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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/24 23:42:58
Subject: American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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So long story short. Naive American teenager wants to help ISIS because she thinks they are "defending muslims"
I guess no one told her that the vast majority of ISIS's victims are..wait for it...muslim.
I think 4 years is so light of a sentence, I'd like to see some sedition or treason charges added.
http://news.yahoo.com/sentencing-set-colorado-woman-terror-case-084837348.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/24 23:46:25
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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She seems pretty... simple.
Maybe thats why the sentence was fairly soft..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/24 23:55:15
Subject: American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Supertony51 wrote:I think 4 years is so light of a sentence, I'd like to see some sedition or treason charges added.
Why stop at that? Let's torture her to death just to prove how serious we are about stopping terrorism! And let's not bother with pesky details like whether sedition or treason are appropriate charges in this situation, SHE NEEDS TO BE MORE GUILTY!!!
Anyway, she's a gullible moron who needs help more than prison time, but this is also kind of alarming:
But Assistant U.S. Attorney Gregory Holloway also said Conley continues to defy authority, making vitriolic comments about law enforcement even though authorities showed restraint in their handling of her case. That's a troubling sign that she may reoffend, Holloway said.
IOW, "respect the police or we'll punish you for it". How many other cases has this person influenced with their inability to understand the difference between being angry and committing crimes?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/24 23:55:49
Subject: American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Steadfast Grey Hunter
Greater Portland Petting Zoo
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Kinda makes you wonder if her mother had any children who survived birth. Peregrine wrote: Supertony51 wrote:I think 4 years is so light of a sentence, I'd like to see some sedition or treason charges added. Why stop at that? Let's torture her to death just to prove how serious we are about stopping terrorism! And let's not bother with pesky details like whether sedition or treason are appropriate charges in this situation, SHE NEEDS TO BE MORE GUILTY!!! Anyway, she's a gullible moron who needs help more than prison time, but this is also kind of alarming: But Assistant U.S. Attorney Gregory Holloway also said Conley continues to defy authority, making vitriolic comments about law enforcement even though authorities showed restraint in their handling of her case. That's a troubling sign that she may reoffend, Holloway said. IOW, "respect the police or we'll punish you for it". How many other cases has this person influenced with their inability to understand the difference between being angry and committing crimes? That might be a slightly..... severe way of interpreting that statement. I would probably read it more like this: "She behaved poorly and was unnecessarily aggressive towards officers who were unbelievably lenient with her. Because of this, and her past behavior, we fear this shows a trend and that she might continue to be a problem in the future." Little less gestapo-y , and a little more "eh, she kinda tweaked, so lets keep an eye on her".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/24 23:59:52
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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nels1031 wrote:She seems pretty... simple.
Maybe thats why the sentence was fairly soft..
Maybe, but I feel that such a light sentence isn't going to do much to deter future ISIS wannabe's Automatically Appended Next Post: Peregrine wrote: Supertony51 wrote:I think 4 years is so light of a sentence, I'd like to see some sedition or treason charges added.
Why stop at that? Let's torture her to death just to prove how serious we are about stopping terrorism! And let's not bother with pesky details like whether sedition or treason are appropriate charges in this situation, SHE NEEDS TO BE MORE GUILTY!!!
Anyway, she's a gullible moron who needs help more than prison time, but this is also kind of alarming:
But Assistant U.S. Attorney Gregory Holloway also said Conley continues to defy authority, making vitriolic comments about law enforcement even though authorities showed restraint in their handling of her case. That's a troubling sign that she may reoffend, Holloway said.
IOW, "respect the police or we'll punish you for it". How many other cases has this person influenced with their inability to understand the difference between being angry and committing crimes?
So what you're saying is that you have nothing more to offer the discussion than sarcasm. Good to know.
Wanting, and attempting to join a internationally reconized terrorist organization that we are in direct conflict with is almost the definition of sedition and/or treason.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 00:03:54
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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What was the point in stopping this girl?
Let them go. They're morons.
Just don't let them back in or help them get back.
Considering the US armed ISIS it seems a little hypocritical given the charges laid against her.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 00:07:34
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Supertony51 wrote:So what you're saying is that you have nothing more to offer the discussion than sarcasm. Good to know.
No, you just didn't bother to read my post. I made a sarcastic comment about your "internet tough guy" nonsense (which is probably more of a serious response than it deserves), and I pointed out the entirely serious problem of the US government's "respect the police or you must be a criminal" position.
Wanting, and attempting to join a internationally reconized terrorist organization that we are in direct conflict with is almost the definition of sedition and/or treason.
Since when is ISIS a domestic rebellion or at war with the US? ISIS is likely guilty of those crimes in the countries where it is fighting, but it isn't treason against the US to attempt to overthrow the government of Iraq.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 00:08:51
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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I think Mr Carlin sums it up quite nicely: There's a surprising amount of people who herp-a-derp through life, is it any surprise that some of them end up doing incredibly dumb stuff like helping ISIS?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 00:14:54
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Supertony51 wrote:Wanting, and attempting to join a internationally reconized terrorist organization that we are in direct conflict with is almost the definition of sedition and/or treason.
