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2015/01/30 10:00:32
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
'I am upset that resurrection protocols got better, the wraith cheese got cheesier, and, with the exception of tesla, everything got better.'
Gimme a break. The only thing you lost was the stupid haywire crypteks and the ability to jink and shoot almost as effectively as not jinking.if you were an old(er)con player, you should be happy that your flayed ones and destroyers you've had sitting in a box for years are not a gimp inclusion.
Are flayed ones fast attack? If so, the only thing they suffer from is not being wraiths. If they are elites, they are better anti horde than lychguard and praetorians, as far as I can tell.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
2015/01/30 11:37:26
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
2015/01/30 12:00:58
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
I'm disappointed at the fact that neither the Monolith or the Obelisk have any sort of deep strike mishap protection.
I wonder how the Obelisk (Super Heavy) handles a 1 on the mishap table. While it would be destroyed the Super Heavy rules say it only takes some hull points off for anything that "destroys" it... So where would it end up landing?
Also the Canoptek Harvest formation having "Move through cover" is a bit pointless as everything in the formation is either a beast or MC....
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Crazyterran wrote: 'Are flayed ones fast attack? If so, the only thing they suffer from is not being wraiths. If they are elites, they are better anti horde than lychguard and praetorians, as far as I can tell.
They are a Elite selection
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2015/01/30 12:02:35
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
Crazyterran wrote: 'I am upset that resurrection protocols got better, the wraith cheese got cheesier, and, with the exception of tesla, everything got better.'
Yes. Yes I am.
Gimme a break. The only thing you lost was the stupid haywire crypteks and the ability to jink and shoot almost as effectively as not jinking.
And teleportation spam. We definitely lost that.
if you were an old(er)con player, you should be happy that your flayed ones and destroyers you've had sitting in a box for years are not a gimp inclusion.
Are flayed ones fast attack? If so, the only thing they suffer from is not being wraiths. If they are elites, they are better anti horde than lychguard and praetorians, as far as I can tell.
Elites. Models are still gak though, and my Destroyers can't be used as Destroyers any more since they're clearly Jetbikes, thank you very much.
Also, to whoever said the 2e 'crons were ugly? You are a filthy heretic and are no longer allowed an opinion. 2e crons. Best crons.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
2015/01/30 13:57:28
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
Crazyterran wrote: 'I am upset that resurrection protocols got better, the wraith cheese got cheesier, and, with the exception of tesla, everything got better.'
Yes. Yes I am.
Gimme a break. The only thing you lost was the stupid haywire crypteks and the ability to jink and shoot almost as effectively as not jinking.
And teleportation spam. We definitely lost that.
if you were an old(er)con player, you should be happy that your flayed ones and destroyers you've had sitting in a box for years are not a gimp inclusion.
Are flayed ones fast attack? If so, the only thing they suffer from is not being wraiths. If they are elites, they are better anti horde than lychguard and praetorians, as far as I can tell.
Elites. Models are still gak though, and my Destroyers can't be used as Destroyers any more since they're clearly Jetbikes, thank you very much.
Also, to whoever said the 2e 'crons were ugly? You are a filthy heretic and are no longer allowed an opinion. 2e crons. Best crons.
If by teleportation spam you mean night scythes and invasion beam spam, then, uh, balancing? I'm pretty sure it's what carried the codex through the later parts of 6th with wraiths and barges.
vipoid wrote: Did you know that a strawman is made of straw?
The op's argument is about the fluff being 'dead' and the flavour being 'gone'.
If he's a fan of the original necron fluff, the I to been dead since the 5th Ed book came out. If the flavour being gone is the argument, it is stil there, as resurrection protocol now has them repairing the damage as they steadily March forwards, rather than them dying and coming back.
seeing as he claimed to be an oldcorn player, he should be happy that all of the original units, such as destroyers and flayed ones, now have better rules. Rules that better reflect the fluff, especially for flayed ones. He can always continue to play his army as a tomb that is controlled by a particularly powerful shard, thus making them soulless robots.
Gameplay wise I don't see what necrons have to complain about. Other than wraiths being too good thus making other fast attack choices bad. And even then, they should be complaining in an ironic matter!
