of Land Raiders began to dry up, especially since, in sufficient numbers, Land Raiders can take on and destroy even Titans. With the dark clouds of the rebellion drawing closer to Terra, the Emperor ordered that all Land Raiders still in loyalist service were to be transferred and used exclusively by the Legiones Astartes, who were at the forefront of the fighting. The Emperor was never able to annul the order, and consequently, even after the Heresy, the use of the Land Raider remained exclusive to the Space Marines.

IA2 and the old GW website.

Also, the Land Raider has a really strong machine-spirit. When it starts firing on its own, even if it's helpful, wouldn't the SoB think it's possessed and throw it off a cliff or something?

IMO that fluff is looser than it appears.

After all, the Adeptus Astartes have Land Raiders...

...but not exclusively. Hell, the Land Raiders used by the Adeptus Mechanicus are better than the ones used by the Space Marines.

The Mechanicus does not use Land Raiders. The Mechanicum did, in the FW HH books. No mention of it since.

There are enough LR variants utilizing the holy trinity, so why not.

There are a lot of the SM vehicles that would make perfect sense in the hands of the SoB. Might need a few weapon swaps on some, but FW already has plenty of those out there.

Some kind of assault vehicle would be great, but I would rather not see landraiders.

I'd prefer a beefed up repressor with forward facing assault doors and some gothic pipe organs which act as frag grenades.

As someone previously stated I think that SoB should be something more than just boob-marine so I would prefer if they had their own vehicle design

 Ashiraya wrote:
The Mechanicus does not use Land Raiders. The Mechanicum did, in the FW HH books. No mention of it since.

IIRC There have been repeated mentions in Black Library books of Mechanicus Explorator teams with Land Raider command tanks. In fact, again if memory serves, the Mechanicus contingent with the Imperial Guard in one of the stories in the Planetkill compilation have a Land Raider.

The Ecclessiarchy certainly has the political clout necessary to *acquire* Land Raiders, however the Sororitas do not follow the Ecclessiarchy blindly, anyone ordering them to defy an explicit edict of the Emperor is likely to receive a stern talking to both from them and a member of the Ordo Hereticus.

I'm not a Sisters player, in fact usually I dislike the Sisters and think they need an entire overhaul/redesign.

But if they're getting a super-heavy I'd rather see something new and not just a Land Raider.

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
I'm not a Sisters player, in fact usually I dislike the Sisters and think they need an entire overhaul/redesign.

But if they're getting a super-heavy I'd rather see something new and not just a Land Raider.

Well, a landraider isn't a super-heavy. not even close. But Sisters can take Imperial Knights, so they probably won't get a super-heavy of their own.

So I could see them getting a dedicated flyer, or at least a version of a landraider. A landraider with nothing but twin-linked meltaguns seems very sister-like. Or the land raider redeemer. One of those options would work.

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
I'm not a Sisters player, in fact usually I dislike the Sisters and think they need an entire overhaul/redesign.

But if they're getting a super-heavy I'd rather see something new and not just a Land Raider.

I’d rather them get a LR then something new. The IoM is not about innovation. Every faction should not be packed full of special snowflakes. Take something existing, possibly tweak it a bit, but stop just inventing things and then grafting them into the world.

I realize that tis ship has sailed, and GW is far more likely to foist some new kit on the players. Doesn’t mean I have to like it.

 Icculus wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
I'm not a Sisters player, in fact usually I dislike the Sisters and think they need an entire overhaul/redesign.

But if they're getting a super-heavy I'd rather see something new and not just a Land Raider.

Well, a landraider isn't a super-heavy. not even close. But Sisters can take Imperial Knights, so they probably won't get a super-heavy of their own.

So I could see them getting a dedicated flyer, or at least a version of a landraider. A landraider with nothing but twin-linked meltaguns seems very sister-like. Or the land raider redeemer. One of those options would work.

Err sorry, bad use of words there, I just meant a super heavy-style tank not specifically a rules specific super-heavy.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Also, the Land Raider has a really strong machine-spirit. When it starts firing on its own, even if it's helpful, wouldn't the SoB think it's possessed and throw it off a cliff or something?

Are you confusing “religious zealot” with “religious idiot”? I know it is a pretty easy confusion to make .

 Ashiraya wrote:
Land Raiders are too rare and precious to be wasted on mere humans. >:|

The Ecclesiarchy is the mother(/father/whatever?) of all waste anyway . That is almost their motto. “We got so many money that we are going to pay more than you earn in your entire life just to put a really, really nice piece of art depicting the glory of Imperial Saint n 2392 on the front of this rhino where it is going to be blown up by the first stray bolter round”. “Hey, what about we ordered a statue of Imperial Saint 23212 that was, like, 3km high? We will need to increase the tithes a bit for that, but certainly it is worth it, because giant statues are awesome!”

And actually, that is sorts of why I do not want them to use some actual land raider. I would rather they go for something much, much more expensive, like a relic from the Dark Age of technology that is antigrav and use a force field for protection, and then put on tons and tons of useless, extremely expensive bling on it, add the bones of a few Saints on it for extra grim-dark, and have it being dragged to battle by dirty unwashed crazed zaelots. That is extremely wasteful and stupid. Everything I love about the Ecclesiarchy.

 Nevelon wrote:
I’d rather them get a LR then something new. The IoM is not about innovation.

It would not be new in-universe. It would be something that has always existed, but we never encountered before.
Which, given how few resources on Sisters there are, is not going to be too much a stretch to the imagination…

The sisters don't maintain their own compliment of LR's due to their detached nature. They are, after all, witch hunters and heresy detectors. They can, however, requisition them directly from the Ordo Malleous - and they've got deep friggin pockets. They can requisition Land Raiders with fun things like Psycannons on them - assuming the proper Inquisition member is in charge of the dedicated transport. So, all the fun bits that the Inquisition has, they have.

Their close ties with the IG (Navy explicitly) gives them access to the Lightning and Avengers (which they love), as well as Valkyries from either the Inquisition or the IG directly. You could even draw the ties to both the IG and OM to requisition a Baneblade. But like I said, they don't usually keep the really expensive things around for daily operations, only calling them in when needed (and bolting on 100000lbs of extra iconography hehe).

The sisters do have a unique variant of the Rhino chassis in both the Immolator and Exorcist line. I'd like to see them have more direct fliers in the future called out in the codex. The lightning could use an upgrade and be part of the actual codex (one can dream...).

First of all, Ad mech do not get the LR as they are not a 40k faction (unless you count knights, but they don't have it... not sure what's going on here). Second, inquisition probably shouldn't unless they have Marines with them. This is a very misleading and poorly worded opening question (it drives me nuts how often polls do this). You list three factions, only 2 of which work (that's if you leave all Marines as a single faction, which when arguing general Astartes equipment, you should), and then conclude that "several" factions get them, making it sound as if the SoB are being left out of something that they should get, but they have been robbed of.

No Land Raiders are a marine thing. Because the lore got bent once, does not mean it should be bent again.

And also, no, I don't think a the SoB should have an AV14 lumbering assault transport of any variant... now a 13/12/10 fast tank assault vehicle... that'd work for me.

 Lobukia wrote:
And also, no, I don't think a the SoB should have an AV14 lumbering assault transport of any variant... now a 13/12/10 fast tank assault vehicle... that'd work for me.

I second that opinion, but doubt it will EVER happen