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Forgot problem #1: no more green rods

When is this thing slated for release anyway? LVO forthcoming!

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
Well, I don't know anything about the new necrons, but here is a story about necrons.
One day, my friend bought a box of necrons, but then returned it because there was very little to be done with it.
The necron backstory is really good, but the models are not.
just thought you should know.

I have Necron conversions coming out of my ears. I find them to be very flexible for chopping and recombining parts.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Forgot problem #1: no more green rods

I may be in the minority, but I actually like the green rods.

And I'm looking forward to being able to say that my Necrons are "old school"


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 doktor_g wrote:
When is this thing slated for release anyway? LVO forthcoming!

My FLGS owner told me to come in Saturday, and he'll have plenty of copies, so I assume Saturday.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Not that you'd understand such a mentality, but with age comes experience and thus wisdom.

The new codex seems okay, but a bit... I dunno, lacking in flavour.

 Ashiraya wrote:
The new codex seems okay, but a bit... I dunno, lacking in flavour.

I hope we at least get some scratch-n-sniff.


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changemod wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
Well, I don't know anything about the new necrons, but here is a story about necrons.
One day, my friend bought a box of necrons, but then returned it because there was very little to be done with it.
The necron backstory is really good, but the models are not.
just thought you should know.

I have Necron conversions coming out of my ears. I find them to be very flexible for chopping and recombining parts.

Indeed. Really, you can use Warrior torsos/legs for the basis of any Necron unit that stands on 2 legs and looks like a robot.

 Sigvatr wrote:


Just to be clear, green rods are awesome and one of the main reason I started Necrons. I love them. Still have more than 100 of those lovely sticks.

Yeah, I loved the green rods too. They separate the crons from the rest.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:


T5 2W wraiths is insane. Did they go up in points at least? By, like, a lot? If not, I'm sure there'll be much (justifiable) QQing from nid players in regards to warriors.

Yea....I'm not gonna lie after reading that they got a toughness boost AND added beast to the profile.....oh and can have access to RP now for a measly what 5 ppm bump?. I just kinda looked at my warriors and asked guys what the just happened? also to a lesser degree my terminators.....

what blows my mind about that even more is it was a serious amount of buffs to a unit that even Necron players admit didn't need it? I would just love to ask the writer of this book their logic for that. Considering they may have just buffed them into wave serpent levels of power and its not taking anyone long to see it.

Overall some things took some nerfs but they were things that were obvious to nerf (MSS, Trans Ctan, etc) but overall they buffed the majority of the codex. However with first looks the internal balance still seems to be way off on this one, I see way to many auto includes already and still many things you likely dont want to take.

Sigvatr wrote:- Removal of WBB mechanic: For a lot of players, it doesn't matter and a great many of Necron players started with the 5th codex anyway, thus never really got the hang of it. But there's a distinct difference between tossing models over and letting them "stand back up" instead of just rolling an extra dice. If, for example, 10 models lie down on the battlefield and then stand up at the end of the turn, then this not only is a good thing game-wise, it also perfectly connects rules and fluff as this is exactly what WBB would look like in the actual game. Even RP contained said mechanic to a lesser degree.

I do feel you on this one. My "Resurrection Protocol markers" always looked suspiciously like Necrons placed on their side. It was our greatest fear leading up to the 5th edition codex that WBB would be nerfed to FnP... and now it's actually happened. :(

- Distinct melee focus: This is breaking with the entire Necron theme. Necrons are the least suited army for combat prowess and have always been compensated by special rules for it. The recent insane buff on melee doesn't make any sense and was clearly decided to make Necrons more well-rounded, thus catering to more players.

Necrons themselves didn't get any more fighty, did they? Historically our melee units have always been robots, although the Lychguard did start to change that... I hardly think making Lychguard somewhat good at their jobs destroys the feel of the army.

- Regeneration Orb: Necron Lords have been constructed to serve as power-conduits for regular Necrons. One-time use items just don't work that way.

Hate trying to spell Resurrection too, huh? Thing is, Lords aren't Res Orbs. If Lords were designed to work like you suggest, they wouldn't need to be equipped with Res Orbs.

- Blandness / Generic: The entirety of the codex has nothing "Necron" about it. It could easily be any SM codex with FNP stuff etc. thrown around.

I disagree. We still have Gauss. We still have Silver Tide. We still have ridiculously big guns on ridiculously small skimmer chassis. We still have Scarabs, even if they are now worse than they were in the third edition codex. There's even the Monolith for you new-age types.

- Models: Necron Lords posing like humans...ugh. We already had vehicles with drivers, but it's seemingly getting worse. The new Necron Lord model features a very dynamic and "Come at me bro!" pose that neither fits Necrons, nor does it do anything good to make the codex look less generic.