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
2015/01/30 14:57:14
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
No, by teleportation spam I mean 2x Veiltek + Obyron. Nightscythe invasion beaming is still perfectly viable in the codex.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
2015/01/30 19:18:48
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
krodarklorr wrote: Seriously, do you guys really like all of the supposed leaks for the new Necron book? At first they were okay, but honestly, the more pieces get added to the puzzle, the more I'm thinking of packing up 40k for good.
Apparently you aren't actually looking at the pictures that have been posted directly from the codex, only a couple of things have changed. The only real nerf was the transcendant c'tan and a few other things. Beyond that they stayed more or less the same. People acted the same way over the Tyranid codex and you know what? They are way better than what they were in their fifth ed codex. Same can be said about IG.
2015/01/30 19:31:51
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
krodarklorr wrote: Seriously, do you guys really like all of the supposed leaks for the new Necron book? At first they were okay, but honestly, the more pieces get added to the puzzle, the more I'm thinking of packing up 40k for good.
Apparently you aren't actually looking at the pictures that have been posted directly from the codex, only a couple of things have changed. The only real nerf was the transcendant c'tan and a few other things. Beyond that they stayed more or less the same. People acted the same way over the Tyranid codex and you know what? They are way better than what they were in their fifth ed codex. Same can be said about IG.
I haven't seen a screenshot of the monolith yet, but I've heard they did nothing to make it useable. Thats also disappointing.
40k:
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2015/01/31 11:02:53
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
Melevolence wrote: Will one unit make the new dex, in the eyes of the majority, 'unbalanced'.
Riptides
I can win games without a riptide. I don't even own a normal riptide. However I did recently get the XV109 Y'VARAH because it looks awesome and its rules look awesome, and fairly priced at 230 points. (It didn't do well in my play testing though)
iGuy91 wrote: You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
Elbows wrote: You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures...
the_scotsman wrote: Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
2015/01/31 13:46:29
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
Don't know if this has been mentioned as well but Wraiths are also now beasts which means they are even faster moving across the table, being able to go 12 inches a turn and still avoid terrain? That is scary for any army that relies on shooting.
Also the above post, whoever thinks the Riptide is over powered needs to get there gameplay straight. There's plenty of the game that can handle Riptides reliably.
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2015/01/31 14:41:37
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
gmaleron wrote: Don't know if this has been mentioned as well but Wraiths are also now beasts which means they are even faster moving across the table, being able to go 12 inches a turn and still avoid terrain? That is scary for any army that relies on shooting.
They could do that before with Wraithfight and jump packs.
However, now they can fleet their charge... ummmm.
2015/01/31 20:27:47
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
gmaleron wrote: Don't know if this has been mentioned as well but Wraiths are also now beasts which means they are even faster moving across the table, being able to go 12 inches a turn and still avoid terrain? That is scary for any army that relies on shooting.
Also the above post, whoever thinks the Riptide is over powered needs to get there gameplay straight. There's plenty of the game that can handle Riptides reliably.
The problem is that there's a lot of the game that can't, particularly in multiples.
Since the Tau codex came out, the biggest telling fact about it to me is that I have yet to see a single Tau army, even like 750/1000pt armies, that *don't* have at least one and I certainly can't think of a Tau army I've seen or read about at a Tournament that didn't have at least one (more usually two). When there's that sort of ubiquity, it's an indication something is wrong.
That's sort of the problem with 40k in general really. You can take anything and say "well there's X, Y, and Z that can deal with this perfectly", but then many armies don't have access to those or only have access to Z, but in taking Z they give up critical capability A to deal with other broken unit B in army C.
Yeah, Riptides, Wave Serpents, Wraightknights, Wraiths, FMC's, and Knights all have counters. Trying to fit them all in one list, particularly to deal with multiples of each, is impossible and leads to a greater and greater number of games that are one-sided curbstomps.
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2015/02/01 19:28:43
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
Not if you play for a laugh, Vaktathi. I played a 750 point game yesterday where I basically just spammed vets with little good equipment (carapace) with 2 chimeras for the ones I gave three flamers to 4 de lolz, against am ultrasmurf army with three centurions, a whirlwind and calgar+honour guard. I lost, due to me not having any ap2 except one lazcannon, but we had a laugh, and I didn't mind getting my arse handed to me by a wacky list.
