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If I were Clinton, I'd take that any day of the week. 39% approval from the American people when the average national turnout for presidential elections is 55%?
That's enough to give Clinton the keys to 1600.
You can't directly compare approval and voter turnout. Looking at those poll results alone Clinton's biggest issue is that few people find her inspiring, meaning they won't go out and vote. That doesn't really matter in the Primaries, but it does matter in the General.
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Frazzled wrote: Congress isn't running for President. Congress member's favorability in their own districts is much higher.
Remem,ber Hillary has won, what ONE election in her life?
I recall that one Barack Hussein Obama hadn't won that many elections in his career, either, and the rest is history...
Look how that turned out...
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Frazzled wrote: Er, that means that not even Democratic voters like her, much less Republicans or Independents. It means the Democratic nomination is in play.
I'd bet good money Biden is winding up to run.
Huh? Her favorability among Dems is 70%. Yes, that is down from 81% in April, but hardly shows that "not even Democratic voters like her". And I doubt Biden is really thinking about it. Sanders rising among dems suggests possible room on Clinton's left. Biden Is pretty close to Clinton on the political spectrum. Warren might have a better shot, but she's already said she isn't running. Clinton only (barely) got beat last time because she ran into the perfect storm of a politician named Obama. Without another Obama (and I'm not seeing one on the horizon), the nomination is hers.
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Frazzled wrote: Er, that means that not even Democratic voters like her, much less Republicans or Independents. It means the Democratic nomination is in play.
Clinton is still up by about 40 points in polls where respondents were asked who they would vote for.
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If I were Clinton, I'd take that any day of the week. 39% approval from the American people when the average national turnout for presidential elections is 55%?
That's enough to give Clinton the keys to 1600.
You can't directly compare approval and voter turnout. Looking at those poll results alone Clinton's biggest issue is that few people find her inspiring, meaning they won't go out and vote. That doesn't really matter in the Primaries, but it does matter in the General.
Once the Clinton campaign kicks in, and the money starts to roll, watch those approval numbers go up.
Like it or not, there's a sense of destiny about Clinton. There's never been a female president, and I'm getting the gut feeling that the US population is keen to make her the first woman to hold America's highest office.
Frazzled wrote: Er, that means that not even Democratic voters like her, much less Republicans or Independents. It means the Democratic nomination is in play.
I'd bet good money Biden is winding up to run.
Huh? Her favorability among Dems is 70%. Yes, that is down from 81% in April, but hardly shows that "not even Democratic voters like her". And I doubt Biden is really thinking about it. Sanders rising among dems suggests possible room on Clinton's left. Biden Is pretty close to Clinton on the political spectrum. Warren might have a better shot, but she's already said she isn't running. Clinton only (barely) got beat last time because she ran into the perfect storm of a politician named Obama. Without another Obama (and I'm not seeing one on the horizon), the nomination is hers.
Exactly. The hand of destiny will push Clinton to victory.
Will she be a good president? God, no! It'll be a disaster, but America will have its first female head of state.
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Frazzled wrote: Er, that means that not even Democratic voters like her, much less Republicans or Independents. It means the Democratic nomination is in play.
Clinton is still up by about 40 points in polls where respondents were asked who they would vote for.
For now, but you and I both know people with high unfavorabilities don't get elected. Nixon being a great exception.
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Once the Clinton campaign kicks in, and the money starts to roll, watch those approval numbers go up.
I'm not sure of that. She is a terrible campaigner who has already made some poor choices. She has focused on covering her weaknesses instead of emphasizing her strengths.
Like it or not, there's a sense of destiny about Clinton. There's never been a female president, and I'm getting the gut feeling that the US population is keen to make her the first woman to hold America's highest office.
Her campaign tried leveraging that argument when she ran against Obama in 2008, and she lost. Everyone knows her Administration will be almost identical to Obama's, and it is rare to see one Party hold the Presidency for 3 terms.
She faces an uphill battle in the General.
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Once the Clinton campaign kicks in, and the money starts to roll, watch those approval numbers go up.
I'm not sure of that. She is a terrible campaigner who has already made some poor choices. She has focused on covering her weaknesses instead of emphasizing her strengths.
Yeah, that's my read. It's like, her campaign is trying to run "hey, at least I'm not those stinky Republicans".
Like it or not, there's a sense of destiny about Clinton. There's never been a female president, and I'm getting the gut feeling that the US population is keen to make her the first woman to hold America's highest office.
Her campaign tried leveraging that argument when she ran against Obama in 2008, and she lost. Everyone knows her Administration will be almost identical to Obama's, and it is rare to see one Party hold the Presidency for 3 terms.
