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Well, Donald truly and emphatically believes there is no such thing as bad publicity. The important thing is, you're talking about him; regardless of why.

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If Donald Trump can be leading a major political party's polls, that should tell you something about that political party and the people who identify with it. Comedy Central aired his roast last night. The Situation from Jersey Shore killed it...let that sink in folks. The Situation from Jersey Shore roasted the current leading Republican candidate.

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 motyak wrote:
You're kidding about the SS thing right?


He kids you not. Look closely at the image. Those are German troops from WW2

I'm suing Trump for damages, because when I saw that picture, I nearly fell off my seat

That's what I love about American politics. You could not make this gak up

I remember a few years back, when a woman from the Tea party (her name escapes me) made a party political broadcast, and the first thing she said was "I am not a witch."

I am a huge fan of America, but sometimes I despair at the idiots they elect.


In other news , Hilary Clinton backs the Iran deal. Whembley should be happy


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Mother Jones can now reveal that the image in question was taken at a World War II reenactment near Kent, England, some time within the last five years, according to its photographer, George Cairns. We reached Cairns by Skype at his home in St Albans, a town just north of London, where he was hanging out playing video games when his Twitter feed started to blow up in response to the Trump story.

Cairns is a British freelance stock photographer and photography instructor who says he frequents war reenactments as good locations to pick up realistic-looking stock images—not just of Nazis, but also of American GIs and other soldiers. Cairns said he didn't know much about Donald Trump beyond the controversy over a golf course the billionaire and GOP presidential contender bought in Scotland last year.

So what does Cairns make of Trump using his image to endorse his candidacy?

"Well luckily, it's not endorsed him in a sense... So that's a good thing," he said. "I'm not a Trump supporter. I can sleep OK tonight."

In an almost impossibly bizarre coincidence, this isn't the first time the Cairns family has been caught up in a photo kerfuffle involving Nazis and American politicians. George's brother John is also a stock photographer, and took the image of Nazi reenactors that was accidentally used in a flier for the campaign of North Carolina state legislator Tim Spear in 2010.

"I have photos of American soldiers as well," Cairns said. "But for some reason, politicians seem to be downloading Nazis."



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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

What part do the States play in enforcing immigration? What if other States decided that other Federal laws should not apply to them?


We still have counties and probably cities around the US that are "dry" even after federal law was amended to make the sale and consumption of alcohol legal.


Er, I'm sure what you meant to say was that we still have dry counties even though the Amended Constitution has deferred the regulation of alcohol back to the states.



Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2. The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.
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Thank you for getting to that before I could. So what discretion is granted to the states in respect of immigration?

Little, its a true federal issue. They can help patrol and arrest da illegals, and cooperate but thats the extent*

*This is based on my extensive knowledge of almost nothing...


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HAve any of you guys answered the quiz on www.isidewith.com ? I just did it, and due to my non-American pinko tendencies I got Bernie Sanders ....I bet Frazzled gets Trump ;p


Trump can off.

Evidently I'm like Rubio 86%


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 reds8n wrote:
so to summarise :

Trump tweets the following

Spoiler:




Which features a stock photo of people in military garb.

Who it turns out are WW II re-enactors dressed as SS


... For some the image of nazi soldiers walking towards the White House might be .... I dunno .... something you wouldn't want to suggest happening under ones leadership tenure.

and yet he's now leading the polls of the Republican Candidates

whilst other Republicans are suggesting he is in fact some form of Democrat ploy to hurt the Republicans election chances.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/florida-republican-donald-trump-is-a-democratic-plot-to-make-gop-look-stupid/



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You're kidding about the SS thing right?

Nope.

It's real.

Someone dun 'ed up.


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 dogma wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Gay marriage is now legal by virtue of the Supreme Court rule. It's the law of the land.


No, it isn't. It is just what the Supreme Court said, that doesn't make it "the law of the land".

 whembly wrote:

Same with immigration laws. These sanctuary cities breaking federal laws, as they are REQUIRED to report illegal immigrants to ICE officials.


There is no Federal law which requires cities to report illegal immigrants.


Yes there is, DHS' Priority Enforcement Program requires local and state law enforcement to send the same biometric data that they send to the FBI for criminal history and warrant checks to be sent to ICE so that ICE can determine if the individual being arrested is a priority for removal.
https://www.ice.gov/pep


So, then, NOT the "Constitution" as others were arguing.



