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Well there aren't other weapon options. It is to switch between Night Scythe and what you faced.

I'm sure that's it... he'd want to run his flyers as either type, and he's not the sort to model for advantage.

Another question... with the temporary AV13 thing that Necrons have, should we roll penetration dice one shot at a time to know exactly when it goes down, or does a pen during one shooting attack drop it for all following attacks? We played it as the latter... e.g. I roll 2 glances and a pen with a single unit, and the penetrating hit drops the AV13 only after the glances have been shrugged off. If I had rolled them one at a time, I might have gotten some glances on the lower AV with the same shooting attack that gave me the pen. How do you all handle this?

Thanks again for helping us sort out the newest army in our club! Sorry if these are better posts for the YMDC forum, but I figured this is where the experienced Necron players would see them.

Mac

Technically I think you're supposed to roll the pens one at a time. Though I've never thought to do so. Typically my tanks die to melta or grav. In the case of melta, you roll the 2d6 armor pen one at a time anyway. In the case of grav, AV doesn't matter.

don't quote me because I am not 100% sure (no rulebook next to me) I believe shots are placed into pools, so if you have 4 lascannon shots on your ghost ark, 2 glance 1 pen, you take them all at once. you can roll the pen individually but they happen all at the same time. I don't believe you get to pick and choose "oh hey, I rolled 2 glances and a pen, the pen goes through first, now my two glances are now 2 pens cuz quantum shielding is down"

as soon as that volley of shots goes through, another lascannon will be able to glance it on a 3+

Yep, that's how we played it. The proper increment seems to be the unit rather than the weapon, although I could see an argument for either. I haven't played against Necrons much and wasn't much help in figuring how this player's newish army worked, but now that I've encountered Quantum Shielding (thanks for the name), I know to spread the melta around at the top of the shooting phase and save missiles and heavy bolters for later.

/Edited.. Read some thing wrong and got excited about the upcoming flier expansion

 Valkenheim wrote:
/Edited.. Read some thing wrong and got excited about the upcoming flier expansion

Supposedly we'll be getting some nice stuff in there. I saw a post where supposedly there's a formation that allows 3 Night Scythes to teleport a vehicle. Could be some nice tactics with that.

Not to mention the Attack Patterns that give bonuses for flyers in specific positions, some of which are supposedly pretty solid for us (like the ability to get Ignores Cover if you have three in a row, could be huge for Doom Scythes).

I'm just excited that more people might get suckered into using fliers so that I can ignore even more of my opponents' army and kill/capture everything else.

It's to early to say how cool or not the necron flyers will be in the new book, but as it stands 5 days before the release, night scythes are arguably worth the points, and doom scythes never are. Night scythes allow us to deploy lych stars in places we couldn't reach otherwise, due to scatter danger, or special rules against deep striking. It's the fastest transport in the game, able to deploy after moving up to 36 inches, so no objective is safe. Put Praetorian in it and drop them off after 23", and you have a no scatter deep striking gun line that is a serious threat to just about anyone.

The doom scythe on the other hand will almost never make it's points. It is completely dependent for functionality on the death ray, which is disabled on a jink (can't snap fire template weapons), and is a solution looking for a problem. It's literally the best weapon in the game that's not str D at penetrating high armor values, in a meta without high armor values. In 2/3 of cases (100% against super heavy vehicles) it will require more than 1 shot to kill a vehicle, something that is not going to happen on a hull mounted forward facing 24" range weapon mounted on a flyer that has to move at least 18". It's possible to ID infantry with it, but it has no way around an invl save, and it can't be fired at Invisible units. In 5th it would have been a cool weapon, but in 7th it would be overcost at half the price.

If the rumors about transporting vehicles are true, it could make judicator battalions a common site, a perfect deep strike on a stalker can make for a terrific alpha strike, but only if doom scythes suck less than they currently do. At a complete guess, I think they didn't make any changes to the death ray, which I'm guessing will discourage necrons from actually using the formation. Then again these are the same people that made the current tau and eldar codex's, so it's possible they made the deathray str D large blast templates for giggles.

 Grimgold wrote:
Put Praetorian in it and drop them off after 23", and you have a no scatter deep striking gun line that is a serious threat to just about anyone.

Assuming your local meta allows you to put Jump Infantry inside a transport. I really wish GW would get some real rules writers and testers.

