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Soooo bring your own Renegade Knight? Knights for all I guess is the new 40k. It would not take much to make that model more necron-ish kitbash.

I converted mine up all Necron-y. It's a very solid addition to any army that can take it, though I do personally hate the SHV/GC direction that the game is taking.

Requizen wrote:
I converted mine up all Necron-y. It's a very solid addition to any army that can take it, though I do personally hate the SHV/GC direction that the game is taking.

I agree. I've thought of kitbashing an Imperial Knight for my Crons as well, but I can't stand the idea of actually going through with it, since I despise most SHV/GCs.

 krodarklorr wrote:

Requizen wrote:
I converted mine up all Necron-y. It's a very solid addition to any army that can take it, though I do personally hate the SHV/GC direction that the game is taking.

I agree. I've thought of kitbashing an Imperial Knight for my Crons as well, but I can't stand the idea of actually going through with it, since I despise morst SHV/GCs.

Most? The only real competitive super heavy outside the Ravenant is the Imperial Knight...

I had the idea of allying chaos space marines as a fluffy way to shore up some holes. I don't mean the new traitor's hate stuff (although that could be useful) What does everyone think about running a CAD, with Be'lakor as am HQ, two squads of cultists as troops, and a greater brass scorpion of Khorne in the superheavy spot. The idea would be to proxy another model as Be'lakor and run him as the Void Dragon, and properly convert the brass scorpion to make it like a giant canoptek construct. This would probably have to be in larger points games (2000+) to make it a proper part of the force rather than having it be most of the points. How would you all support this in a list?

Requizen wrote:
Though, to be fair, the Knight Meta counters the Warp Spider meta Bring a Knight, they can only glance the rear on 6s, and you can Avenger the things to death or Stomp them out.

they can glance any facing because they have rending

If you really want CSM, either bring the formation with Heldrakes or pay the Warpsmith tax for 5 Maulerfiends to create some serious threat saturation.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
If you really want CSM, either bring the formation with Heldrakes or pay the Warpsmith tax for 5 Maulerfiends to create some serious threat saturation.

At that point, is it really still a Necron list?

The only allies I see working for Necrons are Renegade Knights and maybe a Culexus Assassin. Since we don't really have a good way to transport a Clulexus we'd need to include a bunker and escape hatch. Expensive for what it does (shut down a psychic deathstar for a single turn before he gets greased.)
I see a Renegade Knight a much more of an option. Stomps are enough of a close-combat threat, and its shooting gives us some nice AP 3.

Maybe... MAYBE bring the CSM Cyclopia Cabal... You may have enough dice to block a deathstar's invisibility.

I think a Cabal Houndstar might be a reasonable addition to a Necron army - though at that point, it's more CSM/Necron, but that's fine too I suppose. Necrons would love the inclusion of both a speedy deathstar and powerful psychics.

But I have to contest calling adding CSM "fluffy". There is more written records of Imperials working alongside Necrons than there are CSM or even Renegades.

So, I don't know if I missed the discussion, post Alex Fennel's Nova showing, but what are people's thoughts on the Pylons w/Death Ray? Right now they strike me as answering soooo many different parts of the competitive meta.

Does anyone here have my personal experience with them before I run out and order some?

I'm an old Dwarf player from Fantasy/Sigmar, so I do love my artillery backfield, and wonder how that translates here.

What other lists showed up at Nova?

 CrownAxe wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Though, to be fair, the Knight Meta counters the Warp Spider meta Bring a Knight, they can only glance the rear on 6s, and you can Avenger the things to death or Stomp them out.

they can glance any facing because they have rending

Um, Eldar don't have Rending weapons (maybe 1 relic). Spiders have Monofilament and Shuriken weapons have Bladestorm. Neither of those rules provide any bonus against AV, as both of them affect the "to wound" roll of '6'.
Bringing a Knight is a decent tactic to counter Spider Spam. Sadly, however, a Knight is the preferred target for WKs and WG.

