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Oberron wrote:
The stalker and two preatoriens formation bonus is if the stalker is alive pick a target in LOS of it re-roll all misses and all failed to wounds to that target (or something to that effect) I noticed it didn't have a limit to that formation only. So with that Welcome to die? The ride never ends.

Yeah, I'm thinking the Judicator Battalion and the Canoptek Harvest are some of the most competeitve choices.


Right now, I'm trying to figure out how to pick everything I wan in the Decurion.

looking at the Reclamation legion with The Judicator Battalion, Obelisk, and Canoptek Harvest. It's a very sizable Army, with a really muddled Target Priority for the Enemies.

Are you guys talking about wraiths with RP? 'cos I'm prettyy sure wraiths don't have it. Didn't have it before and it's not not the leaked pages either.

wighti wrote:
Are you guys talking about wraiths with RP? 'cos I'm prettyy sure wraiths don't have it. Didn't have it before and it's not not the leaked pages either.

If you take the Canoptek Harvest on the Decurion, if they are within 12' of the Spyder, they can pick one of 3 special rules. One of them being RP.


Might just want to do your research man, this is pretty old news at this point.

Fair enough.

The spyder is a bit slow to effectively give them the buff reliably is it not? All the time that is

wighti wrote:
Fair enough.

The spyder is a bit slow to effectively give them the buff reliably is it not? All the time that is

If you Run the spyder, it's really not that had to keep one model within 12' of it for the first few turns.

 Sasori wrote:

wighti wrote:
Fair enough.

The spyder is a bit slow to effectively give them the buff reliably is it not? All the time that is

If you Run the spyder, it's really not that had to keep one model within 12' of it for the first few turns.

This. Also, you can always daisy chain them a bit to keep one Wraith far enough back, at least until you hit CC. Once your in CC, that's generally mission accomplished.

 Sasori wrote:
If you Run the spyder, it's really not that had to keep one model within 12' of it for the first few turns.

On average you will fall 2.5" behind per Turn, which means you have 4 turns before you get out of range if you don't make a line with them.

About the Tactics:
This is a tactic thread, not a "please link me scans of the Codex"-thread.

I think Wraiths in their Formation are strong, but I don't think the best thing is to spam those.
That's because everything we have is so good I would feel bad for skipping on those.
Even the Scarabs seem to have a place now.

The Obelisk is really good too.
It can push out so many S7-attacks, and it is quite cheap compared to AB's.

Kangodo wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
If you Run the spyder, it's really not that had to keep one model within 12' of it for the first few turns.

On average you will fall 2.5" behind per Turn, which means you have 4 turns before you get out of range if you don't make a line with them.

About the Tactics:
This is a tactic thread, not a "please link me scans of the Codex"-thread.

I think Wraiths in their Formation are strong, but I don't think the best thing is to spam those.
That's because everything we have is so good I would feel bad for skipping on those.
Even the Scarabs seem to have a place now.

The Obelisk is really good too.
It can push out so many S7-attacks, and it is quite cheap compared to AB's.

Agreed. Personally, I think only one Canoptek Harvest is needed. There are plenty of other things I'd like to fit in, like the Judicator Battalion and The Obelisk.

The Obelisk in my opinion, is probably the best single unit we have available at this point. It can fire each of it's spheres at a different unit, and if you face it correctly, can fire 3 Spheres at a single unit. There are very very few things in the game that can survive a 15 Tesla Volley.

In addition, it's insanely durable and has it's Anti-Skimmer/Jetbike/Flyer/FMC Pulse. You can not beat this thing for the value it brings in so many areas.

Judicator is nice, but I really dislike the 2 Praetorian-units you need.
I would prefer to take Destroyers with it, but they need a D-Lord which I do not need.

I think that is the downside to the Decurion.
You are limited in your options unless you take an entire Formation.

Kangodo wrote:
Judicator is nice, but I really dislike the 2 Praetorian-units you need.
I would prefer to take Destroyers with it, but they need a D-Lord which I do not need.