Yes it's rare for one Party to hold the Presidency for 3 terms... but, if they're going to do it, Hillary is your best bet. Like Obama, there's going to be a significant amount of voters who will vote for HRC no matter what because she'll be the first female President. Being there for 'history' isn't something to scoff at.... and, I'm not sure there's any polls in existence that can measure that.
She faces an uphill battle in the General.
Let's see who's the Republican nominee. If it's Trump or Cruz... she'll clean house. If it's Perry, Bush, Walker or Rubio... maybe it'll be tough for HRC.
Gordon Shumway wrote: Clinton only (barely) got beat last time because she ran into the perfect storm of a politician named Obama. Without another Obama (and I'm not seeing one on the horizon), the nomination is hers.
I’d say the flip side of that is probably more true. Obama only won because the Democrats had a golden ticket in 2008, and the overwhelming favourite in Clinton ran an absolutely terrible campaign. Obama ran a great campaign but I think the bigger issue was Clinton’s terrible performance. So far she’s been better than 2008 but she’s still hardly been great and there’s a long time to go.
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Seriously guys, Pataki. He's experienced, has done basically nothing bad ever (his time as gov. weren't very exciting, but they were stable, and there were no big problems or scandals). And he's a moderate, so he'd siphon quite a few votes away from Hillary. At thT point the most important choice is the running mate, probably someone more mainline conservative, but not a nutjob would be preferable. One of those old senators, who has worked with both sides for many years would be great. Perfect R candidate, IMO.
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Not at all. I don't care who gets elected. I am a white, upper-middle class, heterosexual male who has no attachment to either Party. There's nothing that's likely to happen in the next few years that could really hurt me.
Yeah, that's my read. It's like, her campaign is trying to run "hey, at least I'm not those stinky Republicans".
Given the amount of vitriol between the Parties and their supporters I think that argument was inevitable, on both sides; it's one of those things you can trot out to inspire your base. Her mistakes, thus far, have related to trying too hard to seem less wooden. Her strength is policy, not playing to a crowd.
Yes it's rare for one Party to hold the Presidency for 3 terms... but, if they're going to do it, Hillary is your best bet. Like Obama, there's going to be a significant amount of voters who will vote for HRC no matter what because she'll be the first female President. Being there for 'history' isn't something to scoff at.... and, I'm not sure there's any polls in existence that can measure that.
At the moment? No, but they wouldn't be difficult to design, it's just that there's little point in spending money to carry them out because Clinton isn't going to become a man in the next anytime soon. But I'm sure the Republican nominee's campaign will try to get some form of data when considering VP selection, and many organizations will happily take their money.
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Gordon Shumway wrote: Clinton only (barely) got beat last time because she ran into the perfect storm of a politician named Obama. Without another Obama (and I'm not seeing one on the horizon), the nomination is hers.
I’d say the flip side of that is probably more true. Obama only won because the Democrats had a golden ticket in 2008, and the overwhelming favourite in Clinton ran an absolutely terrible campaign. Obama ran a great campaign but I think the bigger issue was Clinton’s terrible performance. So far she’s been better than 2008 but she’s still hardly been great and there’s a long time to go.
If you recall though those primaries energized the base. Obama won because he was a great campaigner. Yeah, Bush made it pretty impossible for a GOP to win (his numbers were way below Obama's at this point). But the Dems didn't run a slash and burn campaign. Go back and look at the debates. They were remarkably amicable (even if the media wanted to focus on the few negative ads...but that's the media) and focused on some serious issues. They weren't just appealing to the base because they didn't have to. Obama did a better job in IA on the ground and with his new way of mobilizing the internet (don't overlook how well Gibby worked the new media), which gave him a boost in NH. He also had his race speech because of Rev. Wright hoopla. From there the nomination was up for grabs and Obama took it. Clinton actually didn't run that bad of a show, but again, Obama came along. It was actually up for grabs for quite a long while (again, despite the media wanting a coronation at that point). But it all boiled down to Obama being a remarkably good campaigner. I would venture that if he could have a third term, he would win again. Bill would have had a hard time with him (it says something when Hillary is trying to run Obama's campaign and not her husbands. I bet that just grates him.).It was one of the more interesting campaign seasons in my lifetime if you like following that gak.
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Trump a bull in a Chinaware shop just crashing into things, So non politician I just cannot wait for the debates to begin
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What is up with that Rick Perry video? He looks like he's paralyzed or something, nothing below his jawline seems to move the whole time.
