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At least the hard drives didn't crash this time

 
   
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To be fair, nefarious purpose or not, it would be good practice to completely wipe and destroy any private property that remained in private possession which may contain classified material to prevent it from being stolen.

Of course better practice would have been to have the DoS examine and certify that all work emails were backed up and turned over, but of course that would be a worthless certification provided by yet another Obama stooge.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
To be fair, nefarious purpose or not, it would be good practice to completely wipe and destroy any private property that remained in private possession which may contain classified material to prevent it from being stolen.

Absolutely. But not in the middle of an investigation

 d-usa wrote:
Of course better practice would have been to have the DoS examine and certify that all work emails were backed up and turned over, but of course that would be a worthless certification provided by yet another Obama stooge.

Strange that the fear of an "Obama stooge" didn't stop the Committee asking that the server be turned over"to the Inspector General for the State Department or any other independent arbiter for analysis,”. Mrs. Clinton refused.

 
   
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 d-usa wrote:
To be fair, nefarious purpose or not, it would be good practice to completely wipe and destroy any private property that remained in private possession which may contain classified material to prevent it from being stolen.

Of course better practice would have been to have the DoS examine and certify that all work emails were backed up and turned over, but of course that would be a worthless certification provided by yet another Obama stooge.


If there is even a chance you spilled classified onto a non-Govt system (or even a Gov't system not on the classified network) you screwed up to begin with and are supposed to unplug the 'contaminated' device from all networks and turn it in so a damage assessment and proper cleaning/destruction can be done. And then you are supposed to undergo an investigation as to how/why classified got off the classified network in the first place.

Now, as far as I know, Sec Clinton stated she never had classified on this system. But if she did, and then wiped it without it having gone through the proper process and investigation, she screwed up.

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An independent person, such as the IG would have been her best bet, but we both know that it wouldn't have stopped any of the political movements against her based on this.

(But again, "that won't make them happy" is never a valid reason for not doing the right thing)

But we both know, and she should have known, that this was going to never be something that will be dropped by anyone the moment she saved her first email on the server. At that point the critics began to always have an opening, and you can't really do anything against that.

Server exists: "why did she do this, she must be hiding something".
Turns over emails: "these are not all the emails"
Turns over server to independent agency: "they agency is still part of the administration", "she had experts clean the server prior to turning it over", "how do we know this is the only server"

Even if she did absolutely nothing wrong (which is not what I'm arguing) the mere existence of the server is a giant mistake that she will never be able to fully mitigate and people will be able to build arguments about how she might still be hiding stuff for the rest of her political life.

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 d-usa wrote:
Even if she did absolutely nothing wrong (which is not what I'm arguing) the mere existence of the server is a giant mistake that she will never be able to fully mitigate and people will be able to build arguments about how she might still be hiding stuff for the rest of her political life.

Well, that and wiping the server

 
   
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Server exists: "why did she do this, she must be hiding something".
Turns over emails: "these are not all the emails"
Wipes server: "she must be hiding something"
Turns over server to independent agency: "they agency is still part of the administration", "she had experts clean the server prior to turning it over", "how do we know this is the only server", "she is hiding something"

Fixed

We can pretend that in the grand scheme of things it would have made a difference if she didn't wipe the server, but it wouldn't have done anything to silence the criticism that she left herself wipe open for.
   
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 d-usa wrote:

Server exists: "why did she do this, she must be hiding something".
Turns over emails: "these are not all the emails"
Wipes server: "she must be hiding something"
Turns over server to independent agency: "they agency is still part of the administration", "she had experts clean the server prior to turning it over", "how do we know this is the only server", "she is hiding something"

Fixed

We can pretend that in the grand scheme of things it would have made a difference if she didn't wipe the server, but it wouldn't have done anything to silence the criticism that she left herself wipe open for.

She is in politics, and has been most of her life. She was always going to get criticism, but by taking reasonable steps to mitigate against criticism (turning over the emails, turning the server over to an independent agency) then the cries of her opponents look more hollow and desperate, and less credible. Hilary is a shrewd politician, she would not be in politics for so long otherwise. That she took the path she has is interesting.

 
   
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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
She was always going to get criticism, but by taking reasonable steps to mitigate against criticism (turning over the emails, turning the server over to an independent agency) then the cries of her opponents look more hollow and desperate, and less credible.


I just don't think that handing over the server would have done anything to mitigate the criticism. The same crowd will always cry the same cries and they will just find another way to argue that she is hiding things such as claiming that the server she turned over was tampered with, that it wasn't the right/only server, that the IG is acting on direct orders by Obama to whitewash the problem, etc etc etc.