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 Frazzled wrote:
SCOTUS has confirmed that immigration is fed purview when it knocked down Arizona's laws last year.


You know there IS such a thing as the Constitution getting an issue wrong, and thus it is up to states to lead in striking down the parts that get something wrong.

I believe that at least two issues fall into this category:

• Slavery
• Alcohol Prohibition

While the former was not explicitly encoded into the Constitution, the latter was.

But in both cases it was individual states deciding they had had enough of following a law that was broken.

In the case of immigration, the failure of the Federal Government to do anything meaningful on immigration essentially left it to Local Governments to act.

Some of those actions (Arizona) were seen as clear violations of Federal Law in ways other than just defying what was the purview of the Federal Government (In the Arizona Case, the law was also clearly racist in motivation).

Simply pointing to the Constitution and shrieking "See! SEE!" does not answer the question of whether something has a sound moral or ethical foundation.

And when a policy is determined to be lacking that foundation, it is incumbent upon individuals to act according to their conscience, as San Francisco, and other Sanctuary Cities have done.



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Slavery was outlawed via constitutional amendments. Prohibition was initiated by a constitutional amendment and later repealed by another constitutional amendment. Both issues are clearly in the constitution.


And that has absolutely nothing to do with there point that the Constitution got those issues wrong FIRST, before they were corrected.

i.e. It is irellevant that the Constitution was changed to the point that it got these issues WRONG before changing them.

SO. . . PRIOR to the Slavery being outlawed in the Constitution (as early as 1775, in fact, in Vermont, where Slavery was first outlawed), individual states (Northern) outlawed the institution of Slavery:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

And PRIOR to Alcohol Prohibition being repealed, Individual States simply stopped enforcing the laws:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States
Economic urgency played no small part in accelerating the advocacy for repeal. The number of conservatives who pushed for prohibition in the beginning decreased. Many farmers who fought for prohibition now fought for repeal because of the negative effects it had on the agriculture business.[63] Prior to the 1920 implementation of the Volstead Act, approximately 14% of federal, state, and local tax revenues were derived from alcohol commerce. When the Great Depression hit and tax revenues plunged, the governments needed this revenue stream.[64] Millions could be made by taxing beer. There was controversy on whether the repeal should be a state or nationwide decision.[63] On March 22, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt signed an amendment to the Volstead Act, known as the Cullen–Harrison Act, allowing the manufacture and sale of 3.2% beer (3.2% alcohol by weight, approximately 4% alcohol by volume) and light wines. The Volstead Act previously defined an intoxicating beverage as one with greater than 0.5% alcohol.[9] Upon signing the Cullen–Harrison Act, Roosevelt made his famous remark: "I think this would be a good time for a beer."[65]


So, that local governments are taking the lead in an unjust Federal Policy/Law in establishing Sanctuary cities has its precedents in PRIOR ACTS of this same nature.

MB


Only in the sense that the constitution empowers the federal govt to run federal agencies and put into practice policies regarding the mission of those federal agencies such as immigration and law enforcement.

The constitution only got slavery "wrong" in the sense that it didn't outlaw it nationwide but the constitution did nothing to prevent states from abolishing slavery or individual citizens from manumitting slaves. The constitution is a charter of negative liberties that limits the jurisdiction of the federal government. Slavery was a state issue, that's how federalism and the 10th amendment works. Virginia outlawed the importation of slaves years before the federal govt outlawed the importation of slaves. The constitution was always going to give states a generous amount of autonomy because the convention was only being held because the Articles of Confederation gave the states so much autonomy that the federal government was nonfunctional. The delegates were never going to create a federal leviathan they were only there to create more balanced federalism so that we had a functional national government. The constitution didn't get slavery wrong, it gave every state the opportunity to get it right. That some states didn't isn't the constitution's fault.

One vague sentence about an alleged controversy is not proof that state and local governments were violating federal law with impunity. Your quote makes it clear that the federal govt amended the Volstead Act to allow more alcohol to be sold. That's the federal govt amending a federal law. If local and state govts ignoring the federal prohibition wasn't a problem then FDR wouldn't have needed to amend the Volstead Act.

