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lol, as a field artillery platoon leader I find this funny. It has no basis here but if we fire directly.... its going to hit you front and center and its going to hurt. I find it funny the way some of the game mechanics work in this game. It may not be RAI but its RAW and that is the letter of the law these days.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Guys barrage weapons are blast weapons with the ability to shoot out of los. The exceptions are literally "what;s different when shooting out of los"


If I was shooting large blast barrage weapon directly, why would it hit the top of a vehicle?

Direct fire doesn't mean you're pointing your barrel at it, it means you can see your target and have a better grasp of where you're aiming. You can still lob the projectile so it comes in from above.

Nothing is stopping you agreeing to a house rule with your regular opponents.

I can understand the "fluff issue" when we look at things like:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/SOLAR_AUXILIA_BASILISK.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Astra_Militarum_Tanks/ARMAGEDDON-PATTERN-BASILISK.html
Specifically: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/Basil2.jpg

Those vehicle look more like Direct-fire tanks than they do Artillery pieces.

However, A) The RaW is clear, LoS or not, you are firing Barrage, which is a rule almost independent of Blast weapons.

B) The fluff is also clear about the Earthshaker cannon firing barrage solutions, often Voxed over by troops closer. I have not yet heard of the weapon firing directly, apart from attacking a Titan...

 BlackTalos wrote:
I can understand the "fluff issue" when we look at things like:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/SOLAR_AUXILIA_BASILISK.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Astra_Militarum_Tanks/ARMAGEDDON-PATTERN-BASILISK.html
Specifically: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/Basil2.jpg

Those vehicle look more like Direct-fire tanks than they do Artillery pieces.

However, A) The RaW is clear, LoS or not, you are firing Barrage, which is a rule almost independent of Blast weapons.

B) The fluff is also clear about the Earthshaker cannon firing barrage solutions, often Voxed over by troops closer. I have not yet heard of the weapon firing directly, apart from attacking a Titan...

My question now is... is the cover save from the firing model or center of the blast still when firing directly? What is the negative of firing directly?

 Tomb King wrote:
My question now is... is the cover save from the firing model or center of the blast still when firing directly? What is the negative of firing directly?

There is no negative to firing directly. When firing indirectly, you do not get to minus the BS of the firing model, that is the only difference.

The cover save is still worked out from the centre of the marker. The second bullet point of the Barrage special rule is completely independent of the first bullet point.

Imagine an Imperial Guard heavy weapon team Mortar (use your imagination if you've never seen one on the table), regardless of whether the team can see the target, the projectile will still fire upwards and then fall to the ground.

 Tomb King wrote:
My question now is... is the cover save from the firing model or center of the blast still when firing directly? What is the negative of firing directly?

As Quanar says, you still measure / do everything as if you were firing indirectly, but you get the bonus BS.

The shot is still an Barrage shot, you may Never shoot it "directly" in the Battle Canon definition of "directly" if that was your question?

 Quanar wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:
My question now is... is the cover save from the firing model or center of the blast still when firing directly? What is the negative of firing directly?

There is no negative to firing directly. When firing indirectly, you do not get to minus the BS of the firing model, that is the only difference.

Not the only difference; you can also fire at targets that are closer than the minimum range, if the weapon has one.

 Cheexsta wrote:
Not the only difference; you can also fire at targets that are closer than the minimum range, if the weapon has one.

Ah yes, missed that, thank you.

barrage weapons DO NOT FIRE DIRECTLY ANY MORE


they fire either with, or without LOS.

with LOS, minus your BS from the scatter


without LOS(or inside of min range), do NOT minus your BS from the scatter


simple,


wound allocation, facing hit, direction blast comes from , are all exactly the same with or without los

 easysauce wrote:
barrage weapons DO NOT FIRE DIRECTLY ANY MORE


they fire either with, or without LOS.

with LOS, minus your BS from the scatter


without LOS(or inside of min range), do NOT minus your BS from the scatter


simple,


wound allocation, facing hit, direction blast comes from , are all exactly the same with or without los

While your end result is correct, the wording of the rule absolutely does use the terms "directly" and "indirectly".