I think that is the downside to the Decurion.
You are limited in your options unless you take an entire Formation.

I don't see why you wouldn't want to take Praetorians now. They are great. They got buffed, and a massive price decrease. In addition, they have the 4+ RP. They are a beyond solid assault unit, and they are cheap.

Because that are 280 points I need to take when I actually only want the Stalker.

It's truly weird that so many things give +1 to RP when it has a limit of 4+.
It basically makes the Relic useless and Crypteks overpriced because you are paying for nothing.

What upsets me most is my favourite Damnos-Apoc-Formation.
The entire point of that Formation is that he gains a RP2+, so I will probably have to beg my friends if I want to field that in Apocalypse.

Kangodo wrote:
Because that are 280 points I need to take when I actually only want the Stalker.

It's truly weird that so many things give +1 to RP when it has a limit of 4+.
It basically makes the Relic useless and Crypteks overpriced because you are paying for nothing.

What upsets me most is my favourite Damnos-Apoc-Formation.
The entire point of that Formation is that he gains a RP2+, so I will probably have to beg my friends if I want to field that in Apocalypse.

That's fair enough, you are forced to take them to get the Stalker benefit. Honestly, I look at this as a positive though, since I feel that the Praetorians are really good, and the new stalker is good. To me, it's just an all around good Formation!

It basically makes the Relic useless and Crypteks overpriced because you are paying for nothing.

Well, 2 things. One, even in the Decurion, the Cryptek will at least cover against ID (so you still get a 4+ against it). More importantly, though, is it allows you access to the 4+ without having to take Decurion. If you want 4+ Ob Sec Warriors, for instance, Crypteks and a traditional CAD will be the way to go. (Also, the Cryptek Edition Codex should have some curve balls for that).

Actually make that three things. Chronomotrons are pretty frikken awesome.


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That's fair enough, you are forced to take them to get the Stalker benefit. Honestly, I look at this as a positive though, since I feel that the Praetorians are really good, and the new stalker is good. To me, it's just an all around good Formation!

Indeed.

I'm musing around with a way to pair it with a strong HD build. Something like a normal CAD, with 3x1 HDs from FA and 3x3 HDs from HS. Is the Obelisk big enough to reliably hide HDs behind?

Personally I think the Destroyer cult in the Decurion is a stronger build than the Canpotek harvest. I can see myself getting allot more use out of the required unit's than the scarabs and the Spyder (and I think the Spyder is too easy to kill when your opponent realises what it does).

1 x Decurion with the minimum reclamation legion tax and the destroyer cult (and maybe the living tomb for the Obelisk) and a second CAD (detachment? whatever it's called these days) so I can get a couple of unit's of wraiths.

Oh man, was reviewing the BRB Warlord table with Zandy in mind, think of combining this:

Target Priority Units within 12" bubble of Warlord re-roll 1s to hit during shooting

With a Stalker or two. You could seriously melt some face for a turn. (Obvious Destroyer do this naturally, but you could turn basic Warriors into a formidable shooting force for a turn with that combo).

ShadarLogoth wrote:
Oh man, was reviewing the BRB Warlord table with Zandy in mind, think of combining this:

Target Priority Units within 12" bubble of Warlord re-roll 1s to hit during shooting

With a Stalker or two. You could seriously melt some face for a turn. (Obvious Destroyer do this naturally, but you could turn basic Warriors into a formidable shooting force for a turn with that combo).

I haven't decided if I'm going to take Z as my Decurion Warlord or not yet. He is so flexiable, I would find it hard not to take him, but I haven't decided if I want a more Offensive Overlord or not.

Why wouldn't I take an obelisk? Just because GW desperately wants me to take superheavy apocalypse units into our meta doesn't mean our group will.

No obelisk here. The codex is good enough not to need it. Even then I would not.

