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It seems to me that a defender with PTL could very easily zip around others, using the white K-turn and doing two barrel rolls to get around the place, being durable and deadly as well.

Is that not the experience of others?


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Maybe with an engine upgrade?.?

You can't take the same actions twice in the same turn, so your exact idea is not very feasible. The other problem I've found with my Defender is that it is NOT as maneuverable as I'd like. With the ONLY hard turn NOT red being 3 you have a hard time turning, meaning you're usually just banking around.

I have considered PTL on Brath so he can Focus and Target lock, but he gets very expensive very fast.

The Defender is great with Engine Upgrade, the white K turn then a boost is some great manouvering options.

PtL on the other hand is terrible on a Defender, purely because of the dial. While they would definitely benefit from two actions their only green manuovers are straight, which means shedding stress is a major problem for them. Their strength is moving quickly and turn in behind people. I would suggest something like Predator over PtL - it gives you a good buff to offense and means you are more likely to hold on to your focus for defence (or still do well attacking after a barrel roll).

What about Outmaneuver?

 Spellbound wrote:
What about Outmaneuver?

Not a bad idea if you're good with those K turns, the only problem is that its very predictable, but that's just a problem with the defender full stop

 Spellbound wrote:
What about Outmaneuver?

Predator and Outmaneuver have very similar performance - Outmaneuver is slightly better, but only if you can trigger it (obviously). Realistically I would only expect to be able to trigger Outmaneuver every other turn with a Defender - it can easily get behind people but its not that great at staying on their tail (again because it can't fly slow, so its easy to force it to overshoot). Predator triggers every time you shoot which is why it tends to be a better option. I would take Outmaneuver on stuff like A-Wings, Phantoms or Tie Advanced (it would be good on Interceptors, but PtL is way better and they can't get two EPTs).

Where does it say you can't take the same action twice in one turn? I'm not doubting it, I just thought at first that it was a limitation put on PTL, and I don't see it there.

 Spellbound wrote:
Where does it say you can't take the same action twice in one turn? I'm not doubting it, I just thought at first that it was a limitation put on PTL, and I don't see it there.

Core rules, bottom of page 9 under "other actions".

Ah, so Soontir Fel with PTL can boost and barrel roll but not both. And if it looks like I can't get out of someone's arc by that combo, then focus and evade (and get another focus token for being stressed, right?)

 Spellbound wrote:
Ah, so Soontir Fel with PTL can boost and barrel roll but not both. And if it looks like I can't get out of someone's arc by that combo, then focus and evade (and get another focus token for being stressed, right?)

Yes.

Having a token assigned to you is not the same as performing an action to receive a token.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Spellbound wrote:
Ah, so Soontir Fel with PTL can boost and barrel roll but not both. And if it looks like I can't get out of someone's arc by that combo, then focus and evade (and get another focus token for being stressed, right?)

Yes.

Having a token assigned to you is not the same as performing an action to receive a token.

Just to clarify here, Soontir Fel with PtL can most definitely perform Boost and Barrel Roll actions in the same turn - they aren't the same action. Not sure if this is what you meant, the original phrasing is somewhat confusing.

 Spellbound wrote:
And if it looks like I can't get out of someone's arc by that combo, then focus and evade (and get another focus token for being stressed, right?)

Yep, that's the standard way of doing it. If you can arc dodge with your maneuvering actions you do that. If you can't you turtle up with focus + focus + evade. Other options include using one maneuvering action to clear some arcs and then taking an evade action to stack with the single focus from his ability, or going full offense (usually when you expect to kill a target before it can shoot back) with a targeting computer and a TL as one of your actions.

I tried this tonight, and it worked quite well. Actually one of their ships screwed up and bumped one of theirs, which made my Carnor Jax bump too. Soontir Fel then took a bunch of firepower and took 2 hull but managed to live. After that, it was smooth sailing.