The constitution didn't get prohibition wrong. The constitution as originally written didn't contain anything about prohibition. 120+ years after it was ratified Congress passed an amendment creating the federal prohibition of the sale of alcohol. A few years later they passed another amendment to repeal the prohibition amendment. I don't understand your issue with prohibition. Is your argument that the constituion failed because it lacked specific language detailing whether or not it was lawful for the states to ratify an amendment that forbade the manufacture and sale of a controlled substance? The federal govt established its jurisdiction over alcohol back during the Whiskey Rebellion, long before prohibition showed up.

There is no legal framework wherein a state or individual can lawfully violate federal laws. Nullification attempts were struck down by the federal courts and SCOTUS in the 1850s and the 1950s. You can have a personal opinion that a particular federal law is immoral or unjust but that opinion does not allow you to violate that federal law with impunity. Violating standing federal law is, has been, and always will be an illegal act subject to prosecution by the federal govt.

Courts at the state and federal level, including the U.S. Supreme Court, repeatedly have rejected the theory of nullification.[2] The courts have decided that under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, federal law is superior to state law, and that under Article III of the Constitution, the federal judiciary has the final power to interpret the Constitution. Therefore, the power to make final decisions about the constitutionality of federal laws lies with the federal courts, not the states, and the states do not have the power to nullify federal laws.

Between 1798 and the beginning of the Civil War in 1861, several states threatened or attempted nullification of various federal laws. None of these efforts were legally upheld. The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions were rejected by the other states. The Supreme Court rejected nullification attempts in a series of decisions in the 19th century, including Ableman v. Booth, which rejected Wisconsin's attempt to nullify the Fugitive Slave Act. The Civil War ended most nullification efforts.

In the 1950s, southern states attempted to use nullification and interposition to prevent integration of their schools. These attempts failed when the Supreme Court again rejected nullification in Cooper v. Aaron, explicitly holding that the states may not nullify federal law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_(U.S._Constitution)

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A minor, possibly nitpicky, correction. Congress only proposes amendments, but it is the states that ratify them. Interestingly, the repeal of Prohibition is the only amendment to be ratified by state conventions rather than state legislatures.

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Question for American dakka members: have you guys seen any Iranian troops in your towns/cities?

Just been watching the Fox News/Republican party reaction to the Iran deal, and by the sounds of things, you guys are being invaded by Iran

I would love for British troops to help our American friends, but budget cuts have bitten deep into the British military


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Posted earlier somewhere either in this thread or another.
Saudi going nuclear
Jordan going nuclear
Egypt going nuclear
Israel is nuclear (bombs)
Putin is helping them build their reactors.

Edit

Putin did not help Israel

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Question for American dakka members: have you guys seen any Iranian troops in your towns/cities?

Just been watching the Fox News/Republican party reaction to the Iran deal, and by the sounds of things, you guys are being invaded by Iran

I would love for British troops to help our American friends, but budget cuts have bitten deep into the British military



No, but Iranian Quds force have killed or helped kill 100s of our troops (and some of yours) in Iraq, and they, through their proxies have been causing trouble in many other places (and have been for decades) to include certain countries in South and Central America (one of the many things I did when in Panama was look at Hez activities in our AOR).

And we DID recently have the 2011 assassination of the Saudi Ambassador plot. Open source/unclassified reporting is a bit confused as to Iranian gov't or rogue Quds involvement, but the plot was there one way or another...

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 CptJake wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Question for American dakka members: have you guys seen any Iranian troops in your towns/cities?

Just been watching the Fox News/Republican party reaction to the Iran deal, and by the sounds of things, you guys are being invaded by Iran

I would love for British troops to help our American friends, but budget cuts have bitten deep into the British military



No, but Iranian Quds force have killed or helped kill 100s of our troops (and some of yours) in Iraq, and they, through their proxies have been causing trouble in many other places (and have been for decades) to include certain countries in South and Central America (one of the many things I did when in Panama was look at Hez activities in our AOR).

And we DID recently have the 2011 assassination of the Saudi Ambassador plot. Open source/unclassified reporting is a bit confused as to Iranian gov't or rogue Quds involvement, but the plot was there one way or another...


By Hez, do you mean Hezbollah?

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

By Hez, do you mean Hezbollah?