This illustrates the problem with play to win, not 40k. If you focus too much on "I have to counter everything in the meta, mustn't lose any games" then the whole experience becomes worthless. If you turn up with 50 guardsmen and a few vehicles, looking for a laugh and a huge dead pile, you're gonna' enjoy it a lot more.
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iGuy91 wrote: You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
Elbows wrote: You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures...
the_scotsman wrote: Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
2015/02/01 19:38:59
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
Also, to whoever said the 2e 'crons were ugly? You are a filthy heretic and are no longer allowed an opinion. 2e crons. Best crons.
Damn straight! 90% of my Necron collection is 2E Necrons. I can field a full 100+ phalanx of just metal Warriors.
Vaktathi wrote: Since the Tau codex came out, the biggest telling fact about it to me is that I have yet to see a single Tau army, even like 750/1000pt armies, that *don't* have at least one and I certainly can't think of a Tau army I've seen or read about at a Tournament that didn't have at least one (more usually two). When there's that sort of ubiquity, it's an indication something is wrong.
Not always. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, as you do have a solid point, but if I had a Tau army, I would have a Riptide in it. Not because it has great rules, but because I think it looks cool and make for a great centerpiece. But, I admit, I may be the exception rather than the rule.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
2015/02/01 19:50:18
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
CREEEEEEEEED wrote: Not if you play for a laugh, Vaktathi. I played a 750 point game yesterday where I basically just spammed vets with little good equipment (carapace) with 2 chimeras for the ones I gave three flamers to 4 de lolz, against am ultrasmurf army with three centurions, a whirlwind and calgar+honour guard. I lost, due to me not having any ap2 except one lazcannon, but we had a laugh, and I didn't mind getting my arse handed to me by a wacky list.
This illustrates the problem with play to win, not 40k. If you focus too much on "I have to counter everything in the meta, mustn't lose any games" then the whole experience becomes worthless. If you turn up with 50 guardsmen and a few vehicles, looking for a laugh and a huge dead pile, you're gonna' enjoy it a lot more.
If you play for a laugh, every single game ever conceived out there will do, no matter how atrocious its rules are.
In fact, "if you X for a laugh" can be used as an excuse for basically everything.
- Wow, you spent 30€ in this atrocious miscast monopose miniature?
- Doesn't matter, I paint for a laugh.
Progress is like a herd of pigs: everybody is interested in the produced benefits, but nobody wants to deal with all the resulting gak.
GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous princing they get.
2015/02/01 21:29:42
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
CREEEEEEEEED wrote: Not if you play for a laugh, Vaktathi. I played a 750 point game yesterday where I basically just spammed vets with little good equipment (carapace) with 2 chimeras for the ones I gave three flamers to 4 de lolz, against am ultrasmurf army with three centurions, a whirlwind and calgar+honour guard. I lost, due to me not having any ap2 except one lazcannon, but we had a laugh, and I didn't mind getting my arse handed to me by a wacky list.
This illustrates the problem with play to win, not 40k. If you focus too much on "I have to counter everything in the meta, mustn't lose any games" then the whole experience becomes worthless. If you turn up with 50 guardsmen and a few vehicles, looking for a laugh and a huge dead pile, you're gonna' enjoy it a lot more.
If you play for a laugh, every single game ever conceived out there will do, no matter how atrocious its rules are.
In fact, "if you X for a laugh" can be used as an excuse for basically everything.
- Wow, you spent 30€ in this atrocious miscast monopose miniature?
- Doesn't matter, I paint for a laugh.
Oh good to know. I murder people and oppress minorities for a laugh. /s You can't "x for a laugh".
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CREEEEEEEEED wrote: Not if you play for a laugh, Vaktathi. I played a 750 point game yesterday where I basically just spammed vets with little good equipment (carapace) with 2 chimeras for the ones I gave three flamers to 4 de lolz, against am ultrasmurf army with three centurions, a whirlwind and calgar+honour guard. I lost, due to me not having any ap2 except one lazcannon, but we had a laugh, and I didn't mind getting my arse handed to me by a wacky list.