But again, I do agree 100% that turning over the server to the IG would have been the right thing to do. And I would never argue against the possibility that she could be hiding stuff.

Hilary is a shrewd politician, she would not be in politics for so long otherwise. That she took the path she has is interesting.


It really feels somewhat amateurish doesn't it.

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 d-usa wrote:
I just don't think that handing over the server would have done anything to mitigate the criticism. The same crowd will always cry the same cries and they will just find another way to argue that she is hiding things such as claiming that the server she turned over was tampered with, that it wasn't the right/only server, that the IG is acting on direct orders by Obama to whitewash the problem, etc etc etc.

But again, I do agree 100% that turning over the server to the IG would have been the right thing to do. And I would never argue against the possibility that she could be hiding stuff.

And so what if they do? By playing nice it gives you more room for maneuver, establishes good faith, persuades those on the fence, and makes your opponents look desperate. There is everything to gain for Clinton, and little to lose



 d-usa wrote:
It really feels somewhat amateurish doesn't it.

It really does, and to some that looks like weakness

 
   
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So before email existed, were cabinet members required to record all of their phone conversations and hand them over?

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 Gordon Shumway wrote:
So before email existed, were cabinet members required to record all of their phone conversations and hand them over?


Nixon took care of that for them.


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Another potential:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/29/carly-fiorina-presidential-campaign_n_6964340.html

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Not a big fan of Carly...

Also: et tu O’Malley?
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/03/29/omalley-speaks-out-against-possible-dynastic-rematch-for-white-house/?_r=0

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 d-usa wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
So before email existed, were cabinet members required to record all of their phone conversations and hand them over?


Nixon took care of that for them.


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Another potential:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/29/carly-fiorina-presidential-campaign_n_6964340.html


Nixon recorded everything, the paranoid nut that he was in many ways. My question was, was it mandatory? Is it mandatory now? If not, what makes anybody think that Clinton would have put anything in email format, even if it were on her own server which could be hacked, that could come back to haunt her? Presumably she would have had those conversations via phone.

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You know, the biggest problem I have with all this is the fact that it's basically a witch hunt using taxpayer money...Wasting taxpayer money to try to find anything that might possibly stick...
   
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 skyth wrote:
You know, the biggest problem I have with all this is the fact that it's basically a witch hunt using taxpayer money...Wasting taxpayer money to try to find anything that might possibly stick...
That isn't a recent development... that's been politics for a long time now.

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Does Carly have what it takes to pretend she might be the next president for 11 long months?

How well will this boost sales of her new book, out in 6 weeks? Will Mrs. Palin have to come out strongly against her, lest she cut into her share of rube-fleecing? Time will tell.

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Looks like there are some discrepancies with Mrs. Clinton's email saga
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/clinton-used-ipad-email-mixed-personal-chats-070736341--politics.html
WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton emailed her staff on an iPad as well as a BlackBerry while secretary of state, despite her explanation she exclusively used a personal email address on a homebrew server so that she could carry a single device, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

The State Department released a total of four emails between Clinton and her top advisers as part of a Freedom of Information Act request filed in 2013 by the AP, which sought Clinton's correspondence with senior advisers over a four-year period relating to drone strikes overseas and U.S. surveillance programs.

While limited, the emails offer one of the first looks into Clinton's correspondence while secretary of state. The messages came from and were sent to her private email address, hosted on a server at her property in Chappaqua, New York, as opposed to a government-run email account.

They show that Clinton, on at least one occasion, accidentally mingled personal and work matters. In reply to a message sent in September 2011 by adviser Huma Abedin to Clinton's personal email account, which contained an AP story about a drone strike in Pakistan, Clinton mistakenly replied with questions that appear to be about decorations.

"I like the idea of these," she wrote to Abedin. "How high are they? What would the bench be made of? And I'd prefer two shelves or attractive boxes/baskets/ conmtainers (sic) on one. What do you think?"

Abedin replied, "Did you mean to send to me?" To which Clinton wrote, "No-sorry! Also, pls let me know if you got a reply from my ipad. I'm not sure replies go thru."

The other emails between Clinton and her advisers provided by the State Department contained a summary of a 2011 meeting between Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and senior Egyptian officials in Cairo. It was uncensored and did not appear to contain sensitive information. That email was forwarded to Clinton's private account from Abedin's government email address.

In another note, Clinton expressed apparent dismay at leaks of classified U.S. government information to the media. Referencing a CNN story, which described "loose lips" in the Obama administration, she asked two officials if she should comment on the matter as had Leon Panetta, the former Central Intelligence Agency director.