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Didn't think it last this long but it has that feel that he has a lower back supporter on
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Clinton dropped amongst Democrats due to the fact that many of Americans want Wall-Street and thge Mega-Banks reigned in, and Sanders' friend Warren and others are going for a reinstated "Glass-Steagall" which includes more moderate and reality seeing Republicans that removal of it is why we had that crash in '08, the removal of that act was under Bill Clinton's watch, and Hillary has not said she would re-instate or seek other measures, nothing she has said has made it clear what she plans to do, she has spouted some pro-progressive sounding stuff, and prattled on about her mom, and her own experiences as a mom and grand-mom to distract folks as she has not yet shown as solid an idea on issues as Sanders has revealed yet.
Now for our British pal, electing someone just for their gender or color is pure pants! I prefer someone who is looking at issues over vague stuff the Main stream Media likes to go off on. O' Malley and others have yet to have a good start on things as Hillary and her massive money collection from big cash PAC donors, and Bernie who has achieved more donors although less cash as Hillary.
Obama also was not as favored ad HRC and he won.
The Teacher Union and another union endorsement for HRC is also being looked to be pulled at this time , likely to be placed on Sanders.
The drop of Hillary's popularity? she is campaigning like a Millionaire, she has the BIG Money that people have come to despise, and she still talks like someone who is not able to feel what it is like for the common man or woman, She is showing her connections to BIG MOney via her method of speeches, as well as how she spends, and her speeches have had low substance.
Bernie went to far right Phoenix AZ where Trump ad Arpaio flopped, and the town hall had to once again move to a large stadium for it became another 8k crowd! Now that he has shown he can raise large crowds in "Red" states, I think it shows that there is a Media Ignored under current of folks tired of the pro-Oligarchy/Rich seeking a shift away from trickle down economics and Corporate control of our government.
Get ready for a left handed shift that brings us back to center and level we have been going around in right handed circles for too long.
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Just been watching Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei's address to the nation on Al Jazeera.
To summarise, but you can probably guess the content.
The nuclear deal changes nothing between Iran and the USA.
America is still the Great Satan. Some Israeli flags were burned,
And a holy war was declared against the state of Texas and some guy called Frazz or something
So much for improved relations between the respective nations.
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Now for our British pal, electing someone just for their gender or color is pure pants!
I completely agree, but it has happened in Britain, and it'll probably happen with Clinton.
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Yeesh, I'm not a fan of most of the Rs that have thrown their hats into the presidential ring over the years, but McCain is one I actually do like (would have voted for him in 2008, if not for Palin).
And, McCain is a hero not "just" because he was captured, but because he endured FIVE YEARS of it.
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I do look forward to seeing how the rest of the Rs start falling all over themselves trying to distance themselves from this latest bit of trash from Trump.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: I do look forward to seeing how the rest of the Rs start falling all over themselves trying to distance themselves from this latest bit of trash from Trump.
That's started in earnest already.
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So has stupid stuff Trump has said. I'm not sure if this is really going to affect anybody who claims to support Trump. I would guess they have no love whatsoever for McCain perceiving him as too liberal or too political for their tastes, plus he lost to that foreigner. Military experiences only count as heroic if they were conducted by somebody they like (see "swift-boating") and they ignore ignoble military experiences if it is somebody they do like (see Cheney's five draft deferments.) Edit, evidently Trump got five deferments.
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And someone asks Sanders what he has done for them... and he starts segueing into the great Obamacare... and the audiance shouts "we can't afford that!".
Whooooooweeeee.
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And someone asks Sanders what he has done for them... and he starts segueing into the great Obamacare... and the audiance shouts "we can afford that!".
Whooooooweeeee.
You make it sound like he was talking about abortion. It's a group that calls themselves "Black Lives Matter" that heckled him. Their cause was police brutality. They also heckled Sanders, but he didn't flee of the stage from them like O'Malley. I mean did you even read what you posted, Whem?
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And someone asks Sanders what he has done for them... and he starts segueing into the great Obamacare... and the audiance shouts "we can afford that!".
Whooooooweeeee.
You make it sound like he was talking about abortion. It's a group that calls themselves "Black Lives Matter" that heckled him. Their cause was police brutality.
To them, 'blacklivesmatters' is sacrosanct... so yeah, it *is* like abortions.
They also heckled Sanders, but he didn't flee of the stage from them like O'Malley.
Is it bad that I don't want this to sink him because I just want to watch the train wreck? This is much more entertaining than The Apprentice, and much less scripted.
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A cheap shot from Trump, but his campaign was never about winning (he had no chance anyway) it was always about publicity for his big head.
On the subject of war records, I don't think they make much difference in an election. John Kerry's was far superior to GW Bush's, and yet, but the time the media had spun it, you'd be forgiven for thinking GW was a three times MOH recipient!
This is the comedy hour stage of the nominations, the time when a few jokers stand up, get their faces in the papers for a few days, and then get weeded out. Trump is no exception.
'Serious' candidates will be along shortly. I hope
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