Yes, sorry I should have spelled it out but I'm a lazy son of a gun.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Just been watching the Fox News/Republican party reaction to the Iran deal, and by the sounds of things, you guys are being invaded by Iran



That's just Politics 101: if Party X tries to accomplish some big thing, Party Y must vilify it, no matter how good it may or may not actually be. Giving any credit to the other party is just giving vote away.

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 CptJake wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

By Hez, do you mean Hezbollah?


Yes, sorry I should have spelled it out but I'm a lazy son of a gun.


No problem. I take your point about Iranian backed groups 'operating abroad' and with the easing of sanctions and money coming into Iran, it'll probably get worse.

In saying that, it's not as if the US/UK/Israel are completely defenceless. I'm reliably informed that our respective governments spend a lot of money on their military and intelligence capabilities.


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Just been watching the Fox News/Republican party reaction to the Iran deal, and by the sounds of things, you guys are being invaded by Iran



That's just Politics 101: if Party X tries to accomplish some big thing, Party Y must vilify it, no matter how good it may or may not actually be. Giving any credit to the other party is just giving vote away.


You've just demonstrated a golden rule of politics as well: answer a question as though it were the question you wanted to be asked. You didn't say if you were getting invaded or not

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Question for American dakka members: have you guys seen any Iranian troops in your towns/cities?

Just been watching the Fox News/Republican party reaction to the Iran deal, and by the sounds of things, you guys are being invaded by Iran

I would love for British troops to help our American friends, but budget cuts have bitten deep into the British military




1. I haven't seen any around where I live. I also suspect that any Iranian troops would see difficulties around here, or around places like Texas

2. Your problem there is that you were watching Fox News

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

By Hez, do you mean Hezbollah?


Yes, sorry I should have spelled it out but I'm a lazy son of a gun.


No problem. I take your point about Iranian backed groups 'operating abroad' and with the easing of sanctions and money coming into Iran, it'll probably get worse.

In saying that, it's not as if the US/UK/Israel are completely defenceless. I'm reliably informed that our respective governments spend a lot of money on their military and intelligence capabilities.


And I doubt you'll find me advocating a military solution to Iran at this point, except maybe as part of the ongoing 'asymmetric' rigamarole we are dancing to all over. If some of our guys get to cap some Quds or their proxies in Afghanistan (yes they operate there) or Iraq/Syria while running the course of doing business it won't hurt my feelings a bit.

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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Question for American dakka members: have you guys seen any Iranian troops in your towns/cities?

Just been watching the Fox News/Republican party reaction to the Iran deal, and by the sounds of things, you guys are being invaded by Iran

I would love for British troops to help our American friends, but budget cuts have bitten deep into the British military




1. I haven't seen any around where I live. I also suspect that any Iranian troops would see difficulties around here, or around places like Texas

2. Your problem there is that you were watching Fox News

3. It's not so much budget cuts, but rather that when you lose that much tea in one go, it's hard to recoup the monetary damages


For all I know, you might have joined forces with them. Every man has his price


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

By Hez, do you mean Hezbollah?


Yes, sorry I should have spelled it out but I'm a lazy son of a gun.


No problem. I take your point about Iranian backed groups 'operating abroad' and with the easing of sanctions and money coming into Iran, it'll probably get worse.

In saying that, it's not as if the US/UK/Israel are completely defenceless. I'm reliably informed that our respective governments spend a lot of money on their military and intelligence capabilities.


And I doubt you'll find me advocating a military solution to Iran at this point, except maybe as part of the ongoing 'asymmetric' rigamarole we are dancing to all over. If some of our guys get to cap some Quds or their proxies in Afghanistan (yes they operate there) or Iraq/Syria while running the course of doing business it won't hurt my feelings a bit.


Al Jazeera have been doing some good journalism on the Iran situation and the impression I get that this deal was pushed through for two reasons:

1) To keep the hard-liners in Iran at bay

2) Fear that sanctions could lead to regime change in Iran = more Iraq/Syria style instability in the Middle East.

Obama has came to the conclusion better the devil you know, rather than another Middle East power vacuum.

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Last Repubican primary we had a bunch of nonsense talking idiots gain sudden popularity, before dropping away in the polls to overtaken by another nonsense talking idiot. Michelle Bachmann did well in early straw polls, then we had Herman Cain, and then things got really weird with Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich being frontrunners for brief periods.