The prateorians have it as a dedicated transport option, so it would amount to sophistry to argue that the codex says they can take it, but they can't actually get into their dedicated transport. They are bulky so you can only fit 7 of them in there, but 7 str 5 ap 2 shots can do a lot of work against say a riptide.

 Grimgold wrote:
The prateorians have it as a dedicated transport option, so it would amount to sophistry to argue that the codex says they can take it, but they can't actually get into their dedicated transport. They are bulky so you can only fit 7 of them in there, but 7 str 5 ap 2 shots can do a lot of work against say a riptide.

7 Rod shots against a Riptide does 1 wound, less if they have Ruin cover and/or FNP.

They're good at clearing out MSU but that's about it, the guns are good but not really super powerful enough to be a "gunline". I guess unless you use the Formation, where they get better but that formation is like super expensive.

Requizen wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:
The prateorians have it as a dedicated transport option, so it would amount to sophistry to argue that the codex says they can take it, but they can't actually get into their dedicated transport. They are bulky so you can only fit 7 of them in there, but 7 str 5 ap 2 shots can do a lot of work against say a riptide.

7 Rod shots against a Riptide does 1 wound, less if they have Ruin cover and/or FNP.

They're good at clearing out MSU but that's about it, the guns are good but not really super powerful enough to be a "gunline". I guess unless you use the Formation, where they get better but that formation is like super expensive.

Well you only ever take them in that one formation, so is that including the potential rerolls?

The formation is actually really dangerous, and is competitively priced with a D-Cult. With formation they are BS 5, rerolling 1s so their chances to hit are (5/6 + (1/6 * 5/6)) = 35/36 shots land, they wound on a 5+ re-rolling failures so the chances for a wound are (1/3 + (2/3 * 1/3)) 5/9 of each hit. Quick back of the napkin says a little better than half the shots will be wounds (54%). If he is using his nova reactor for shields, he'll take one wound but he is already giving up quite a bit of fire power and mobility, other wise he is half dead in one volley.

If you can Invasion beam in the stalker via the new rules, and the prats can get close, you can end a riptide with him being able to do nothing about it. Though until next week we will have no idea if the pricing is right to pull this trick off. If death rays still blow, no amount of clever use will make this worthwhile.

They're only BS5 if they stay near the stalker, which they won't be if you're taking advantage of their mobility and speed (hint: you should be because they're pretty expensive), so it's slightly less than that. And it ends when the Stalker dies, which it often does.

The leaked ability to beam in the Stalker would require 3 Night Scythes in a formation, which is prohibitively expensive if you're already bringing the Judicator Battalion.

2 doom scythes and 1 night scythe, per this anyway https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Oppressor-Flight . Still yes, expensive as all get out. If the book made the Death ray a str D weapon, I might reconsider my position on it's uselessness, but that would be something the spoilers would shout about.

 Grimgold wrote:
The prateorians have it as a dedicated transport option, so it would amount to sophistry to argue that the codex says they can take it, but they can't actually get into their dedicated transport. They are bulky so you can only fit 7 of them in there, but 7 str 5 ap 2 shots can do a lot of work against say a riptide.

The sophistry would be claiming that they could embark because it's their dedicated transport. There are several units in the game that can purchase a dedicated transport that they potentially can't embark on due to the unit exceeding the transport capacity. Can I embark a full ten man Tactical Squad in a Razorback just because I can take it as a dedicated transport for the squad?

Anyway, this is off topic for this thread. Its been asked for the 40K FAQ and hopefully will be cleared up soon.

They could still embark at it at some point, can't they?
Or are Tactical squads 10 models minimum now?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
They could still embark at it at some point, can't they?
Or are Tactical squads 10 models minimum now?

The point is that they never lose the option to purchase the transport even if the squad size is too large for the transport. It disproves the statement that if a unit purchase a transport then they must be able to start the game in the transport.

 Ghaz wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
They could still embark at it at some point, can't they?
Or are Tactical squads 10 models minimum now?

The point is that they never lose the option to purchase the transport even if the squad size is too large for the transport. It disproves the statement that if a unit purchase a transport then they must be able to start the game in the transport.