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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So, I don't know if I missed the discussion, post Alex Fennel's Nova showing, but what are people's thoughts on the Pylons w/Death Ray? Right now they strike me as answering soooo many different parts of the competitive meta.

Does anyone here have my personal experience with them before I run out and order some?

I'm an old Dwarf player from Fantasy/Sigmar, so I do love my artillery backfield, and wonder how that translates here.

Death Rays are too short ranged to be considered typical "artillery", you can't plop them in a corner and fire like you can with, say, a TFC. They have a decent max range but their effective range is somewhere around 35", and you want to be much closer to get the full effect out of them. They pair well with the Void Shield - deploy them both centrally and a bit forward and anything that gets close to entering the shield gets lasered.

They're interesting units. I've used them a couple times to varying success. Extremely strong - 2 S10 AP1 auto hits per ray is amazing, and you can draw them over Invisible units. They can't move and fire unless you give them Relentless or Slow and Purposeful however, which you can with Zahndrekh picking that Trait (or Anrakyr, but then you have to take Anrakyr, gross), so you can do a deathstar with him letting them move and shoot. Slap on a DLord to reroll 1s. I think that's what his list was like, just some sort of Star with them. I personally find Deathstars to be a bit of a pain to play correctly (and ours aren't nearly as hardy as some of the Imperial ones), so play at your own desire.

If you want just plain old artillery, they're an alright choice. You could also go for the Heat Ray version, which is a 2 shot S10 AP1 Small Blast with Melta, so slightly less reliable, but also at 36", so easier to sit back and fire with.

Did anyone get a copy of AF's list (or know what was in it)? I tried hunting him down on Sunday at Nova but he wasn't playing as far as I could tell...

Alex didn't play in Nova. 3rd/4th place was a Necron player named Tyler Devries and he played the following:

Tyler Devries
Necron CAD
-Destroyer Lord, Nightmare shroud, phase shifter, warscythe, res orb
-5 Immortals
-5 Immortals
-3 Sentry Pylons, Death Rays

Royal Court:
-Anrakyr
-Obyron
-Orikan
-Lord, Solar Staff

Retaliation Legion
-Overlord, Veil of Darkness
-10 Warriors
-Triarch Stalker
-8 Scarabs

I kinda hate this list. If your scatter goes poorly, you can lose the game immediately. It's like Centstar but without all the psychic power bullcrap that made it a top list for a long time. But, if you like shooty deathstars, this is probably the only one that works for Crons.

I wonder how well the Retaliation went.

Probably depends on whether or not they were using the GW FAQ. If the Scarabs can charge when they come back, it's amazing. Otherwise it's still pretty good but not fantastic.

So basically, all the ICs attached to the Pylons and then teleported to the center of the table/away whenever was necessary?
...
What the hell did the rest of the list even do?

 skoffs wrote:
So basically, all the ICs attached to the Pylons and then teleported to the center of the table/away whenever was necessary?
...
What the hell did the rest of the list even do?

Sit on objectives, try to not die. That's what Deathstar lists are like.

I mean... how do those Pylons even work in certain regards? For example, if I drew a line carefully over a combat, since i'm not "shooting into" said combat, can I do that?

Pylons + Harvest Wraiths sound like a good opportunity to tie things up, and "shoot" them off the table. Likewise it seems like it would bypass Invis, etc.

Has there ever been errata for those Pylons? Just curious before I go in for... yikes... almost $250 for three of 'em. Do all three in a unit draw LOS from the same "point" you targetted? Do I even need to see where the line ends (rules as written suggest no).??

Requizen wrote:
Alex didn't play in Nova. 3rd/4th place was a Necron player named Tyler Devries and he played the following:

Tyler Devries
Necron CAD
-Destroyer Lord, Nightmare shroud, phase shifter, warscythe, res orb
-5 Immortals
-5 Immortals
-3 Sentry Pylons, Death Rays

Royal Court:
-Anrakyr
-Obyron
-Orikan
-Lord, Solar Staff

Retaliation Legion
-Overlord, Veil of Darkness
-10 Warriors
-Triarch Stalker
-8 Scarabs

I kinda hate this list. If your scatter goes poorly, you can lose the game immediately. It's like Centstar but without all the psychic power bullcrap that made it a top list for a long time. But, if you like shooty deathstars, this is probably the only one that works for Crons.