I saw it more as 'standing on a hill surveying the battlefield', but to each their own.

jasper76 wrote:Did anyone notice that Gauss now auto-wounds on a 6 regardless of Toughness (in addition to auto-glancing vehicles on a 6).

This seems odd...why? I don't have my To Wound chart in front of me, but is there a Toughness that S4 wouldn't wound on a 6? I know LOTR has some Toughnesses that low strength weapons wound on a 6 followed by a 4+, but I don't remember ever seeing that happen in any 40k game.

Well, in the 3e codex, this is what Gauss did - wound anything, glance anything, as long as you roll the relevant 6. Why they lost the wound anything part for the 5e codex... well, I always put it down to a copy-paste error.

Sigvatr wrote:Forgot problem #1: no more green rods

Pah! You younglings. When I started Necrons, we had to figure out OSL on our own to make our guns look glowy! You've been spoilt, all this time when you can just shine an LED on it!

DeadWingman wrote:
Read first decide later

Play 20-30 games first, decide later. Unless one wants to be a dumbass that is.

 BlackArmour wrote:

 Kap'n Krump wrote:


T5 2W wraiths is insane. Did they go up in points at least? By, like, a lot? If not, I'm sure there'll be much (justifiable) QQing from nid players in regards to warriors.

Yea....I'm not gonna lie after reading that they got a toughness boost AND added beast to the profile.....oh and can have access to RP now for a measly what 5 ppm bump?. I just kinda looked at my warriors and asked guys what the just happened? also to a lesser degree my terminators.....

what blows my mind about that even more is it was a serious amount of buffs to a unit that even Necron players admit didn't need it? I would just love to ask the writer of this book their logic for that. Considering they may have just buffed them into wave serpent levels of power and its not taking anyone long to see it.

Overall some things took some nerfs but they were things that were obvious to nerf (MSS, Trans Ctan, etc) but overall they buffed the majority of the codex. However with first looks the internal balance still seems to be way off on this one, I see way to many auto includes already and still many things you likely dont want to take.

I actually have to respectfully disagree about the auto-includes. Wraiths, sure, if you wanna be "that guy". But honestly, I've found more synergy in this book than the last. A D-lord and a Veil of Darkness Cryptek Deep Striking with Flayed Ones, then popping the solar staff so they're invisible a turn? Then charging and annihilating pretty much anything? Or Lychguard deathstars being a thing. Or Tomb Blades being awesomely cheap and effective now. Destroyers, I've looked, might not be quite ppm effective at killing vehicles like Immortals, but would be fun to play because of Jet Packs. Triarch Praetorians are usuable, as we have little AP2 shooting, and now they're 12" and not unwieldy in CC. Doomsday Arks are devastating now. Doom Scythes are still good. Deathmarks got a slight nerf, but got cheaper, and one of their useless rules now has a good and fluffy use. Immortals and Warriors are still good. Most named HQs (Except like, Obyron), got cheaper and still have a use, whether it be buffing (Wow, Necrons with a buffing unit? And multiple of them? Whoa), or bringing some decent power. Hell, I take back what I said. Ctans might be unreliable, but they'd be fun to play at least, and the Nightbringer would be nigh unstoppable against some armies.

All in all, I agree with the lack of flavor in this book, but it has been brought in line with the power level of 7th, maybe even a tad higher. And you have a lot of options to play what you want, and mix together units and wargear to get cool things. Like, as I said, Invisible DSing Flayed Ones that reroll scatter, have Preferred Enemy, a 5+ Invuln against shooting, and a 4+ FNP, backed up by a D-lord. I mean, come on....


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morgoth wrote:


That may not be the case.

The worst offenders have been nerfed, but there have been a large number of improvements so it might result in something just as good - I hope it's a straight nerf to about the same power level as others v7 codexes though.

We really don't need GW to feth up any codexes right now, especially not one that has been fethed up for ages.

Man, I hope you start a thread when the 7th ed. Eldar book comes out. =D

Is there any codex which will be as interesting to recieve as the 7th edition codex eldar? I can see it being 'walk away from the table' time for a whole bunch of people, which ever way the book drops.

The necron codex seems fine, Wraith being buffed is probably the best thing, everything else was expected, I don't even see the maxed out army slots of 18 of those new wraith in an army being on par with the cheese some armies can do. We got away with a new codex without being made into orks. Necron players should be happy.
I like orks, but they are rubbish.

 Sigvatr wrote:
It's a soulless codex. Nothing to do with Necrons anymore, just written for powergamers and the rules could be easily applied to any random Space Marine army.

