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Bookwrack wrote: Ha, well it's a good lesson that you don't get to complain when you deliberately sabotage yourself by not preparing for a softball Q&A, then double-down that being ask what you read is a gotcha.
In all fairness, being asked what magazines you read is a pretty "gotcha" question that I don't think any politician's ever been asked before, and is clearly gutter journalism by a left-wing hack.
And that whole "how does living near a foreign country make you experienced in foreign affairs?" thing
No, you're confused. 'I can see Russia from my house' was the SNL line. I actually think that one of Couric's other questions was asking her what she meant by Russia's maritime proximity to Alaska being part of her foreign policy experience.
*edit* the actual exchange was-
Katie Couric: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign-policy experience. What did you mean by that?
Sarah Palin: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land boundary that we have with Canada.
Couric: Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials?
Bookwrack wrote: Ha, well it's a good lesson that you don't get to complain when you deliberately sabotage yourself by not preparing for a softball Q&A, then double-down that being ask what you read is a gotcha.
In all fairness, being asked what magazines you read is a pretty "gotcha" question that I don't think any politician's ever been asked before, and is clearly gutter journalism by a left-wing hack.
Biden still got a pass bro...
In fact, the things Biden have said were so fething looney, he makes Palin Cum Laude of the Political Class™.
War on Women™ indeed.
Huh? I have no idea what you're trying to do with that comparison here. Palin's problem is that she always double and tripled down on the stupid when she screwed up. The whole Couric interview would've amounted to nothing if afterwards, instead of trying to invent a reason why it wasn't her fault, she just laughed it off. "I read this, that, and the other thing, but y'know just one of those moments where your brain tries to give you every answer at once and none of them get out."
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Bookwrack wrote: Ha, well it's a good lesson that you don't get to complain when you deliberately sabotage yourself by not preparing for a softball Q&A, then double-down that being ask what you read is a gotcha.
In all fairness, being asked what magazines you read is a pretty "gotcha" question that I don't think any politician's ever been asked before, and is clearly gutter journalism by a left-wing hack.
Biden still got a pass bro...
In fact, the things Biden have said were so fething looney, he makes Palin Cum Laude of the Political Class™.
War on Women™ indeed.
I think the main difference in this case is experience. Biden had a lot of experience and most of his stuff seems to be him not thinking about what he is saying, no him just not knowing. Palin, on the other hand, also did not think about what she was saying, but also didn't know anything about what she was saying most of the time. She is an extremist, and had absolutely no experience. She was unfit to be vice-president, much less president. I'd rather another 4 years of Bush then her (and I despised the Bush administration, although Bush himself seems like a pretty nice guy).
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Bookwrack wrote: Ha, well it's a good lesson that you don't get to complain when you deliberately sabotage yourself by not preparing for a softball Q&A, then double-down that being ask what you read is a gotcha.
In all fairness, being asked what magazines you read is a pretty "gotcha" question that I don't think any politician's ever been asked before, and is clearly gutter journalism by a left-wing hack.
And that whole "how does living near a foreign country make you experienced in foreign affairs?" thing
psst... that's Tina Fey in SNL spoof.
No, it wasn't.
The comment "I can see Russia from my house" is often misattributed to Mrs. Palin, but that's not what Malus referenced. What Malus wrote is pretty much exactly what happened.
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@Co'tor Shas, @Ouze, @Bookwrack: The point wasn't weather Palin was unfit for VP... the point is when one person says something dumb, the media get their pound-o-flesh (Palin), and yet when the current VP says dumb things it's "aw shucks, that's like what my crazy uncle would say *shrugs*", as if it's an endearing quality.
whembly wrote: @Co'tor Shas, @Ouze, @Bookwrack: The point wasn't weather Palin was unfit for VP... the point is when one person says something dumb, the media get their pound-o-flesh (Palin), and yet when the current VP says dumb things it's "aw shucks, that's like what my crazy uncle would say *shrugs*", as if it's an endearing quality.
And someone as experienced as Biden should be held to at least as high a standard. That many flubs chuckled off as 'Well, Joe gonna Joe' just seems silly.