According to Torrent of Fire AF came in 12th...

 necron99 wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Alex didn't play in Nova. 3rd/4th place was a Necron player named Tyler Devries and he played the following:

Tyler Devries
Necron CAD
-Destroyer Lord, Nightmare shroud, phase shifter, warscythe, res orb
-5 Immortals
-5 Immortals
-3 Sentry Pylons, Death Rays

Royal Court:
-Anrakyr
-Obyron
-Orikan
-Lord, Solar Staff

Retaliation Legion
-Overlord, Veil of Darkness
-10 Warriors
-Triarch Stalker
-8 Scarabs

I kinda hate this list. If your scatter goes poorly, you can lose the game immediately. It's like Centstar but without all the psychic power bullcrap that made it a top list for a long time. But, if you like shooty deathstars, this is probably the only one that works for Crons.

According to Torrent of Fire AF came in 12th...

Dunno, here are the NOVA brackets:

http://challonge.com/NOVAinvite2016

I thought the Invite was the main event but maybe there was another.

Ah, my fault - I was referring to the GT.

Also what's a Retaliation Legion? I don't have the 'dex with me but I don't remember that one...

 necron99 wrote:
Ah, my fault - I was referring to the GT.

Also what's a Retaliation Legion? I don't have the 'dex with me but I don't remember that one...

Retaliation Legion is the Start Collecting! formation. The Warriors and Scarabs can respawn if the Overlord is still alive. It was FAQd in the GW Drafts but still is good.

*Retribution

Again, please forgive me guys, but I want to make sure I understand this before dropping my entire Fall hobby budget on a unit of these Pylons. The internet/Google-fu has been surprisingly useless outside of the NOVA Faq, which makes them sound even stronger than the actual IA entry does (you just "pick" a spot in their range, as per their entry and the entire unit fires at that point... drawing their line).

So... they're artillery, sans relentless, meaning they would normally snap-shoot the Death-Ray... right? But since you aren't rolling any to-hit... that seems to be moot?

As such... why aren't we seeing more Deepstrike Suicide Pylons, in units of one?

Yes, they're 185pts a pop with Deepstrike, but I cannot imagine a world where that insane shooting isn't giving you back at least as many points, and giving you opponent fits of horror.

Edit: And does it bypass as much as it seems to? Like scattered templates it sounds like it bypasses jink, invis, Flickerjump from Warp-Spiders (again, they aren't being targetted with a shooting attack), probably an IK directional shield?

Deep Strike isn't useful. They can't move and shoot, as the BRB specifies that any weapon that doesn't roll to hit can't be Snap Shot. Walking them by themselves or Deep Striking them means they can't shoot for the turn, which makes them useless.

The list above adds a bunch of ICs to the unit. Anrakyr projects a bubble of Relentless, which allows them to move and shoot. Obyron and the Overlord bring teleports, so you jump them around the field. The Lord brings a Solar Staff, so they have pseudo-invis for a turn.

The strategy goes like this: Blob them all together, teleport down field, and then unleash hell. The Lord and Anrakyr can shoot at different unit than the Death Rays because drawing lines is stupid. Pop the Solar Staff so they can't be shot. Three Rays and an Arrow should significantly weaken even a WK, and if it charges you the next turn you have 3 Warscythes in the unit.

If they don't get locked in, you explode out the ICs - some go and slice things to death, others go hide on objectives. Anrakyr hangs out with the Pylons to let them shuffle around.

Taking "foot" or Deep Strike Pylons solo doesn't work. The Deathstar does.

Keep in mind that the Sentry Pylons are really only terrifying in the NOVA format. They are very nerfed in the ITC format.

I actually like the Gauss Exterminator in 6th when Interceptor fixed the problem with Skyfire.