I can't believe no one's pointed out the irony of this statement yet.

I'm pretty happy with the new Codex myself.

I enjoyed the Fluff-shift from 3rd to 5th though, so it was never a big deal.

I do miss the flavor of the Old RP/WBB but I'm ok with it.

I like the new RP. It feels like they don't even have to slow down now as they pull themselves back together which is awesome.

RP is not just a FNP, its a lot better in fact. being that it can be buffed to a 4+ and also an ability to re-roll 1 time or can also gain re-rolls of 1's and can be used against instant death. FNP can't do any of those

What is it you don't like again? lol

I'm definitely excited, but I also have a special place in my heart for wraiths. The C'tan is disappointing though. Random powers is stupid but I feel like they're closely grouped up enough that you won't often be too sad with any given roll. The burning conclave is definitely worth trying out though. So much t8 (because you're bringing the God Shackle obv). Barges are still good, but I'm going to give the Canoptek harvest a chance (I think spyders are pretty solid on their own, and getting a 3+ then a 4+ at t6 is pretty silly for 50 points. If they weren't WS 3 with only 2 attacks AND SO FREAKING SLOW they would be pretty solid on their own merits.

 jasper76 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Forgot problem #1: no more green rods

I may be in the minority, but I actually like the green rods.

And I'm looking forward to being able to say that my Necrons are "old school"

Necrons with green rods are old school?

Huh, I wonder what that makes my 2nd Edition era army of 100+ Warriors, 30+ Immortals, and 30+ Destroyers?

 Sigvatr wrote:
It's a soulless codex. Nothing to do with Necrons anymore, just written for powergamers and the rules could be easily applied to any random Space Marine army.

I thought Necrons were powerful soulless killing machines reaping the enemies souls to fill their void inside.

What's your guys opinion on the nightbringers special ability, does it have to target the same unit as his c'tan power? Reading sounds ambiguous but the only models I know that are allowed to target multiple units are those with split shot.

Punisher wrote:
What's your guys opinion on the nightbringers special ability, does it have to target the same unit as his c'tan power? Reading sounds ambiguous but the only models I know that are allowed to target multiple units are those with split shot.

After giving it some careful consideration, the Nightbringer, against certain armies, could be devastating. Still don't care for random powers though...

To answer your question, I'm not entirely sure. I've heard you can, and I've heard you can't. It depends on how the wording is on the Powers of the Ctan rule. It would be cool, however, that he'd be able to.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Forgot problem #1: no more green rods

I may be in the minority, but I actually like the green rods.

And I'm looking forward to being able to say that my Necrons are "old school"

Necrons with green rods are old school?

Huh, I wonder what that makes my 2nd Edition era army of 100+ Warriors, 30+ Immortals, and 30+ Destroyers?

Plenty of comfortable seating for your warriors.

 Sasori wrote:
I'm pretty happy with the new Codex myself.

Is it released allready?

Punisher wrote:
What's your guys opinion on the nightbringers special ability, does it have to target the same unit as his c'tan power? Reading sounds ambiguous but the only models I know that are allowed to target multiple units are those with split shot.

I don't understand why people are saying that the c'tan got nerfed/ are worse. They cost roughly the same as the old but come with powers that now at least have a chance to deal with anything and have special powers aside from their shooting.

As for the Nightbringer I saw that too and now wanna run a bash brothers list with the night bringer and deceiver. Not sure if I wanna go with the cryptek formations or not from SOB:Ex and if i do what to kit the teks with.

Funny... Necrons and Tau are the only two armies I think are beyond screwing up, simply because of the cool factor.

Oberron wrote:

Punisher wrote:
What's your guys opinion on the nightbringers special ability, does it have to target the same unit as his c'tan power? Reading sounds ambiguous but the only models I know that are allowed to target multiple units are those with split shot.

I don't understand why people are saying that the c'tan got nerfed/ are worse. They cost roughly the same as the old but come with powers that now at least have a chance to deal with anything and have special powers aside from their shooting.

As for the Nightbringer I saw that too and now wanna run a bash brothers list with the night bringer and deceiver. Not sure if I wanna go with the cryptek formations or not from SOB:Ex and if i do what to kit the teks with.

What to kit the Teks with? You ask like there are options now. >.>

Also, it didn't get nerfed, it got better, and overall slightly cheaper and got a good amount of flavor added to them. My personal gripe is the random power bull crap. I can't imagine shooting at a Landraider or shooting at a group of Boyz and getting the power I want....