Not really since the thing that is stopping them from starting the game in the transport are two different things, type and size limit, AFAIK size limit has never been superseded by a rule while type has with permission.. But as you said this is off topic and hopefully will be cleared up soon.



Speaking of which have they said WHEN the FAQs will be coming out?

Things that may effect Necrons, from the FAQ first draft-

WEAPONS
Q: Can you clarify the use of a weapon as both a ranged and a melee weapon in the same turn?
A: A weapon that can be used as a ranged and a melee weapon can be used as both in the same turn unless specifically noted otherwise.

YES.
Praetorians, to the fore!

Q: Can a Jet Pack unit that has joined a different unit (e.g. a Necron Destroyer Lord joining Canoptek Wraiths) still use its jet pack move in the Assault phase?
A: Yes, but the model cannot leave its unit and must stay in unit coherency.

And make some room for the Destroyer Lord to get in there, too!

Q: The coverage range of the Void Shield Generators’ void shields is 12". If a unit is not entirely within the 12" range, does it still benefit from the Projected Void Shield special rule?
A: No.

No more conga-lined Scarabs getting invuln saves.

Q: When listing Formations, sometimes it states ‘1 model’ (like 1 Tomb Spyder), while other times it lists ‘1 Unit of models’ (like 1 unit of Tomb Blades). Are these interchangeable?
A: No. The former means a single model of the type listed, while the later means a single unit of the type listed.

And no multi-Spyder Harvests, while you're at it (not like anyone was playing them that way anyway, though).

Q: How many Relics/Artefacts can a single model be equipped with?
A: A model can only be given a single Relic/Artefact of any kind unless specifically noted otherwise.

No more "one relic from the codex, one relic from the other book" Crypteks for the Conclave Of The Burning One?

Also, Lance weapons cancel out QS. So that means a Lance weapon will shoot against AV 11.

Ugh, this hurts the Conclave. God Shackle is a must, so only Solar or Veil, and I don't like losing either of those.

Also, though: no toe in cover GCs. Nice! Drop Pods can't be used by battle brothers, so drop Skitarii and War Convos (which actually suck for Necrons) are no more! And Gauss hits Void Shields for officially now!

Requizen wrote:
Ugh, this hurts the Conclave. God Shackle is a must, so only Solar or Veil, and I don't like losing either of those.

Also, though: no toe in cover GCs. Nice! Drop Pods can't be used by battle brothers, so drop Skitarii and War Convos (which actually suck for Necrons) are no more! And Gauss hits Void Shields for officially now!

You can still put the god shackle on a cryptek outside of the conclave, in a CAD or something.

harkequin wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Ugh, this hurts the Conclave. God Shackle is a must, so only Solar or Veil, and I don't like losing either of those.

Also, though: no toe in cover GCs. Nice! Drop Pods can't be used by battle brothers, so drop Skitarii and War Convos (which actually suck for Necrons) are no more! And Gauss hits Void Shields for officially now!

You can still put the god shackle on a cryptek outside of the conclave, in a CAD or something.

True. Though that's a very specific list, I kind of miss having the option of a "plug and play" mini-deathstar formation.

Definitely looking forward to the actual Necron FAQ as it comes out, though. I didn't keep up with the AoS stuff, did they do this same thing where they did main rules first and then army stuff? How long should we expect to wait?

Well the FAQ fixed up Praetorians. Now I just need the firing arc for the Tesla Spheres and I'm set for the most part.

For the record, the hit to grenades means Stalkers don't die in combat. Ever.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Well the FAQ fixed up Praetorians. Now I just need the firing arc for the Tesla Spheres and I'm set for the most part.

For the record, the hit to grenades means Stalkers don't die in combat. Ever.

Except, you know, to Powerfists. Or Wraithknights. Or Thunderhammers. Or Warscythes. Or Powerklaws. Or a meltabomb that Explodes. Or Monstrous Creatures.

You know what I bloody meant!

Does anyone want to talk about the elephant in the room that is Ghost Arks carting around warriors getting boned?

Debilitate wrote:
Does anyone want to talk about the elephant in the room that is Ghost Arks carting around warriors getting boned?

Say whaaaaaa?


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Well the FAQ fixed up Praetorians. Now I just need the firing arc for the Tesla Spheres and I'm set for the most part.

For the record, the hit to grenades means Stalkers don't die in combat. Ever.

Also, what does this means?