I still don't get this 3 spyders plus wraiths, I am sure it is only 1 spyder in the formation.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
Why wouldn't I take an obelisk? Just because GW desperately wants me to take superheavy apocalypse units into our meta doesn't mean our group will.

No obelisk here. The codex is good enough not to need it. Even then I would not.

I still don't get this 3 spyders plus wraiths, I am sure it is only 1 spyder in the formation.

Ok, well this is a Tactics thread. If you want to not take a unit on principal, that's fine, but we don't really need to hear about it.

So let's try to keep this thread relevant by omitting posts like that in future, as it adds absolutely nothing to a tactical discussion.

How can the obelisk fire three at a unit when at best the two tesla spheres on opposite ends fire at a 90 degree angle? or do you mean on very large ork groups standing shoulder to shoulder?

If you point 1 corner and thus 1 tesla sphere directly at the unit you want to shoot then the two adjacent spheres will most likely be able to target it.

No they won't, unless the enemy unit is real close and made of tall models/on top of terrain.

The spheres are Hull Mounted so they can only turn 22.5 degrees in any direction, that combined with how high they are (plus the obelisk itself being mounted on a flying stand) effectively gives them a decently large minimum range.

I'd like to give Lychguard a try, but I don't own any Nightscythes.

Do you think they could work on foot, or with the new Veil of Darkness?

 vipoid wrote:
I'd like to give Lychguard a try, but I don't own any Nightscythes.

Do you think they could work on foot, or with the new Veil of Darkness?

Not sure about on foot, but I think they are worth a go with the Veil.

I'm really interested in seeing them paired up with Orikan, probably Sword and Board style. Would be resilient as nails.

ShadarLogoth wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
I'd like to give Lychguard a try, but I don't own any Nightscythes.

Do you think they could work on foot, or with the new Veil of Darkness?

Not sure about on foot, but I think they are worth a go with the Veil.

I'm really interested in seeing them paired up with Orikan, probably Sword and Board style. Would be resilient as nails.

Does he still have his teleporty thingy?

Orikan is the Cryptek that turns into a 'MC'-wannabe.
I will probably play him with the Shielded Lychguard and perhaps a Lord or something to teleport them.

Sigh, don't forget that with a Decurion you need at least 2 Overlords if you want to unlock Orikan.
That is ridiculous.

Kangodo wrote:
Orikan is the Cryptek that turns into a 'MC'-wannabe.

Ah, so he is.

Kangodo wrote:

Sigh, don't forget that with a Decurion you need at least 2 Overlords if you want to unlock Orikan.
That is ridiculous.

Ugh, that's a pain.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No they won't, unless the enemy unit is real close and made of tall models/on top of terrain.

The spheres are Hull Mounted so they can only turn 22.5 degrees in any direction, that combined with how high they are (plus the obelisk itself being mounted on a flying stand) effectively gives them a decently large minimum range.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Necron-Obelisk

I dunno, that looks to me like they can easily face the same target. Mine is currently built as a Vault, so I'm going to have to buy a new one, but the angle of that photo and the 360 looks to me like you can easily point 3 at the same target.

Question, if you take decurion, you can still take conclave of the burning one as a allied formation?

Yes and no
Yes, you can take the Formation!

But I would refrain from using the word 'allied' since that is about Allied Detachments.
They are just an additional force to your army.

Combined arms Detachment:

1 Cryptek with veil of Darkness.

5 Shield Lychguard,

10 Scythe Lychguard.

Royal Court Formation:

Zandrekh,

Obyron,

Cryptek with Solar pulse.


Tactic:


Place Zandrekh and the Veil Cryptek in the shield Lychguard.

Place Obyron and the Solar Pulse in the Scythe Lychguard.

Turn one teleport Zandrekh's unit over to an open space it's safe to land 7 models in.

Then teleport Obyron's larger unit more precisely within 12 inches of there.

Fire off Solar Pulse to survive incoming fire long enough to turn 2 charge.