At the time it was written off as 'anyone by Romney' but it seems like its happening again, especially now that the deeply ridiculous Donald Trump is leading. It starts to look like the dynamic is actually 'anyone but a Republican'.

And it kind of makes sense when you think about it. The Republican mantra for a long time has been to hate government, especially politicians, and especially Federal politicians. So it isn't too much of a surprise that every four years the base goes looking for someone who they don't immediately recognise as a politician... until the get a couple more weeks of exposure to their new candidate and they see this new non-politician out there making speeches and they realise he's actually a politician just like everyone else in this political race. Shocked by this discovery, they move on to the next nitwit, and so on and so on until all that's left are the conventional candidates.

Last primary the Republicans finally settled on a broadly sensible politician*, and you'd have to think in the end they'll do the same again. But we aren't there yet, and in the mean time they're actually considering one of the most deeply ridiculous public figures as their Presidential candidate.



*I share very few political opinions with Romney, but at the end of the day he wasn't a complete loon. Compare him to Ron Paul or Herman Cain. I'm not completely convinced Herman Cain wasn't just having a laugh the whole time, actually.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
It's a weird nickname, imo. Especially since the democratic party is older. Maybe because it's filled with rich, old people.


Yep.

The GOP essentially (Once) represented the OLD Wealth of New England, and was the more socially progressive party on most things (from 1860 - 1918). A change in the demographics of the US Aristocracy (using that word metaphorically - hopefully no one will freak overly much) after the 1900s saw more and more of the Old South's Wealth become associated with the New England Wealthy (mostly the new Oil Barons from Texas - which is how my family got involved, and where I learned this history of the GOP), which led to increasingly conservative values, socially, over the years (especially after the Democrat/Republican flip of the 1970s, where all of the old Democrats of the South (Dixiecrats) joined the GOP, to give us what we have today..

The first mentions of "Grand ol' Party" are from Newspapers in the 1870s. And the name has been used to mean different things through the years (Get Out and Push - during the 1920s/30s; "Generation Of Peace - by Nixon; and Gallant Old Party, in the 1900s).

It could come from taking the name of an English Prime Minister of the early Republican Period, who were by the nickname of the "Grand Old Man" (GOM).

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Clinton favorable falls to 39%
I would expect dirt to start appearing about Sanders and O-Mally

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton's standing is falling among Democrats, and voters view her as less decisive and inspiring than when she launched her presidential campaign just three months ago, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll.

The survey offers a series of warning signs for the leading Democratic candidate. Most troubling, perhaps, for her prospects are questions about her compassion for average Americans, a quality that fueled President Barack Obama's two White House victories.

Just 39 percent of all Americans have a favorable view of Clinton, compared to nearly half who say they have a negative opinion of her. That's an eight-point increase in her unfavorable rating from an AP-GfK poll conducted at the end of April.

The drop in Clinton's numbers extends into the Democratic Party. Seven in 10 Democrats gave Clinton positive marks, an 11-point drop from the April survey. Nearly a quarter of Democrats now say they see Clinton in an unfavorable light.

"I used to like her, but I don't trust her," said Donald Walters of Louisville, Kentucky. "Ever since she's announced her candidacy for the presidency I just haven't liked the way she's handled things. She doesn't answer questions directly."

While Clinton's approval rating fell, Obama's stayed constant at 46 percent since April. More than 8 in 10 Democrats have a positive view of the president.

At least part of Clinton's decline may be due to questions about her character, a topic Republicans have been trying to make central to the 2016 campaign. In ads, stump speeches and online videos, they paint her as a creature of Washington who flouts the rules to get ahead.

While Clinton has spent decades in the public eye, she's focused in recent months on creating a more relatable — and empathetic — image. In public events, she frequently talks about her new granddaughter, Charlotte, and references her early career as a legal advocate for impoverished children.

The survey suggests that voters aren't sold on her reinvention: Only 4 in 10 voters say they view Clinton as "compassionate." Just 3 in 10 said the word "honest" described her either very or somewhat well.

Stephanie Bergholdo, a Democratic voter from Oak Park, California, says she finds Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren far more sincere in their liberal views — though she's likely to vote for Clinton should she become the party's nominee.

"She's piggybacking on some of the things they've been talking about," said Bergholdo. "I don't think she comes across very genuine. She just seems a little stiff to me."