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whembly wrote: @Co'tor Shas, @Ouze, @Bookwrack: The point wasn't weather Palin was unfit for VP... the point is when one person says something dumb, the media get their pound-o-flesh (Palin), and yet when the current VP says dumb things it's "aw shucks, that's like what my crazy uncle would say *shrugs*", as if it's an endearing quality.
No.
You ignored my post.
It became an issue with Palin because she chose make it an issue. The Couric interview is a good example. What has Biden done in response to his feth-ups that was embarassing as her trying to play her screw-up in a light weight interview as some sort of attack journalism? Even worse that the source material is so readily available,
We just had Biden do that whatever-the-hell really creepy shoulder rub thing, and everyone was all over that, but he didn't grab a flag and declare that this was his hill to die on, so once the shiney wore off, it went away. It would've played very differently if he'd tried to blame her, or that it was totally taken out of context and not what it looked like at all.
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Bookwrack wrote: Ha, well it's a good lesson that you don't get to complain when you deliberately sabotage yourself by not preparing for a softball Q&A, then double-down that being ask what you read is a gotcha.
In all fairness, being asked what magazines you read is a pretty "gotcha" question that I don't think any politician's ever been asked before, and is clearly gutter journalism by a left-wing hack.
And that whole "how does living near a foreign country make you experienced in foreign affairs?" thing
psst... that's Tina Fey in SNL spoof.
No, it wasn't.
Spoiler:
The comment "I can see Russia from my house" is often misattributed to Mrs. Palin, but that's not what Malus referenced. What Malus wrote is pretty much exactly what happened.
*sigh*
Yes. It was.
It all started with that Charilie Gibson ABC interview... then, a few days later, that SNL skit aired.
Malus point was that Palin was trying to push the idea that because being the governor of AK, that gives her some "foreign policy" experience. Even *I* think she pushed it a wee bit too far... but, she didn't deserve the amount of mocking she got for that.
Holy gak, are you claiming she didn't say what I just posted a video of her saying? And "proving" it by posting a snopes link to a point I addressed in my post and made clear was distinct?
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It may have also been the presidential candidate in question. Mccain is getting older, and the presidency ages you dramatically. Obama is young, fit, and healthy. Much greater chance of Palin getting the presidency then Biden. And the idea of a Palin presidency scares me.
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whembly wrote: @Co'tor Shas, @Ouze, @Bookwrack: The point wasn't weather Palin was unfit for VP... the point is when one person says something dumb, the media get their pound-o-flesh (Palin), and yet when the current VP says dumb things it's "aw shucks, that's like what my crazy uncle would say *shrugs*", as if it's an endearing quality.
No.
You ignored my post.
It became an issue with Palin because she chose make it an issue. The Couric interview is a good example. What has Biden done in response to his feth-ups that was embarassing as her trying to play her screw-up in a light weight interview as some sort of attack journalism? Even worse that the source material is so readily available,
We just had Biden do that whatever-the-hell really creepy shoulder rub thing, and everyone was all over that, but he didn't grab a flag and declare that this was his hill to die on, so once the shiney wore off, it went away. It would've played very differently if he'd tried to blame her, or that it was totally taken out of context and not what it looked like at all.
I didn't ignore your post.
I'm not defending Palin's screw ups. I'm pointing out how differently she was treated compared to Biden.
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Ouze wrote: Holy gak, are you claiming she didn't say what I just posted a video of her saying? And "proving" it by posting a snopes link to a point I addressed in my post and made clear was distinct?
Keep up man!
Lemme break it down...
ABC Charlie Gibson asked her in an interview:
“What insight into Russian actions, particularly during the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of this state give you?”
Palin answered, albeit clumsily:
“They’re our next-door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia, from land, here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.”
Few days later, the Tina Fey SNL skit dropped... and the rest is history.
Fast forward to the Kouric interview, here's what she said:
Couric: “You’ve cited Alaska’s proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?”
Palin: “That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia…”
Couric: “Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials?”
Palin: “Well, it certainly does, because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of . . . . It’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send out those to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia…”
Granted she left herself to criticism to what I highlighted above... and I'd rather she didn't do that, but as a governor bordering another country, Russia (and Canada) would obviously be on an Alaskan Governor's "radar", more so than a Governor of Missouri.
Anyhoo... we all can have debates on whether she's qualified or not. But, if you keep pushing the meme that she's unqualified because she says dumb stuff... then, how on earth is Biden qualified?