Can you show me a declaration of war against ISIL? Can you at least show me a authorization for use of military force against them?
Otherwise I can't see any lawful conflict we are engaged in.
We have statutes on the books against assisting groups that we designate as being engaged in terror activities, and that is all well, but if you want to call "treason", I feel like you better show me a legal conflict.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 00:57:17
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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Ouze wrote: Supertony51 wrote:Wanting, and attempting to join a internationally reconized terrorist organization that we are in direct conflict with is almost the definition of sedition and/or treason.
Can you show me a declaration of war against ISIL? Can you at least show me a authorization for use of military force against them?
Otherwise I can't see any lawful conflict we are engaged in.
We have statutes on the books against assisting groups that we designate as being engaged in terror activities, and that is all well, but if you want to call "treason", I feel like you better show me a legal conflict.
I guess its my opinion more then anything else. I mean were talking about a group that is internationally reconized as being in violation of human rights, gruesome killings including the beheading of American citizens. To offer assistance to that kind of organization seems seditious to me, but hey its just my opinion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 01:05:46
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Douglas Bader
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Supertony51 wrote:To offer assistance to that kind of organization seems seditious to me, but hey its just my opinion.
Then you don't understand what sedition is. It's a specific crime, not a general term for "people doing bad things".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 01:06:08
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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Peregrine wrote: Supertony51 wrote:So what you're saying is that you have nothing more to offer the discussion than sarcasm. Good to know.
No, you just didn't bother to read my post. I made a sarcastic comment about your "internet tough guy" nonsense (which is probably more of a serious response than it deserves), and I pointed out the entirely serious problem of the US government's "respect the police or you must be a criminal" position.
Wanting, and attempting to join a internationally reconized terrorist organization that we are in direct conflict with is almost the definition of sedition and/or treason.
Since when is ISIS a domestic rebellion or at war with the US? ISIS is likely guilty of those crimes in the countries where it is fighting, but it isn't treason against the US to attempt to overthrow the government of Iraq.
how exactly was I trying to be a internet "tough guy" I didn't say I'd do anything to her, I just believe that a 4 year sentence is too light. Furthermore I don't understand how the "respect the police or you must be a criminal" issue applies here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 01:29:46
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Douglas Bader
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Supertony51 wrote:how exactly was I trying to be a internet "tough guy" I didn't say I'd do anything to her, I just believe that a 4 year sentence is too light.
Because you're arguing more punishment and charges that don't make any sense at all for a relatively minor offense (the average drug dealer probably does more harm). It's all "MAKE HER MOAR GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!" and no compelling argument why she needs to be punished more.
Furthermore I don't understand how the "respect the police or you must be a criminal" issue applies here.
Did you read the quote that I posted?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 01:33:59
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Ouze wrote:Can you show me a declaration of war against ISIL? Can you at least show me a authorization for use of military force against them?
As it has been more than 90 days since we initiated military actions against ISIS I would like to see this also.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 01:36:00
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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Peregrine wrote: Supertony51 wrote:how exactly was I trying to be a internet "tough guy" I didn't say I'd do anything to her, I just believe that a 4 year sentence is too light.
Because you're arguing more punishment and charges that don't make any sense at all for a relatively minor offense (the average drug dealer probably does more harm). It's all "MAKE HER MOAR GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!" and no compelling argument why she needs to be punished more.
Furthermore I don't understand how the "respect the police or you must be a criminal" issue applies here.
Did you read the quote that I posted?
Still doesn't equate to "internet tough guy".
You saying that it was a realitively minor offense is an opinion as much as mine about how I feel her sentence was too light. An opinion that I still feel is valid. My argument is that we need to make an example of those who would go overseas to join a internationally reconized terroristic organization that is responsible for human rights violations on a massive scale.
I mean really....4 year sentence? all that does, in my opinion, is show those who would like to join such a organization that we will not punish them harshly for doing so. Automatically Appended Next Post: Dreadclaw69 wrote: Ouze wrote:Can you show me a declaration of war against ISIL? Can you at least show me a authorization for use of military force against them?
As it has been more than 90 days since we initiated military actions against ISIS I would like to see this also.
I'm inclined to agree, make it offical. Seems like we already have a multinational force their combating ISIS. My guess is that Obama doesn't want to take up the mantle of offically starting a conflict.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 01:47:32
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Douglas Bader
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Supertony51 wrote:I mean really....4 year sentence? all that does, in my opinion, is show those who would like to join such a organization that we will not punish them harshly for doing so.
Why should we punish them? Why should the US have the role of being the police for some other country? Why shouldn't dealing with crimes committed elsewhere be the responsibility of those other countries? And don't bother answering with any nonsense about "human rights violations" or whatever, the US is perfectly content to let people get away with all kinds of abusive stuff as long as they're an important ally.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 02:22:23
Subject: American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Having four years of your life taken away is nothing whatsoever to be fair, Peregrine.
Not even a punishment tbh, more like a long holiday.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 02:27:30
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Another way of solving this if they're going to track these people could be to haul them in and fine them. Give them a massive reality check and judge it on a case by case basis.
