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I've read through the Dreadclaw rules several times from IA13, but I still don't get it. If I understand it correctly, the Dreadclaw deepstrikes, but remains in hover mode. After that, I don't understand anything. Could someone please explain it in a way that doesn't confuse me?

What is confusing?
It has Drop Pod Assault, like loyalists, it can hit units it deepstrikes close to, and it can hit models it moves over.

dethric wrote:
What is confusing?
It has Drop Pod Assault, like loyalists, it can hit units it deepstrikes close to, and it can hit models it moves over.

I think the whole 'being able to move after deep striking' thing is really confusing.

It deep strikes and lands, exactly like a fast skimmer. the guys can get out the turn in lands but cannot assault (unless you do the heat wave attack thing)

The following turn, you can remain a fast skimmer, move 6 and the guys inside can assault. Or you can enter zooming mode, and reposition yourself somewhere more useful.

See it as a flying transport that is able to deep strike like a drop pod. As for starting in hover mode, this means that it moves like a fast skimmer.

It Deep Strikes in and counts as a Hover mode Flyer (So a Fast Skimmer). It can't move any further that movement phase but it can Flat Out (Just as a Deepstriking unit can run).

The next turn it can Zoom like another flyer or continue in Hover mode moving as a Fast Skimmer.

It really is just a Flyer and follows all the rules of a Flyer, except that it must Deepstrike in.

And as a fast skimmer it can turbo boost in the shooting phase to respostion, which counteracts the fact it doesn't have inertial guidance (boo)

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
It Deep Strikes in and counts as a Hover mode Flyer (So a Fast Skimmer). It can't move any further that movement phase but it can Flat Out (Just as a Deepstriking unit can run).

From lack of knowledge of the Dreadclaw rules, is it forced to Hover? As Deep Striking flyers in Zooming mode are also a part of Forgeworld (and debated by RaW though...)

As above.

JUst think of it as a Flyer, with hover mode, that MUST enter play via DS, and MUST Hover when doing so.

Okay, so it deepstrikes and can then the next turn either zoom or hover. Say I choose to hover it, can I disembaek a unit, and then a bit later embark a new unit?

Yes. One of the reasons you pay so many points for it - you can still get a turn two assault, but have far ore flexibility. Rememebr it can go flat out the turn it drops in as well, so you can safely land a fair distance away. As it is an assault vehicle you can move 6", disembark 6" and asasult turn 2 as well.

Disembark for dreadclaw is only 2" not 6"

Because screw you, chaos. Your vehicle disembarks less than other vehicles for no reason.

Also don't forget that at the start of the game you need to roll a die, and on a 1 a model is killed. Also anytime someone embarks in it, you have to roll again.

Thats why you keep your killy units in the transport until it gets destroyed.

 Bahkara wrote:
Disembark for dreadclaw is only 2" not 6"

Not technically true. The actual wording:

"In practice, passengers can disembark at ground level within 2" of the hull." -IA13 p89

This is not restrictive at all (i.e., does not say "only"), so the normal rules for disembarking from Flyers still apply, allowing you to disembark from the base as if it were an additional access point.

My useage would be, depending on terrain and possibilities, either:
1. Drop 20+" away from them, stay in the pod and turbo 18" semi-close to them, preferably behind cover. Turn 2 move 6 inches, disembark 6 inches, plasma blaster/butcher cannon/flamer them to bits and charge. (yea i would run a dreadnought in it, im that suicidal).
2. If he has 10 tanks sitting i would turn 1 drop in cover on my side of the board, turn 2 go zooming and stand behind his sorry ass and hopefully not get skyfired too much, turn 3 hover 6", disembark and move 6", blast away and charge.

Turn 3 is damn late for an expensive unit, but its god a decent chance of survival that shooting phase and being able to drop wthever you want behind his gunline is great, specially for chaos who get shafted on transports anyway.

*edit* im still painting my alpha contemptors for this

It might be a sound tactix with 20-strong csm squads. Especially since they're less vulnerable to getting important guyz eaten. It's transport capacity is 20, right?

The dreadclaw is transport 10 or a dreadnought .
the kharybdis is transport 20 or a dreadnought, and 260 pts!

Yonasu wrote:
My useage would be, depending on terrain and possibilities, either:
1. Drop 20+" away from them, stay in the pod and turbo 18" semi-close to them, preferably behind cover. Turn 2 move 6 inches, disembark 6 inches, plasma blaster/butcher cannon/flamer them to bits and charge. (yea i would run a dreadnought in it, im that suicidal).
2. If he has 10 tanks sitting i would turn 1 drop in cover on my side of the board, turn 2 go zooming and stand behind his sorry ass and hopefully not get skyfired too much, turn 3 hover 6", disembark and move 6", blast away and charge.