"I think this is both dishonorable and dangerous and want to find way to say it," she wrote.

Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said early Tuesday that the secretary used her iPad from time to time, primarily to read news clippings.

At the United Nations earlier this month, Clinton said she chose a personal account over a government one out of convenience, describing it as a way to carry a single device, rather than one for work emails and another for personal messages.

"Looking back, it would have been probably, you know, smarter to have used two devices," Clinton said. Her office that day released a statement saying she "wanted the simplicity of using one device."

Clinton became secretary of state in 2009, a year before Apple Inc. released the iPad. Clinton at that time could have potentially split her accounts, reverting to an official State.gov email account and BlackBerry for work and leaving her personal email on her iPad.

Clinton has said she exchanged about 60,000 emails in her four years in the Obama administration, about half of which were work-related. She said none contained classified information, and that her private email system did not suffer any security breaches.

The highly unusual practice of a Cabinet-level official physically running her own email server gave Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination should she run as expected, complete control over access to her message archives.

Clinton said she deleted emails — some 30,000 in total — that she described as personal in nature, such as yoga routines, plans for her mother's funeral or her daughter's wedding. It's not clear how Clinton handled emails that mixed personal and official business, such as the exchange with Abedin.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., the chairman of a House committee investigating the 2012 Benghazi attacks, said Clinton wiped her email server "clean," permanently deleting all emails from it and has declined to relinquish her server to a third party for an independent review.

Clinton's attorney said she had turned over to the State Department all work-related emails sent or received during her tenure and it would make no sense to turn over her server, since "no emails ... reside on the server or on any backup systems associated with the server."

The emails obtained by AP stem from several public-records requests filed with the State Department, starting in 2010. Most were unfulfilled until this week, when the State Department said it could find only four messages that met the search terms of one such request.

Earlier this month, AP sued the department to force the release of email correspondence and government documents from Clinton's tenure as secretary of state, including those provided by the department this week.

The FOIA requests and federal lawsuit sought materials related to Clinton's public and private calendars; correspondence involving aides likely to play important roles in her expected campaign for president; and Clinton-related emails about the Osama bin Laden raid and controversial U.S. surveillance practices.


 
   
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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Seems Elizabeth Warren has upset the apple cart
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/27/us-usa-election-banks-idUSKBN0MN0BV20150327

(Reuters) - Big Wall Street banks are so upset with U.S. Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren's call for them to be broken up that some have discussed withholding campaign donations to Senate Democrats in symbolic protest, sources familiar with the discussions said.

Representatives from Citigroup, JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs and Bank of America, have met to discuss ways to urge Democrats, including Warren and Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown, to soften their party's tone toward Wall Street, sources familiar with the discussions said this week.


Every one of those groups can go frell themselves with a pitchfork sideways with the damage they have done and continue to do to this country. Buncha collaborative psychopaths competing to see who can be the biggest phallus to the American government and the American people. Bank of America, especially, has continually escaped punishment for its shenanigans because it is the stool pigeon that immediately turns on the others at even the slightest hint of federal interest in their activities.
   
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BofA was forced by regulators to buy Countrywide.


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Correction: they forced him to go through with a deal that was already in progress and under contract.

Bank of America: We'll totally buy them and write off the meager losses! Tax profit!
*countrywide drops a huge fart*
Bank of America: Oh, no way, I don't want to do this anymore.
Feds: Sorry dude, you signed, no backsies.

Edit: NPR has a better write up, I think.

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NPR doesn't know jack with what really went on then, but hey BofA are competitors so if you want to think that, works for me.

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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Okay, how about Kenneth Lewis who said:

The Journal reported at the time of the Countrywide purchase that regulators didn't push the deal. "There was no encouragement in all this," then-Chief Executive Kenneth Lewis said. "It doesn't mean they're not happy we did it, but there was no pressure at all and no prior discussions."


I mean, he's the one that actually started the deal in the first place. Does he not know what really went on?


edit: frickin WSJ. Apparently you'll give me the full article if I click a google search result, but then won't let me link it.

Edit: Here's a CNN article before the actual crash. Remember, everyone was talking about how awesome a move this was for BofA right up until the bottom fully fell out of Countrywide.