This illustrates the problem with play to win, not 40k. If you focus too much on "I have to counter everything in the meta, mustn't lose any games" then the whole experience becomes worthless. If you turn up with 50 guardsmen and a few vehicles, looking for a laugh and a huge dead pile, you're gonna' enjoy it a lot more.
If you play for a laugh, every single game ever conceived out there will do, no matter how atrocious its rules are.
In fact, "if you X for a laugh" can be used as an excuse for basically everything.
- Wow, you spent 30€ in this atrocious miscast monopose miniature?
- Doesn't matter, I paint for a laugh.
Oh good to know. I murder people and oppress minorities for a laugh. /s You can't "x for a laugh".
There is a movie called Smiley that is exactly that.
It's easy to assume that people arguing an interpretation you disagree with are just looking for an advantage for themselves... But it's quite often not the case.
2015/02/01 21:45:30
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
CREEEEEEEEED wrote: Not if you play for a laugh, Vaktathi. I played a 750 point game yesterday where I basically just spammed vets with little good equipment (carapace) with 2 chimeras for the ones I gave three flamers to 4 de lolz, against am ultrasmurf army with three centurions, a whirlwind and calgar+honour guard. I lost, due to me not having any ap2 except one lazcannon, but we had a laugh, and I didn't mind getting my arse handed to me by a wacky list.
This illustrates the problem with play to win, not 40k. If you focus too much on "I have to counter everything in the meta, mustn't lose any games" then the whole experience becomes worthless. If you turn up with 50 guardsmen and a few vehicles, looking for a laugh and a huge dead pile, you're gonna' enjoy it a lot more.
If you play for a laugh, every single game ever conceived out there will do, no matter how atrocious its rules are.
In fact, "if you X for a laugh" can be used as an excuse for basically everything.
- Wow, you spent 30€ in this atrocious miscast monopose miniature?
- Doesn't matter, I paint for a laugh.
Oh good to know. I murder people and oppress minorities for a laugh. /s You can't "x for a laugh".
There is a movie called Smiley that is exactly that.
"Movie". Try that in real life and get back to me.
CREEEEEEEEED wrote: Not if you play for a laugh, Vaktathi. I played a 750 point game yesterday where I basically just spammed vets with little good equipment (carapace) with 2 chimeras for the ones I gave three flamers to 4 de lolz, against am ultrasmurf army with three centurions, a whirlwind and calgar+honour guard. I lost, due to me not having any ap2 except one lazcannon, but we had a laugh, and I didn't mind getting my arse handed to me by a wacky list.
This illustrates the problem with play to win, not 40k. If you focus too much on "I have to counter everything in the meta, mustn't lose any games" then the whole experience becomes worthless. If you turn up with 50 guardsmen and a few vehicles, looking for a laugh and a huge dead pile, you're gonna' enjoy it a lot more.
If you play for a laugh, every single game ever conceived out there will do, no matter how atrocious its rules are.
In fact, "if you X for a laugh" can be used as an excuse for basically everything.
- Wow, you spent 30€ in this atrocious miscast monopose miniature? - Doesn't matter, I paint for a laugh.
Oh good to know. I murder people and oppress minorities for a laugh. /s You can't "x for a laugh".
Well, that escalated quickly.
Might as join in. I drive my enemies before me and hear the lamentations of their women for the lulz.
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2015/02/02 20:33:42
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
My best friend plays necrons and after reading the new Codex I absolutely have no idea how to beat him. We just started playing a few months ago and I got used to the "focus one unit" approach to necrons, but now I have no idea what to do. His basic troops have a weapon that can wound anything with a 4+ and a 4+FNP. I am so angry that resurrection changed to FNP. It was so fluffy before to knock them over and stand them back up. Now I can't just take out a warrior group with massed AP fire as they roll to save instead of at the end to stand back up.
Honestly, I really just don't want to play Necrons anymore. I have to put so much into taking down their basic troops, let alone the rest of their army. I play guard so I have answers, but it just baffles me how much work I need to put into making my lists to compete with his while he just takes whatever he finds fun because they are durable and will last. I would much rather play Eldar, at least I don't have to spend entire turns shooting my entire army at one of their troop choices.
