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He got elected, and then the other party decided they would do everything they could to stop his party from accomplishing anything. Politics as usual, really. Idealism does not survive for long in D.C.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
He got elected, and then the other party decided they would do everything they could to stop his party from accomplishing anything. Politics as usual, really. Idealism does not survive for long in D.C.
Wait..............didn't the Democrats have control of both the House and the Senate on his first rodeo?
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Rosebuddy wrote: "The terrorists" already have won, anyway. The US is now engaged in eternal war and going ever more bonkers over Security. That was the whole point from the start.
I got really tired of hearing this ten years ago. The goal of 'the terrorists' was not to erode our freedoms a bit, or make us engage in some wars, or to make people wait 15 minutes longer to get on a plane or whatever relatively slight inconvenience people want to wax hyperbolic about now.
We haven't retreated from the world stage, America and/or the West hasn't fallen apart and collapsed into chaos. That is what they want.
I got really tired of hearing this ten years ago. The goal of 'the terrorists' was not to erode our freedoms a bit, or make us engage in some wars, or to make people wait 15 minutes longer to get on a plane or whatever relatively slight inconvenience people want to wax hyperbolic about now.
Osama bin Laden said Al-Qaeda's terrorism was intended to threaten the US financially by forcing wars, the drop in US air travel was just a bonus for them. The whole "eroding freedoms" thing was mostly a product of US politics.
"They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Those are things that people in small, manufacturing towns in the rust belt often do; the area Obama was speaking of. Pointing out the existence of a the thing does not create that thing.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Exhibit A as to why you should never speak to any federal investigators w/o an attorney.
I like this part:
If the state can decide that specific, legal behavior will trigger scrutiny by federal law enforcement and that any attempt to avoid that scrutiny is illegal, even if no other crime is proved, everyone’s privacy and freedom from unjust arrest is undermined.
Indeed bro.
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We haven't retreated from the world stage, America and/or the West hasn't fallen apart and collapsed into chaos. That is what they want.
The irony here is that Bush actually campaigned the first time around with that retreat from the world stage and got elected president on it.... If they hadn't bothered hijacking anything, they would have gotten at least that part of their desire down.
The irony here is that Bush actually campaigned the first time around with that retreat from the world stage and got elected president on it.... If they hadn't bothered hijacking anything, they would have gotten at least that part of their desire down.
One of his major campaign points was boosting the Defense budget, and he was surrounded by Hawks. Had 9/11 not happened there probably wouldn't have been any full-scale invasions (though Iraq may still have happened), but the US wouldn't have become isolationist either.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Perry's now officially running. How many is that now - 127?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Won't matter. He won't make it very far. There are a lot of skeletons in his closet.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Doesnt Rick Perry hold the record for executions? As we saw in the previous GOP primary debates in terms of audience reactions, this might play well for him with the conservative base, but it's a deal-breaker in the General election in my judgement.
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jasper76 wrote: Doesnt Rick Perry holds the record for executions? As we saw in the previous GOP primary debates in terms of audience reactions, this might play well for him with the conservative base, but it's a deal-breaker in the General election in my judgement.
Nah... that won't do him... I don't believe the Death Penalty in iteself is much of a game changer.
It'll be things like:
-amnesty (I think he's flip-flopped on it now)
-perception of TX Gov. = another Bush (even though Bushes and Perrys don't like each other)
-disasterous '12 debate (unable to name a fed dept to cut)
-ongoing indictment
jasper76 wrote: Doesnt Rick Perry holds the record for executions? As we saw in the previous GOP primary debates in terms of audience reactions, this might play well for him with the conservative base, but it's a deal-breaker in the General election in my judgement.
Nah... that won't do him... I don't believe the Death Penalty in iteself is much of a game changer.
It'll be things like:
-amnesty (I think he's flip-flopped on it now)
-perception of TX Gov. = another Bush (even though Bushes and Perrys don't like each other)
-disasterous '12 debate (unable to name a fed dept to cut)
-ongoing indictment
However, he's really good at retail politics.
Yeah, I don't think GWB did much to help the hopes of presidential aspirants from Texas....which is weird really, because his family is about as Northeast, Ivy League, elitist as they come.
No reason to believe he will be better in future debates. He hasn't debated anyone in years-both before and after that fiasco.