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Again I have no problems with BofA being accused of being Da Evilz.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Looks like there are some discrepancies with Mrs. Clinton's email saga
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/clinton-used-ipad-email-mixed-personal-chats-070736341--politics.html
WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton emailed her staff on an iPad as well as a BlackBerry while secretary of state, despite her explanation she exclusively used a personal email address on a homebrew server so that she could carry a single device, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

The State Department released a total of four emails between Clinton and her top advisers as part of a Freedom of Information Act request filed in 2013 by the AP, which sought Clinton's correspondence with senior advisers over a four-year period relating to drone strikes overseas and U.S. surveillance programs.

While limited, the emails offer one of the first looks into Clinton's correspondence while secretary of state. The messages came from and were sent to her private email address, hosted on a server at her property in Chappaqua, New York, as opposed to a government-run email account.

They show that Clinton, on at least one occasion, accidentally mingled personal and work matters. In reply to a message sent in September 2011 by adviser Huma Abedin to Clinton's personal email account, which contained an AP story about a drone strike in Pakistan, Clinton mistakenly replied with questions that appear to be about decorations.

"I like the idea of these," she wrote to Abedin. "How high are they? What would the bench be made of? And I'd prefer two shelves or attractive boxes/baskets/ conmtainers (sic) on one. What do you think?"

Abedin replied, "Did you mean to send to me?" To which Clinton wrote, "No-sorry! Also, pls let me know if you got a reply from my ipad. I'm not sure replies go thru."

The other emails between Clinton and her advisers provided by the State Department contained a summary of a 2011 meeting between Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and senior Egyptian officials in Cairo. It was uncensored and did not appear to contain sensitive information. That email was forwarded to Clinton's private account from Abedin's government email address.

In another note, Clinton expressed apparent dismay at leaks of classified U.S. government information to the media. Referencing a CNN story, which described "loose lips" in the Obama administration, she asked two officials if she should comment on the matter as had Leon Panetta, the former Central Intelligence Agency director.

"I think this is both dishonorable and dangerous and want to find way to say it," she wrote.

Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said early Tuesday that the secretary used her iPad from time to time, primarily to read news clippings.

At the United Nations earlier this month, Clinton said she chose a personal account over a government one out of convenience, describing it as a way to carry a single device, rather than one for work emails and another for personal messages.

"Looking back, it would have been probably, you know, smarter to have used two devices," Clinton said. Her office that day released a statement saying she "wanted the simplicity of using one device."

Clinton became secretary of state in 2009, a year before Apple Inc. released the iPad. Clinton at that time could have potentially split her accounts, reverting to an official State.gov email account and BlackBerry for work and leaving her personal email on her iPad.

Clinton has said she exchanged about 60,000 emails in her four years in the Obama administration, about half of which were work-related. She said none contained classified information, and that her private email system did not suffer any security breaches.

The highly unusual practice of a Cabinet-level official physically running her own email server gave Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination should she run as expected, complete control over access to her message archives.

Clinton said she deleted emails — some 30,000 in total — that she described as personal in nature, such as yoga routines, plans for her mother's funeral or her daughter's wedding. It's not clear how Clinton handled emails that mixed personal and official business, such as the exchange with Abedin.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., the chairman of a House committee investigating the 2012 Benghazi attacks, said Clinton wiped her email server "clean," permanently deleting all emails from it and has declined to relinquish her server to a third party for an independent review.

Clinton's attorney said she had turned over to the State Department all work-related emails sent or received during her tenure and it would make no sense to turn over her server, since "no emails ... reside on the server or on any backup systems associated with the server."

The emails obtained by AP stem from several public-records requests filed with the State Department, starting in 2010. Most were unfulfilled until this week, when the State Department said it could find only four messages that met the search terms of one such request.

Earlier this month, AP sued the department to force the release of email correspondence and government documents from Clinton's tenure as secretary of state, including those provided by the department this week.

The FOIA requests and federal lawsuit sought materials related to Clinton's public and private calendars; correspondence involving aides likely to play important roles in her expected campaign for president; and Clinton-related emails about the Osama bin Laden raid and controversial U.S. surveillance practices.



Okay... work with me here guys...

I'm going to start with a hypothetical with me & my job.

I work as an IT professional for one of the largest Healthcare system in the Midwest.

I have, at my finger tips, access to all patient informations including:
-patient hospital visits
-insurance information
-patient demographic (age, sex, religion, address, phone, email, next of kin, parents name, SSN, license #, etc..)
-patient account information access (would you like for me to credit chartes? )
-and them some.

Point being, it's a treasure trove of information for me to "be the bad guy"... anywhere from Identity Theft, Insurance Fraud, Embessalment, etc...

Hence, as a requirement of my job, I not only have to understand the applicable laws (hippa, sarb-ox, etc...) I'm required to use my work email for all work related activites.