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Co'tor Shas wrote: It may have also been the presidential candidate in question. Mccain is getting older, and the presidency ages you dramatically. Obama is young, fit, and healthy. Much greater chance of Palin getting the presidency then Biden. And the idea of a Palin presidency scares me.
Fair enough. I can see that it's "more of a concern" of a McCain/Pain ticket vs. Obama/Biden ticket, and thus Palin got more scrutiny.
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whembly wrote: I'm pointing out how differently she was treated compared to Biden.
No, you're not. Again, the difference between the two was that after Palin made and flub and was called on it, she'd dig her heels in, try and shift blame or somehow justify why she was in the right. She never learned that especially when the national spotlight is on you, laughing it off and doing the water off a duck's back thing makes it go away.
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You were mistaken. Now, just like Sarah Palin, ironically, you're dissembling to cover it instead of just admitting it.
That's so meta, I can't even tell if he was doing it deliberately or not.
It's a brilliant example though, any road. if Whembly's first response had been, 'ha-ha, whoops, yeah, I'm so used to people believing 'I can see my house,' that I misread it,' this whole tangent would already be forgotten. Instead.
Well.
Here we are.
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"On the global warming alarmists, anyone who actually points to the evidence that disproves their apocalyptical claims, they don't engage in reasoned debate," Cruz said in an interview with reporter Jay Root on Tuesday. "What do they do? They scream, 'You're a denier.' They brand you a heretic. Today, the global warming alarmists are the equivalent of the flat-Earthers. It used to be [that] it is accepted scientific wisdom the Earth is flat, and this heretic named Galileo was branded a denier."
"On the global warming alarmists, anyone who actually points to the evidence that disproves their apocalyptical claims, they don't engage in reasoned debate," Cruz said in an interview with reporter Jay Root on Tuesday. "What do they do? They scream, 'You're a denier.' They brand you a heretic. Today, the global warming alarmists are the equivalent of the flat-Earthers. It used to be [that] it is accepted scientific wisdom the Earth is flat, and this heretic named Galileo was branded a denier."
"On the global warming alarmists, anyone who actually points to the evidence that disproves their apocalyptical claims, they don't engage in reasoned debate," Cruz said in an interview with reporter Jay Root on Tuesday. "What do they do? They scream, 'You're a denier.' They brand you a heretic. Today, the global warming alarmists are the equivalent of the flat-Earthers. It used to be [that] it is accepted scientific wisdom the Earth is flat, and this heretic named Galileo was branded a denier."
Yeah, but who's denying whom?
I'm more mocking Cruz for the fact that Galileo had nothing to do with Flat-Earth, which had been shown false literally centuries before he was even born. Galileo was branded because he posited that the Sun, not the Earth, was the center of the galaxy.
"On the global warming alarmists, anyone who actually points to the evidence that disproves their apocalyptical claims, they don't engage in reasoned debate," Cruz said in an interview with reporter Jay Root on Tuesday. "What do they do? They scream, 'You're a denier.' They brand you a heretic. Today, the global warming alarmists are the equivalent of the flat-Earthers. It used to be [that] it is accepted scientific wisdom the Earth is flat, and this heretic named Galileo was branded a denier."
Yeah, but who's denying whom?
I'm more mocking Cruz for the fact that Galileo had nothing to do with Flat-Earth, which had been shown false literally centuries before he was even born. Galileo was branded because he posited that the Sun, not the Earth, was the center of the galaxy.
"On the global warming alarmists, anyone who actually points to the evidence that disproves their apocalyptical claims, they don't engage in reasoned debate," Cruz said in an interview with reporter Jay Root on Tuesday. "What do they do? They scream, 'You're a denier.' They brand you a heretic. Today, the global warming alarmists are the equivalent of the flat-Earthers. It used to be [that] it is accepted scientific wisdom the Earth is flat, and this heretic named Galileo was branded a denier."
Yeah, but who's denying whom?
I'm more mocking Cruz for the fact that Galileo had nothing to do with Flat-Earth, which had been shown false literally centuries before he was even born. Galileo was branded because he posited that the Sun, not the Earth, was the center of the galaxy.