However, like many he's probably running for the consolation prize: cabinet position or VP.
Walker-Pres/Rubio-VP (or flip that) with Perry, Kasich, and maybe Jindal in cabinet type positions. Fiorina gets curb stomped but gets paid off to act as chief Female Attacking Clinton. Cruz goes off to start a book tour or something. Man I hate that guy.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Gotcha question for Rick Perry: name the top 3 accomplishments of Hillary Clinton.
Named Secretary of State, long time Senator, first First Lady to be elected to office, and nearly became the first female POTUS. That's more than 3, but it wouldn't be hard to create a significantly longer list. Any person asking the question you just posed would be argumentatively pimp-slapped.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Gotcha question for Rick Perry: name the top 3 accomplishments of Hillary Clinton.
Named Secretary of State, long time Senator, first First Lady to be elected to office, and nearly became the first female POTUS. That's more than 3, but it wouldn't be hard to create a significantly longer list. Any person asking the question you just posed would be argumentatively pimp-slapped.
:ducks:
Serious question: If you were a consultant to Clinton's campaign, what would be your top 3 HRC accomplishments? Not job titles... what did she *do*?
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dogma wrote: That would be a great speech if he were running for a political position in Texas.
Perry wrote:
I led the world's 12th largest economy.
I would be interested to know how he calculated that.
Its Texas. Now edit your statement before Frazz see's it
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Serious question: If you were a consultant to Clinton's campaign, what would be your top 3 HRC accomplishments? Not job titles... what did she *do*?
Are you implying that earning a prestigious job title is not an accomplishment, or something which that person did? If so, that seems awfully close to riffing off the argument conservatives claim Obama made in the "You din't build that" speech.
Serious question: If you were a consultant to Clinton's campaign, what would be your top 3 HRC accomplishments? Not job titles... what did she *do*?
Are you implying that earning a prestigious job title is not an accomplishment, or something which that person did? If so, that seems awfully close to riffing off the argument conservatives claim Obama made in the "You din't build that" speech.
Not. Even. Close.
What are her qualities that makes you want to vote for her? Did she do anything during her tenure as SoS or Senate years that makes you want to say "hey... she'd be a good President!"
What are her qualities that makes you want to vote for her? Did she do anything during her tenure as SoS or Senate years that makes you want to say "hey... she'd be a good President!"?
I don't vote, I can't be bothered.
But as to the end of your second sentence: She has supported women's rights throughout the world, doing so in a hawkish fashion outside the US. Tried to work across Party lines during her first term, managing to secure support for healthcare reform from Newt Gingrich. And pushed to expand broadband coverage in the US. I can go on, but she has clearly done, or tried to do, a lot of things many people would consider "good".
I think he's taking waaaay too much credit though.
Texas has slightly more people than Australia, too. In a lot of ways we really are a hell of a lot like Texas. Barren deathworld. Resource rich. A lot of people in wide brimmed hats. Ute/truck culture.
On Perry’s thing about taking credit, it’s really a load of crap. For starters, you can’t pick single states out of the national figures and pretend they’re their own thing. There’s still a Federal govt above you, that collects more taxes from your state and more on your people than you do. To compare to Australia, sure the economy is overall the same, but is Perry handling the foreign relations of Texas with the rest of the world? Is he running a military?
Then there’s the issue with Perry taking all the credit. Now I don’t fall for the easy line put across the leftwing that Texas performance is just due to resource extraction – back of the envelope calculations puts resource extraction as about a third of Texas growth in the last decade. Take out that third and Texas still comfortably outperforms the national average.
So we have to acknowledge other strengths have driven Texas performance. But a lot of those strengths are outside of any government control, like the general migration south in our new air-conditioned world. And then if we look just at the parts of growth that might be related to government policy, like simpler building codes, more land open for development leading to cheaper housing and so on… all of that was pretty much in place before Perry came along.
So really, the best we can say for Perry is that he didn’t do anything to feth up a good thing. Which actually isn’t the worst pitch, and certainly a good one to appeal to the right side of politics, but when it’s you’re one big card and you’re leading with it, it probably won’t put you in the Whitehouse. Giuliani had way more actual substance to his reforms in NY, and we all know how that turned out.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