The percentage of respondents calling Clinton at least somewhat inspiring also slipped from 44 percent to 37 percent.

Even the number of voters saying Clinton is at least somewhat decisive, previously a strong point for the former New York senator, fell from 56 percent in April to 47 percent in the new poll.

"She's pretty much a run-of-the-mill Democrat," said Mark Oldenburg of Madison, Wisconsin. "I don't know that there's anything particularly special about her."

Other polls released this week show contrasting results. A Washington Post-ABC News survey found an uptick in Clinton's favorability, while a Suffolk University-USA Today poll showed a slightly net negative rating.

That means the downturn for Clinton could be a result of random differences in survey sampling or a troubling trend for the dominant Democratic candidate, underscoring the undefined nature of the crowded early presidential campaign.

Democrats argue that a drop in her numbers is a predictable result of Clinton's return to the partisan fray after years in the less overtly political position of secretary of state. Republicans, meanwhile, attribute the drop to questions about the financial dealings of Clinton's family foundation and her use of an email account run from a server kept at her New York home while serving as secretary of state.

Clinton's bad marks weren't unique: Nearly all of the Republican candidates surveyed in the poll shared her underwater approval ratings. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, a leading GOP candidate, saw his unfavorable ratings rise to 44 percent from 36 percent in April.

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The AP-GfK Poll of 1,004 adults was conducted online Thursday to Monday, using a sample drawn from GfK's probability-based KnowledgePanel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population. The margin of sampling error for all respondents is plus or minus 3.4 percentage points.

Respondents were first selected randomly using phone or mail survey methods, and later interviewed online. People selected for KnowledgePanel who didn't otherwise have access to the Internet were provided access with no cost to them.



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ON the flip side only 3% of donors to Bush gave less than $200.

July 15, 2015 Jeb Bush is a fundraising powerhouse among the Republican Party's biggest donors, but he is struggling among smaller donors. Of the $11.4 million his campaign raised during its first two weeks, only 3 percent came from donors who gave less than $200.

Small contributors gave Bush only $368,023, the campaign's federal filings show. Donors who gave the legal maximum of $2,700 accounted for more than 80 percent of Bush's total haul.

For comparison's sake, Republican Sen. Ted Cruz raised $1.8 million from small donors during the first week of his campaign back in March, nearly half of his campaign's total. And, on the Democratic side, Sen. Bernie Sanders said Wednesday that more than 76.5 percent of his fundraising ($10.5 million) came from small donors.

(RELATED: Mark Ruffalo, Ben & Jerry Among Bernie Sanders' Donors)

Bush had 12,334 donors between June 15 and June 30, his campaign said. That means his average contribution was $926. The average Sanders contribution? $35.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/only-3-percent-of-jeb-bush-s-campaign-cash-came-from-small-donors-20150715

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Clinton favorable falls to 39%


If I were Clinton, I'd take that any day of the week. 39% approval from the American people when the average national turnout for presidential elections is 55%?

That's enough to give Clinton the keys to 1600.

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Er, that means that not even Democratic voters like her, much less Republicans or Independents. It means the Democratic nomination is in play.

I'd bet good money Biden is winding up to run.

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 Frazzled wrote:
Er, that means that not even Democratic voters like her, much less Republicans or Independents. It means the Democratic nomination is in play.

I'd bet good money Biden is winding up to run.


Trust me on this, Frazz - Hilary's gonna win The Conservatives and David Cameron won May's election on 33% of the vote. Obviously the British system is different, but if Clinton is hovering around the 40% mark, that's enough for me.

America's women and the Hispanic votes will push her into the White House.

I've seen many an American presidential election. I usually call them pretty well. This time next year, I'll be proven right.

Sorry, Frazz, you're getting Hilary

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Roomy enough for a cartel head to escape in .

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Considering a Congress's approval rating is at about 17% I'd say 39% for Hillary is pretty good.

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Congress isn't running for President. Congress member's favorability in their own districts is much higher.

Remem,ber Hillary has won, what ONE election in her life?

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 Frazzled wrote:
Congress isn't running for President. Congress member's favorability in their own districts is much higher.

Remem,ber Hillary has won, what ONE election in her life?


I recall that one Barack Hussein Obama hadn't won that many elections in his career, either, and the rest is history...

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