Galileo's dealings with the Inquisition were a pretty complicated affair and were made much worse when he alienated Urban VIII, who was a supporter of his.
Also, this is interesting... in the span of a week, George Zimmerman compared his ideals to that of Anne Frank and Ted Cruz compared himself to Galileo Galilei. What famous person in history will an idiot compare themselves to next?
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
Well, when a guy is chairman of the Subcommittee on Space, Science, and Competitiveness, and can't even get a few basic bits of science history right, I'd say he earned it.
I'd also so we're pretty hosed, but then again, what subcommittee doesn't have a complete buffoon on it somewhere.
"On the global warming alarmists, anyone who actually points to the evidence that disproves their apocalyptical claims, they don't engage in reasoned debate," Cruz said in an interview with reporter Jay Root on Tuesday. "What do they do? They scream, 'You're a denier.' They brand you a heretic. Today, the global warming alarmists are the equivalent of the flat-Earthers. It used to be [that] it is accepted scientific wisdom the Earth is flat, and this heretic named Galileo was branded a denier."
Yeah, but who's denying whom?
I'm more mocking Cruz for the fact that Galileo had nothing to do with Flat-Earth, which had been shown false literally centuries before he was even born. Galileo was branded because he posited that the Sun, not the Earth, was the center of the galaxy.
Galileo's dealings with the Inquisition were a pretty complicated affair and were made much worse when he alienated Urban VIII, who was a supporter of his.
Really? I must look into this...
Inquisition... is in, TheInquisition?
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streamdragon wrote: Well, when a guy is chairman of the Subcommittee on Space, Science, and Competitiveness, and can't even get a few basic bits of science history right, I'd say he earned it.
I'd also so we're pretty hosed, but then again, what subcommittee doesn't have a complete buffoon on it somewhere.
I dunno... woudn't you think in this case it's an honest mistake?
I mean... the Todd Akin thingy? That's the buffoonery you're looking for...
Also, this is interesting... in the span of a week, George Zimmerman compared himself to Anne Frank and Ted Cruz compared himself to Galileo Galilei. What famous person in history will an idiot compare themselves to next?
Okay... what site did you get this "he compared himself to Anne Frank?"
Just curious.
*he didn't say that fyi.
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"On the global warming alarmists, anyone who actually points to the evidence that disproves their apocalyptical claims, they don't engage in reasoned debate," Cruz said in an interview with reporter Jay Root on Tuesday. "What do they do? They scream, 'You're a denier.' They brand you a heretic. Today, the global warming alarmists are the equivalent of the flat-Earthers. It used to be [that] it is accepted scientific wisdom the Earth is flat, and this heretic named Galileo was branded a denier."
Yeah, but who's denying whom?
I'm more mocking Cruz for the fact that Galileo had nothing to do with Flat-Earth, which had been shown false literally centuries before he was even born. Galileo was branded because he posited that the Sun, not the Earth, was the center of the galaxy.
Galileo's dealings with the Inquisition were a pretty complicated affair and were made much worse when he alienated Urban VIII, who was a supporter of his.
Also, this is interesting... in the span of a week, George Zimmerman compared himself to Anne Frank and Ted Cruz compared himself to Galileo Galilei. What famous person in history will an idiot compare themselves to next?
Okay... what site did you get this "he compared himself to Anne Frank?"
Just curious.
*he didn't say that fyi.
I know exactly what he said so your tiny, tiny text is not needed. And yes, saying that Zimmerman compared himself to Anne Frank is reaching a little because he didn't say, "Hy guys, I'm just like Anne Frank!" but still... he feels oppressed by people (especially Barack HUSSEIN Obama) but he still thinks everyone has a good heart. It's subtle but intended.
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
He described one of his ideals, then following that mentioned that Anne Frank shared that particular ideal. That is quite different than actually comparing himself to Anne Frank.
See? This is why he needs to stay off the media grid, because anything he does will always be taken to extremes.
whembly wrote: He described one of his ideals, then following that mentioned that Anne Frank shared that particular ideal. That is quite different than actually comparing himself to Anne Frank.
See? This is why he needs to stay off the media grid, because anything he does will always be taken to extremes.
You're right, he compared his ideals to that of Anne Frank. I'll go back and edit it for you if it would make you happy, but only because I like you Whembly.
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