Johnnytorrance wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Melevolence wrote:
The doom and gloom is real. Always, always is with new codecies. Everyone is being brought into line with the other books. Crazy powerful stuff for the most part is being neutered. I don't play Crons, but I have been pleasantly surprised with what I've hear has gotten buffed up, and only nodded in agreement with the vast majority of what got nerfed.

A lot of people ripped on the Ork book, but now that it has had proper field testing, I hear 80% less of people complaining and legit loving their codex.

I hear 80% less complaining because everyone I know who played orks quit the game >.>

I have a huge ork army and I can't justify pulling it out and playing. Mob rule is a horrible rule. They made an assault army, in a shooting edition kill itself in an assault.

I can't think of anything good about the ork codex, it's only fun if you play certain formations but even then you're Gimping yourself

lol.

Ever tried all boyz with trukkz ?

The only thing that sucks with Orkz is trying to play them as some wussy elite army with a single CAD at 1850 points.

It's not Orky, it doesn't fit the fluff and it doesn't work in game.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:- Removal of WBB mechanic: For a lot of players, it doesn't matter and a great many of Necron players started with the 5th codex anyway, thus never really got the hang of it. But there's a distinct difference between tossing models over and letting them "stand back up" instead of just rolling an extra dice. If, for example, 10 models lie down on the battlefield and then stand up at the end of the turn, then this not only is a good thing game-wise, it also perfectly connects rules and fluff as this is exactly what WBB would look like in the actual game. Even RP contained said mechanic to a lesser degree.

I do feel you on this one. My "Resurrection Protocol markers" always looked suspiciously like Necrons placed on their side. It was our greatest fear leading up to the 5th edition codex that WBB would be nerfed to FnP... and now it's actually happened. :(

It's an upgrade that simplifies game rules, why would you hate on it ?


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 krodarklorr wrote:

morgoth wrote:


That may not be the case.

The worst offenders have been nerfed, but there have been a large number of improvements so it might result in something just as good - I hope it's a straight nerf to about the same power level as others v7 codexes though.

We really don't need GW to feth up any codexes right now, especially not one that has been fethed up for ages.

Man, I hope you start a thread when the 7th ed. Eldar book comes out. =D

The more i read about Wraiths the more afraid I am that they might make it even more powerful.

I just hope most people are wrong and the new Necron dex is weaker as it should be, and that Tau and Eldar are going to follow in that same line of thought.


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Forgot problem #1: no more green rods

I may be in the minority, but I actually like the green rods.

And I'm looking forward to being able to say that my Necrons are "old school"

Necrons with green rods are old school?

Huh, I wonder what that makes my 2nd Edition era army of 100+ Warriors, 30+ Immortals, and 30+ Destroyers?

A ton of ugly models, mostly.

morgoth wrote:


The more i read about Wraiths the more afraid I am that they might make it even more powerful.

I just hope most people are wrong and the new Necron dex is weaker as it should be, and that Tau and Eldar are going to follow in that same line of thought.

I mean, all in all the Wraiths got a bit more fluffy, and reverted more-so back to the 3rd edition book. Them being beasts makes sense to me. So, can't really complain.

The big thing is that Necrons have been brought into line with Eldar and Tau, not only on power level, but only being a strong army by those who combine models and rules and use synergy. Necrons never truely had that before, imho. The new dex will probably be really strong, just not in an obviously OP manner. It'll take more than A barges and night Scythes to bring home a victory.

 krodarklorr wrote:

morgoth wrote:


The more i read about Wraiths the more afraid I am that they might make it even more powerful.

I just hope most people are wrong and the new Necron dex is weaker as it should be, and that Tau and Eldar are going to follow in that same line of thought.

I mean, all in all the Wraiths got a bit more fluffy, and reverted more-so back to the 3rd edition book. Them being beasts makes sense to me. So, can't really complain.

The big thing is that Necrons have been brought into line with Eldar and Tau, not only on power level, but only being a strong army by those who combine models and rules and use synergy. Necrons never truely had that before, imho. The new dex will probably be really strong, just not in an obviously OP manner. It'll take more than A barges and night Scythes to bring home a victory.

The big thing is that Necrons were ALREADY in line with Eldar and Tau in terms of power level. In case you haven't noticed they were in the top 3 for years and dealing at 50% against Eldar and Tau.
That's where them being buffed could be a big problem.

And the new dex may not take more than Wraiths and something else to bring home a victory.

Time will tell though.

Hahaha, classic Morgoth.
Necrons were 5th at best, way lower than Eldar (and Tau in 6th).
ToF had their overall winchance at 55%, hardly something I would call overpowered when other armies are at 65-70%

Melee-only isn't going to win you the game in 7th Edition, they needed AB/NS-support and that has been nerfed in points.