This one seems like a soft target. While I earlier called her a moron i'm beginning to feel a bit sorry for her.
It's easy for people to get swept up into mental ideologies, if you can stop them before they fully convert then that's a victory. A victory that would have been made more tangible if she could have contributed to society. There are obviously those beyond saving but I doubt this stupid girl was one of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 02:38:16
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Steadfast Grey Hunter
Greater Portland Petting Zoo
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Peregrine wrote: Supertony51 wrote:I mean really....4 year sentence? all that does, in my opinion, is show those who would like to join such a organization that we will not punish them harshly for doing so. Why should we punish them? Why should the US have the role of being the police for some other country? Why shouldn't dealing with crimes committed elsewhere be the responsibility of those other countries? And don't bother answering with any nonsense about "human rights violations" or whatever, the US is perfectly content to let people get away with all kinds of abusive stuff as long as they're an important ally. Honestly, I'm fairly sure we couldn't give a flying feth if her intention was to go over there an steal gak for the sake of stealing gak; we care because we don't want our citizens going over there to provide material aid to an organization who's actively hostile to the U.S., her allies and who could end up being a major pain in our ass.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 04:53:14
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Stonebeard wrote: Peregrine wrote: Supertony51 wrote:I mean really....4 year sentence? all that does, in my opinion, is show those who would like to join such a organization that we will not punish them harshly for doing so.
Why should we punish them? Why should the US have the role of being the police for some other country? Why shouldn't dealing with crimes committed elsewhere be the responsibility of those other countries? And don't bother answering with any nonsense about "human rights violations" or whatever, the US is perfectly content to let people get away with all kinds of abusive stuff as long as they're an important ally.
Honestly, I'm fairly sure we couldn't give a flying feth if her intention was to go over there an steal gak for the sake of stealing gak; we care because we don't want out citizens going over there to provide material aid to an organization who is actively hostile to the U.S., her allies and who could end up being a major pain in our ass.
Holy gak batman, someone gets it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 04:54:30
Subject: American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 05:08:46
Subject: American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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This reminds me of those two idiot teen girls who left France IIRC, then got pregnant and wanted to come home, and one of them was probably shot and killed.
It honestly scares me how ignorant some people can be of organizations they wish to join. As far as I'm concerned, if we catch somebody before they leave, punish them, potentially charge them with treason, and let them think out their mistakes in a cell for a couple years. And if somebody goes overseas, then suddenly gets a reality check when it turns out ISIS isn't all fun and games- leave them.
If they're so mentally weak and gullible to believe the bs ISIS recruiters are selling, then we're better off without them in the nation anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 05:17:06
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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That would be a truly fitting punishment. Ship them all off with a one-way ticket to Syria.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 05:29:40
Subject: American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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Verviedi wrote:Oh, if only all those who say anti-Americans are correct suffered the same fate...
But then there would be no college students...
I don't mind honest to god criticism, thats what keeps us improving as a nation.
What I hate is the driving self loathing that some of my fellow countrymen have. The ones that find the fault in America no matter what the scenario.
Bad weather in Africa...Americas fault
Economic downturn in Brazil...Americas fault.
The gak gets old, and frankly sometimes it makes me pissed that i spent a good portion of my youth serving such idiots.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 07:04:25
Subject: American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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I think we should let them go, just be very explicit that we won't be coming for them, and cancel their passports after they arrive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 07:08:27
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 08:12:57
Subject: Re:American Teen sentenced for trying to help ISIS
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Supertony51 wrote:
I mean really....4 year sentence? all that does, in my opinion, is show those who would like to join such a organization that we will not punish them harshly for doing so.
A 4 year sentence for doing virtually nothing is rather harsh.
Supertony51 wrote:
The gak gets old, and frankly sometimes it makes me pissed that i spent a good portion of my youth serving such idiots.
Careful now, you wouldn't want to be brought up charges of sedition.
Peregrine wrote:
Why should we punish them? Why should the US have the role of being the police for some other country? Why shouldn't dealing with crimes committed elsewhere be the responsibility of those other countries? And don't bother answering with any nonsense about "human rights violations" or whatever, the US is perfectly content to let people get away with all kinds of abusive stuff as long as they're an important ally.
The crime was committed on US soil.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 08:28:53
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Yes, the crime she's being punished for was. The person I was responding to with that post was talking about how we have an obligation to punish people who do (or want to do) bad things in other countries.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 08:38:29
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Peregrine wrote:
Yes, the crime she's being punished for was. The person I was responding to with that post was talking about how we have an obligation to punish people who do (or want to do) bad things in other countries.
I'm pretty sure he was talking about US citizens committing crimes on US soil.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/25 08:44:06
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dogma wrote:I'm pretty sure he was talking about US citizens committing crimes on US soil.
Go back and read the original post then. He's clearly talking about using a harsh sentence as a means to prevent people from doing bad things elsewhere, not because the crime they committed on US soil deserves it by itself. After all, ISIS isn't doing anything on US soil, and the only crime (under US law) committed was making an attempt to join ISIS outside of the US.
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