Not to just sit here and rant. I'll play them more and get used to fighting them, but as a new player its so daunting to deal with. I play against Tyranids, Orks, Chaos, and Space Marines. I find all of those armies fun and fair for various reasons. Yet, when I fight Necrons I just constantly feel like nothing I do is really efficiently effecting them.
"While a single mass reactive bolter shell from a Space Marine can stop a single foe in their tracks, the hail of a million lasguns can halt the advance of an entire army"
2015/02/02 20:41:11
Subject: Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
RaptorHunter wrote: My best friend plays necrons and after reading the new Codex I absolutely have no idea how to beat him. We just started playing a few months ago and I got used to the "focus one unit" approach to necrons, but now I have no idea what to do. His basic troops have a weapon that can wound anything with a 4+ .
Well, that's wrong. Nothing in the book allows him to do that, unless he's fielding purely deathmarks. Also, you do realize that Instant Death gives a -1 penalty to RP, right? That 4+ from the cryptek or Decurion becomes a 5+
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2015/02/02 23:05:11
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
RaptorHunter wrote: My best friend plays necrons and after reading the new Codex I absolutely have no idea how to beat him. We just started playing a few months ago and I got used to the "focus one unit" approach to necrons, but now I have no idea what to do. His basic troops have a weapon that can wound anything with a 4+ .
Well, that's wrong. Nothing in the book allows him to do that, unless he's fielding purely deathmarks.
And even then it's a 2+ once per unit and with specific restrictions.
2015/02/02 23:49:35
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
RaptorHunter wrote: My best friend plays necrons and after reading the new Codex I absolutely have no idea how to beat him. We just started playing a few months ago and I got used to the "focus one unit" approach to necrons, but now I have no idea what to do. His basic troops have a weapon that can wound anything with a 4+ and a 4+FNP. I am so angry that resurrection changed to FNP. It was so fluffy before to knock them over and stand them back up. Now I can't just take out a warrior group with massed AP fire as they roll to save instead of at the end to stand back up.
Honestly, I really just don't want to play Necrons anymore. I have to put so much into taking down their basic troops, let alone the rest of their army. I play guard so I have answers, but it just baffles me how much work I need to put into making my lists to compete with his while he just takes whatever he finds fun because they are durable and will last. I would much rather play Eldar, at least I don't have to spend entire turns shooting my entire army at one of their troop choices.
Not to just sit here and rant. I'll play them more and get used to fighting them, but as a new player its so daunting to deal with. I play against Tyranids, Orks, Chaos, and Space Marines. I find all of those armies fun and fair for various reasons. Yet, when I fight Necrons I just constantly feel like nothing I do is really efficiently effecting them.
As a necron player this post made me moist. (Altough i can understand your frustration)
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stealth992 wrote: ...
Or you can just keep buying chaos everything, and not play them. Just sit alone in your room for years, painting and detailing, and detailing some more. Then keep doing that for years until you own upwards of 10000 points of chaos. Keep shining their swords and sharpening their knives. Then some day, some wonderful day, when a new book comes out that will realize your armies' potential, come out from hiding. Everyone will have thought you had left warhammer 40k for good, but no, you had been training, preparing, and brooding for this moment. Return with such vengeance and hatred that you will not hold back, and you will destroy everything in your path. Like a true chaos crusade, wait for the right moment, then burst forth from the Eye of Terror and unleash your pain on the whole universe. And when they cry and complain that you are OP and that it's not fair. Reassure them that it's true. It isn't fair, but it's what they DESERVE. All of them, each and every one of them deserve to be obliterated into oblivion. And if they ask you to play with a fluffy army, tell them you will do so. But on game day bring the meanest nastiest, ugliest army you can. Give them no opportunity for victory, give them no opportunity for enjoyment. Your only goal is to inflict as much pain and suffering as possible. And when they cry, and they will cry, laugh at them, drink their salty tears, and bath in their sweet, sweet blood.
