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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/27 14:22:33
Subject: winsor and newton acrylics
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Hi Guys. I was out doing a spot of shopping and was in "The range" which is a "sells a bit of everything, mostly cheap" type of store. I heard over the in store entertainment that there was an arts and crafts department. Now i need some new drybrushes and thought they would have some nice cheapy brushes for me to use. I walk up there and to my surprise i find a massive winsor and newton display!
So as a bonus I managed to pick up some winsor and newton brushes, a few oil paints and some other essentials (and all this a 10 minute drive away!) but i spotted the acrylics and thought maybe i could give these a go. I didnt buy any just in case I was advised against it as they all come in tubes.
I assume i can just use them like regular acrylics in the pot but they will need some substantial thinning? To be honest the tubes were a pretty big size so i can imagine getting a lot of life out of them?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/27 14:26:36
Subject: winsor and newton acrylics
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I use them to paint on canvas, and they're alright, but I've never tried them on miniatures. They would need a hell of a lot of thinning if you did want to try it - it is really thick, not at all like model paint.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/27 15:37:37
Subject: winsor and newton acrylics
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
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Ugh. I've tried these on miniatures and the grain of the pigment is way too large. You could probably use them on Terrain without a lot of issue, but on miniatures it's just too much. If you want to try, invest in some flow-aid of some sort.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/27 20:12:26
Subject: winsor and newton acrylics
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Gargantuan Gargant
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"Don't bother" would be my advice. Heavy body tube paints, even those of high quality, are designed for such completely different tasks that they're rendered inferior to quality craft paints, when dealing with miniatures. Pigment grain size is generally larger, yes. Perhaps more importantly, pigment density is geared towards use straight out of the tube (or thereabout). When thinned to 'hobby paint' consistency (let alone diluted hobby paint consistency), you're left with comparatively little pigment.
Can they be used? Certainly. Used to good effect? Probably, if you put in the effort. Are you seeing a monetary savings over hobby paints for comparable results? Doubtful, when you factor in the mediums you'll need to add to get similar behavior, the additional layers you'll need for equivalent coverage, etc. Time/effort savings? Hell no.
YMMV, but I would only use heavy body acrylics for three tasks:
1) Painting where I wanted to utilize impasto (texture), as with certain styles on canvas/panel.
2) As a finer and colored substitute for putty when looking to fill texture, as when painting cheap pine plaques as display bases (sanding between applications).
3) As a drybrush/stippling paint on coarsely textured terrain.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/27 21:09:31
Subject: winsor and newton acrylics
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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W&N Make fine quality paint, but its not really suited to our application without some serious additives and mixing.
Theyre really quite thick, (even the soft body ones, while the heavy body ones are like butter) and theyre a lot more glossy than most paints geared for our hobby.
Paints like that have their place, they can be used well with the right mediums and additives, I own a large selection of Galeria which I use for canvases and murals, and still would turn to hobby brands for my figures - convenience of not having to mess about thinning too much.
Regarding what Oadie said; the W&N Artists paints are 'heavy body' ... like butter in a tube
The Galeria are 'soft body' which is closer to ketchup than butter in thickness. If anything from W&N for your models its these, but theyre still way thicker than we're used to.
The matt medium is a good buy. The varnishes are alright too. As are the gesso's. - personally I like Liquitex mediums better (they are marginally different) Not tried Liquitex gesso yet as I got a Litre of black galleria that's never running out if I only prime mini's (I use it on canvas)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/27 21:52:15
Subject: winsor and newton acrylics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Great for terrain and basing. The galleria varnishes airbrush (thinned a bit) very well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/27 22:13:33
Subject: winsor and newton acrylics
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Fixture of Dakka
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@HairySticks -- yeah, all of the mediums from Liquitex are better, IMO, at least when you use it with the typical miniature paints (Citadel, Vallejo, P3, etc).
The paints are for canvas, where you want some body. Brush strokes are good on canvas, and bad on minis, so it's just the wrong purpose. I have read in many places that that W&N makes GW's current line of paints, but I don't know this for a fact.
The brush cleaner from W&N is really outstanding. I like it better than any other product for daily brush maintenance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/27 23:09:49
Subject: winsor and newton acrylics
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Talys wrote: I have read in many places that that W&N makes GW's current line of paints, but I don't know this for a fact.
I dont know for facts... But this company;
http://www.hmgpaint.com/
Used to make one of citadels ranges of yesteryear. I seem to recall that they went back to a UK manufacturer. HMG also supposedly manufacture p3, foundry and coat d'arms.
Theyre a 'coatings and adhesives' specialist company, they do paints for just about all applications from hobby to professional industry.
It would be a reasonable stab to say citadel went back to these guys after the (French?) manufacturer of the previous generation?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 01:09:46
Subject: Re:winsor and newton acrylics
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Thanks for the replies guys. I will probably give it a miss then. I might buy a couple and see if i can get any fancifull effects in the future but it sounds like, even with thinners, its just not meant to be.
It just would have been super convenient to get all mah painting supplies from 1 place close to me. Will stick with ordering online for now then
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