Turn 3 is damn late for an expensive unit, but its god a decent chance of survival that shooting phase and being able to drop wthever you want behind his gunline is great, specially for chaos who get shafted on transports anyway.

*edit* im still painting my alpha contemptors for this

But what if that Contemptor has angered the Dice Gods, and rolls a 1? Uh, oh, spagetti-oh!

Uh. Hmm. Thats awful.
I wish fw could write rules sensibly. Theres no reason for the drop pods to come with daemonic possession.

They do have a daemonic transport rule in the rule summary at the back of ia13 which gives the same info worded differently, without the T1 eat check. However no unit I've seen is listed with the rule.


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I much prefer the arvus lighter. You can get 3 in the FA slot with renegade allies.
they are awful, but only 55 points for a drop transport.

 Cheexsta wrote:

 Bahkara wrote:
Disembark for dreadclaw is only 2" not 6"

Not technically true. The actual wording:

"In practice, passengers can disembark at ground level within 2" of the hull." -IA13 p89

This is not restrictive at all (i.e., does not say "only"), so the normal rules for disembarking from Flyers still apply, allowing you to disembark from the base as if it were an additional access point.

Omg, I sometimes think that english is their second language. You can argue that it is 2" since that is the "practical application"


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 Matthew wrote:

Yonasu wrote:
My useage would be, depending on terrain and possibilities, either:
1. Drop 20+" away from them, stay in the pod and turbo 18" semi-close to them, preferably behind cover. Turn 2 move 6 inches, disembark 6 inches, plasma blaster/butcher cannon/flamer them to bits and charge. (yea i would run a dreadnought in it, im that suicidal).
2. If he has 10 tanks sitting i would turn 1 drop in cover on my side of the board, turn 2 go zooming and stand behind his sorry ass and hopefully not get skyfired too much, turn 3 hover 6", disembark and move 6", blast away and charge.

Turn 3 is damn late for an expensive unit, but its god a decent chance of survival that shooting phase and being able to drop wthever you want behind his gunline is great, specially for chaos who get shafted on transports anyway.

*edit* im still painting my alpha contemptors for this

But what if that Contemptor has angered the Dice Gods, and rolls a 1? Uh, oh, spagetti-oh!

Thats why you don't get out. Stay inside close to a unit you want the dread to kill. Once you start hitting units with D6 S5 AP5 hits they pay attention.

 Bahkara wrote:

 Cheexsta wrote:

 Bahkara wrote:
Disembark for dreadclaw is only 2" not 6"

Not technically true. The actual wording:

"In practice, passengers can disembark at ground level within 2" of the hull." -IA13 p89

This is not restrictive at all (i.e., does not say "only"), so the normal rules for disembarking from Flyers still apply, allowing you to disembark from the base as if it were an additional access point.

Omg, I sometimes think that english is their second language. You can argue that it is 2" since that is the "practical application".

Normal Disembark is not 6", it's 0".

Disembark you place the model in base contact with the access point. That's not possible on the Dreadclaw as the access point is suspended in the air. So instead the model "can disembark at ground level within 2" of the hull."

Once disembarked, a model then makes a normal move (but must remain wholly within 6" of the access point).

Thank you, that makes more sense

 Bahkara wrote:


Thats why you don't get out. Stay inside close to a unit you want the dread to kill. Once you start hitting units with D6 S5 AP5 hits they pay attention.

Disembarking doesnt eat the model, embarking does. At deployment as well sadly.

IA 13 has a harsher definition. Since I don't embark, they just start in the drop pods, I don't have to worry

 Bahkara wrote:
IA 13 has a harsher definition.

What page is that on? I can find "Daemonic Transport" but that's a completely different rule.

Since I don't embark, they just start in the drop pods, I don't have to worry

That's a shame, then your unit can never Disembark. As only Embarked units can get out, not units that "just start in".

Then again the Reserve rules say that your unit is indeed Embarked:
"Similarly, you must specify if any units in Reserve are embarked upon any Transport vehicles in Reserve, in which case they will arrive together."

The wording is getting a bit messy here. IA13 does have a summary for daemonic transport rule (but doesn't reference it anywhere that I can see. ) this seems to match the summary of daemonic transports in the back of the CSM codex, however both are different to the description in the main text of the codex, which specifies a roll at the start of the game.

Daemonic Transport and Daemonic Possesion are two completely different rules.

Daemonic Transport is a option for the Chaos Thunderhawk in IA:13.

Daemonic Possesion, which is what the Dredclaw has, is found in Codex: Chaos Space Marines.