2015/02/03 00:59:35
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
RaptorHunter wrote: My best friend plays necrons and after reading the new Codex I absolutely have no idea how to beat him. We just started playing a few months ago and I got used to the "focus one unit" approach to necrons, but now I have no idea what to do. His basic troops have a weapon that can wound anything with a 4+ .
Well, that's wrong. Nothing in the book allows him to do that, unless he's fielding purely deathmarks.
Also, you do realize that Instant Death gives a -1 penalty to RP, right? That 4+ from the cryptek or Decurion becomes a 5+
Sorry, typed in haste! I meant they can wound anything on a 6 with a 4+ armour save and 4+ FNP. However, I had no idea that ID gave a -1 penalty to RP. That makes things a lot more manageable. Is that new in this codex or have we simply missed that rule this entire time?
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"While a single mass reactive bolter shell from a Space Marine can stop a single foe in their tracks, the hail of a million lasguns can halt the advance of an entire army"
2015/02/03 01:11:08
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
RaptorHunter wrote: My best friend plays necrons and after reading the new Codex I absolutely have no idea how to beat him. We just started playing a few months ago and I got used to the "focus one unit" approach to necrons, but now I have no idea what to do. His basic troops have a weapon that can wound anything with a 4+ .
Well, that's wrong. Nothing in the book allows him to do that, unless he's fielding purely deathmarks.
Also, you do realize that Instant Death gives a -1 penalty to RP, right? That 4+ from the cryptek or Decurion becomes a 5+
Sorry, typed in haste! I meant they can wound anything on a 6 with a 4+ armour save and 4+ FNP. However, I had no idea that ID gave a -1 penalty to RP. That makes things a lot more manageable. Is that new in this codex or have we simply missed that rule this entire time?
It's a change from the old RP which worked differently. Think of it as FnP with a modifier for ID instead of being negated by it.
Also remember that outside of formations it's a 5+ unless you have something to give it a bonus.
2015/02/03 01:11:58
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
RaptorHunter wrote: My best friend plays necrons and after reading the new Codex I absolutely have no idea how to beat him. We just started playing a few months ago and I got used to the "focus one unit" approach to necrons, but now I have no idea what to do. His basic troops have a weapon that can wound anything with a 4+ .
Well, that's wrong. Nothing in the book allows him to do that, unless he's fielding purely deathmarks.
Also, you do realize that Instant Death gives a -1 penalty to RP, right? That 4+ from the cryptek or Decurion becomes a 5+
Sorry, typed in haste! I meant they can wound anything on a 6 with a 4+ armour save and 4+ FNP. However, I had no idea that ID gave a -1 penalty to RP. That makes things a lot more manageable. Is that new in this codex or have we simply missed that rule this entire time?
It's new in 7e.
Also the wound anything on a 6 only really matters against T8+. If you're not playing with Gargantuan Creatures I think that affects a whole of 2-3 units in the game.
My win rate while having my arms and legs tied behind by back while blindfolded and stuffed in a safe that is submerged underwater:
100%
2015/02/03 10:22:04
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
RaptorHunter wrote: My best friend plays necrons and after reading the new Codex I absolutely have no idea how to beat him. We just started playing a few months ago and I got used to the "focus one unit" approach to necrons, but now I have no idea what to do. His basic troops have a weapon that can wound anything with a 4+ .
Well, that's wrong. Nothing in the book allows him to do that, unless he's fielding purely deathmarks.
Also, you do realize that Instant Death gives a -1 penalty to RP, right? That 4+ from the cryptek or Decurion becomes a 5+
Sorry, typed in haste! I meant they can wound anything on a 6 with a 4+ armour save and 4+ FNP. However, I had no idea that ID gave a -1 penalty to RP. That makes things a lot more manageable. Is that new in this codex or have we simply missed that rule this entire time?
It's a new addition.
The wound everything on a six isn't that special, unless you are using exclusively Wraithlords.
Keep in mind that bolters can also wound most things on a 6, up to T7.
What I have
~4100
~1660
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2015/02/03 11:42:30
Subject: Re:Am I the Only One Not Happy With New Crons?
19th Krieg Siege Army 7500pts.
40k/HH Night Lords 5000pts.
Orks Waaaghmacht Spearhead 2500pts.
~1.5k
~1660
