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Heyo

Iv hit an army building slump and wanted to ask around to bouce ideas.

Working a a 1000 point base imperial fist army that i can add on 500 point blocks when i needa get bigger games up probably to 2000 or more.

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Librarian
lvl 2
Bones of Terra thing

Tactical Squad
Heavy Bolter
Razorback
Lascannon

Tactical Squad
Heavy Bolter
Razorback
Lascannon

Scout Squad
Sniper x 5

Sternguard Veteran Squad
Combi Plasma x 5
Razorback
Assault Cannon

Stormtalon Gunship
Skyhammer Missile Launcher

Predator
Twin-linked Lascannon
Lascannon Sponsons
Dozer Blade

Comes out exactly 1000 i think it has ok potential for an all rounder. and i think i have enough lascannons to deal with the odd av14 landraider. CC appreciated. i will add on 500 blocks as it goes.

Heavy bolters suck...heavy weapons in tactical squads usually suck too but if you are deadest on them and plan to park them and shoot then take las cannons to compliment your razorbacks. Also, Why take the librarian when he's your only Psyker? You won't be able to cast much and any army with decent psychic will just stomp you in that phase.
Also take melta guns and/or plasma guns depending on your preference in the tac squads.... They are very useful

Overall I think you are failing to utilize the best units space marines have in their codex... Bikes, assault termies, land raiders, any centurians, stormtalons, thunder fire cannons.... The list goes on... Tactical squads are either spammed to the max for number saturation or taken in small squads for tax purposes usually
#mytwocents

Why Fists outside of the heavy bolter? You dont have any devestators to make them better or more bolters. Maybe look at Ravens or Ultras for jack of all trades.

Putting anything worthwhile in a razorback is a waste... there are no fire points and the razorback wants to sit back and shoot... so it can't move and shoot effectively because it's not fast... just take a rhino and let the units inside fire out.

The Stormtalon is good as-is.

Drop the Predator. You should be taking Devastators or Centurion Devastators all with lascannons to take advantage of your Tank Hunters rule; this is one of the best things about IF CTs.

Sniper scouts are terrible, take bolters (again using your CTs to their fullest); they don't pin, and will maybe inflict 1 wound which probably won't even rend... and they'll die to stuff with Ignores Cover. Try a land speeder storm with the bolter scouts too for a pretty awesome deep-striking or outflanking unit.

The Tactical Squads are nice, but take a Rhino so you can fire out. Also take a full squad and combat squad inside so when you disembark you can fire at two separate targets or use one to screen the other from a charge, etc.

The librarian is really nice with lvl 2 and the bones of osrak, but make sure he's with a squad where he'll make an impact... He unlocks the command squad which is really awesome.. I'd consider a command squad with 4 plasma and an apothecary, and put him in that.


Now, as far as building a list that can scale up, I'd try to base your 1000 point army around a the libby HQ, some full tac squads (I'd probably use pods honestly as opposed to rhinos in your list). You should keep the Stormtalon too. I would get some devastators in there as well; that's pretty well rounded.

As you scale up, I'd add another Stormtalon or a Stalker/Hunter and a special squad (like the command squad or sternguard, etc.) or more devs.

Finally I'd add another volley of lascannon Devastator fire, more troops and a counter-charge unit.

If you are considering allies, also let us know.

Hope that helps!

I play Imperial Fists regularly and I often play against Tau and Eldar. I don't get much use out of Rhinos or Razorbacks even if I start them in cover. They get destroyed right away. The serpent shield is particularly unforgiving against them. I've gone to Drop Pods which survive longer and work well in Maelstrom missions for me. I like Heavy Bolters just fine with IF Chapter Tactics. I play against Necrons and Space Wolves too. The HB is nice against warriors and the S5 is nice against TWC. I like Stormbolters on my Sergeants too. Bolter Drill is very nice. I do have 2 Storm Talons I use in higher point battles but for 1000pts I prefer to use Devastators with ML and Flakk. I don't have to worry about a reserve roll and they make use of Siege Masters where the Lascannon Predator and Stormtalon don't. You could free up some points going that route and maybe add a TFC. I usually use Sternguard as well but with combi-meltas or bare. I think the choice of a Libby is fine too.