If I get caught sending patient information, or even work sensitive materials via my gmail account. I'm boned. Seriously 100% Boned so hard, that losing my job is the least of my worries. I'd be reported to local, state AND federal authorities.

And now... look at the cavalier way HRC handled classified materials and communication meant to be archived for public records...

That's the point of views we're up against here.


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wo.

Here's one email exchange:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1698021-hillary-clinton-huma-abedin-emails.html

Sensitive information mixed in with personal. (also "sent by my iPad").

That's how she'll wiggle out of this one... "see, there's personal information here, so we can delete it".

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I thought you point was that she wouldn't be affected by this at all politically? So do you find your job to be to influence one dakka member to be influenced? Not really sure what your angle here is other than to promote your own political ideology an demote those you oppose.

And unless the GOP starts to learn that there is no way to beat the Clinton's with "scandals," they have no shot in ever beating them in an election. They will have to be beat on personality or positions. For fething sake, Bill was getting bjs in the Oval Office and cheating on his wife plus the other twenty or so "scandals" the GOP was scrounging up, and he still walloped a decorated WWII vet with over thirty years in the senate. Granted, Dole did try to run on policy, but he had the personality of his wooden hand and the republican machine behind him only wanted to talk about the scandals anyway.

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I thought you point was that she wouldn't be affected by this at all politically? So do you find your job to be to influence one dakka member to be influenced? Not really sure what your angle here is other than to promote your own political ideology an demote those you oppose.

And unless the GOP starts to learn that there is no way to beat the Clinton's with "scandals," they have no shot in ever beating them in an election. They will have to be beat on personality or positions. For fething sake, Bill was getting bjs in the Oval Office and cheating on his wife plus the other twenty or so "scandals" the GOP was scrounging up, and he still walloped a decorated WWII vet with over thirty years in the senate. Granted, Dole did try to run on policy, but he had the personality of his wooden hand and the republican machine behind him only wanted to talk about the scandals anyway.

I don't HRC to win.

But, I'm not quite convinced any GOP candidates can take her on during the election season.

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So...

Politics as usual? Or is this something we all should condemn, regardless of your political spectrum?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/harry-reid-is-proud-he-lied-about-mitt-romneys-taxes/article/2562300
Harry Reid is proud he lied about Mitt Romney's taxes
Harry Reid, D-Nev. has no regrets about his 2012 claims that then presidential candidate Mitt Romney paid no taxes for 10 years.

The outgoing Senate Minority Leader even bragged to CNN that the comments, which had been described as McCarthyism, helped keep Romney from winning the election.

"They can call it whatever they want. Romney didn't win did he?" Reid said during a wide-ranging interview.

So, in Reid's world, it is perfectly acceptable to make a defamatory charge against an opponent to damage his campaign.

Reid first made the accusation against the former Massachusetts governor in a 2012 interview with the Huffington Post. At the time, Reid claimed that a Bain Capital investor told him Romney didn't pay taxes for the previous 10 years. This, Reid claimed, was why Romney hadn't released his tax returns.

"He didn't pay taxes for 10 years!" Reid said. "Now, do I know that that's true? Well, I'm not certain, but obviously he can't release those tax returns. How would it look?"

A few days after the HuffPo interview, Reid made the same charge on the Senate floor, this time claiming as fact that Romney paid no taxes.

"As we know, he has refused to release his tax returns. If a person coming before this body wanted to be a Cabinet officer, he couldn't be if he had the same refusal Mitt Romney does about tax returns," Reid said. "So the word is out that he has not paid any taxes for 10 years. Let him prove he has paid taxes, because he has not."

Even though Reid made a slanderous statement that Romney had in fact paid not taxes, without mentioning anything about his Bain source or skepticism, he cannot be sued for that particular statement. Article I, Section 6 of the Constitution states that members of Congress shall "be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place." The only exceptions to this rule are for treason, felonies and "breach of the peace."

After his floor speech, Reid made the claim again, except this time he again cited his "extremely credible source" for the accusation.

So when Reid directly accused Romney of being a tax dodge, he did so from the safety of the Senate floor. Outside the protection of legislative immunity, Romney was only possibly a tax dodge.

Not only does Reid not think he did anything wrong, he's actually proud that his lies might have helped cost Romney the election.

Note: The Washington Post's fact checker gave Reid "4 Pinocchios" for his claims. PolitiFact gave the claim a "pants on fire" rating.


When you get down to it, what Reid did is no different than me saying:
I think it is very important that we reiterate that there is no proof to the allegation that Reid's recent injuries were caused by the father of one of the children he was molesting. None at all!
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