 TheHogweed wrote:
for 1000pts I prefer to use Devastators with ML and Flakk. I don't have to worry about a reserve roll and they make use of Siege Masters

I like the idea of the flakk missiles on the Devastators... with Tank Hunter that makes them worth the points. Good recommendation!

The best way to do it is cent devastators with gravcannons..... 5 shots each glancing on 6's with re-rolls..... win

Woh lots of reply after night.

HB was for the sake of fluff as well it benefits from bolter drill. (its not a super competative scene.)
I can switch out the pred for devs. flakk is too expensive. id prefer to scryers gaze objectives instead if i REALLY need anti air.
Also just noticed i can chuck cents into my elite slot from SoT book so i will probably be replacing the sternguard.

I have about 5 drop pods available but im avoiding it because iv been playing it A LOT so wanted to swtich up my style though i do run 3 for double ironclads (at higher points).

Lucklly we dont have many tau players or WS spam which is why i dont mind the Razors. il go head and twerk the list a bit.

Edit: Also to clarify im aware of how good bikes but i just dont like em they get boring. i plan on making a block for lysander and the assault terminators later

so tweaked lists
Librarian
lvl 2
Bones of Terra thing

Tactical Squad
Rhino
Tactical Squad
Rhino

Centurion Devastator Squad
Chestissles x 3
Grav-cannon and grav-amp
Omniscope

Stormtalon Gunship
Skyhammer Missile Launcher

Devastator Squad
Lascannon x 4

TFC

Puts me at 990. should i just chuck in 2 flamers or 1 heavy weapon into the tack squad?

Seriouly drop pod spam works 10 million times better but the list does look better already, maybe try and drop the omniscope and give meltas to the tac marines if you're insitant on using rhinos that way they can be mobile shooting platforms?

deano134679 wrote:
Seriouly drop pod spam works 10 million times better but the list does look better already, maybe try and drop the omniscope and give meltas to the tac marines if you're insitant on using rhinos that way they can be mobile shooting platforms?

Obviously drop pod spam works. but im trying to avoid it for the sake of the people i play with. i have also played with drop spam plenty of times too so im not missing out or anything.

since NF changed i think two meltas would be fine.

Flakk on Devs isn't that expensive when you consider it can do the work of lascannon devs and the stormtalon. I like Grav-Amp cents but they're so expensive I usually don't run them at low point games. I often have a hard time making them work because of their 24" range anyway. Since IF libbys don't have divination I'll sometimes use a Captain with a SS or the Shield Eternal to tank for them. I prefer to use a Land Raider to dump them in the middle of the board but then you're looking at a 500+ pt unit. It also worth trying out full squads of Devastator Marines. Have the heavy weapons stay back and use the 5 marines with bolters in a Razorback or Rhino. They won't have Obj. Sec. but they'll have both Chapter Tactics. You give up the special weapon a Tac squad can take but Krak Grenades with Siege Masters could be interesting.

Woh wait IF libs dont get divi? when did this happen? edit: Oh snap you are right! well bollocks to that. but still i have the opportunity to ether go telekinesis for the 12" jump or telepathy for invisibility or sanctic for gates.

Iv never had issues with 24" guns though. also the reason i dislike flakk is two fold 1 is generally whatever im shooting at will ether DESTROY my marines (heldrakes) on the turn it arrives or i can ignore them as they will probably have other targets. I also have terrible luck with ST7

I have in the past allied in Tigurius but only at high point games.

Yeah, not much marines can to to survive a heldrake template except hope the guy rolls a 1 to wound... But on the S7 front you do get the Siege Masters reroll.

 TheHogweed wrote:
I have in the past allied in Tigurius but only at high point games.

Yeah, not much marines can to to survive a heldrake template except hope the guy rolls a 1 to wound... But on the S7 front you do get the Siege Masters reroll.

Yeah i know I also used to do that with quad gun interceptor (though i dont run that as much anymore) and devastators.

Also we dont run into thaaat much air which is why i think of the Talon as more of a anti ground flanker with a side of anti air when i need it.