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Is it bad that I don't want this to sink him because I just want to watch the train wreck? This is much more entertaining than The Apprentice, and much less scripted.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The Dems best play in my view? Obama should come out, defend McCain and condemn Trumps remarks in the strongest words possible. Obama's numbers would rise (because he would be right to do so) and so would Trumps among the far right (because Obama=everything wrong with the world). Win win
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: A cheap shot from Trump, but his campaign was never about winning (he had no chance anyway) it was always about publicity for his big head.
It's not always about publicity. Politics is also involved. Politician X, who has no real chance of winning, works to get a base of voters united and ready, and then, when the time comes, X backs out but offers his support (and his voters) to Politician Y. For example, there is a reason why Ted Cruz's response to this only disagrees with Trump's statement, but does not criticize Trump himself. I would bet money that Cruz hopes to get Trump's (and Trump's followers) support down the road.
On the subject of war records, I don't think they make much difference in an election. John Kerry's was far superior to GW Bush's, and yet, but the time the media had spun it, you'd be forgiven for thinking GW was a three times MOH recipient!
War records are usually just the cherry on top of a candidate's resume. "So-and-so has done this, this, and this to fight the other party, and, if elected, will do that, that, and that to fight the other party...oh, AND he fought and bled for your freedom!" It's all marketing. And if you weren't in the military, then you have to show your patriotism and love of 'Murica in other ways. Not to bring Trump up again, but it's like that recent image that backfired on him. The whole point of creating an image in patriotic colors with soldiers in the background is just pure marketing (although picking the wrong soldiers kinda backfired on him).
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"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Trump seems to have been trying increasing ridiculous claims in order to avoid his pretend campaign turning in to an actual, serious run at the oval office. All the hateful bs about Mexican rapists didn't manage to tank him, so he went for the nuclear option and mocked someone's time as a POW. Hopefully that's worked.
shasolenzabi wrote: Clinton dropped amongst Democrats due to the fact that many of Americans want Wall-Street and thge Mega-Banks reigned in, and Sanders' friend Warren and others are going for a reinstated "Glass-Steagall" which includes more moderate and reality seeing Republicans that removal of it is why we had that crash in '08...
Glass Steagall was good law and it should have been expanded and modernised, not removed, but it wouldn't have stopped 2008. There was nothing in it to control the rise of the shadow banking sector, which simply didn't exist when Glass Steagle was designed.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Kerry screwed up when he addressed the "Brown Water Association(?)" accusation that was made against him
As in some of his award citations were, Silver Star I think was one, was embellished.
Think the other was Purple Heart
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Jihadin wrote: Kerry screwed up when he addressed the "Brown Water Association(?)" accusation that was made against him
The Democrats screwed up when they thought Kerry's military record was enough of a counter to Bush to put him in the Whitehouse. A military record is a nice part of a candidate's story, but the bedrock of a good campaign is still charisma and a campaign message that works - Kerry didn't have either of those in the slightest, and so his campaign was screwed from the start.
As in some of his award citations were, Silver Star I think was one, was embellished.
Think the other was Purple Heart
The attacks against Kerry's service were pretty much entirely bs. One of his Purple Hearts and the Silver Star were questioned, but the stories told to challenge them changed over time and between various members of the SBVT. For instance, the officer who granted his Silver Star was on record saying he had no doubt about his award, but then later completely changed and claimed it wasn't justified. Read any interview with the SBVT and sooner or later they'll mention Kerry's testimony to congress, likely the real reason those soldiers reacted against him.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Glass Steagall was good law and it should have been expanded and modernised, not removed, but it wouldn't have stopped 2008. There was nothing in it to control the rise of the shadow banking sector, which simply didn't exist when Glass Steagle was designed.
True BUT the Clinton administration changing the rules (lowering mortgage requirements that would be purchased by the big two) and pushing did that. Those rules were in place for a reason.
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sebster wrote: The Democrats screwed up when they thought Kerry's military record was enough of a counter to Bush to put him in the Whitehouse. A military record is a nice part of a candidate's story, but the bedrock of a good campaign is still charisma and a campaign message that works - Kerry didn't have either of those in the slightest, and so his campaign was screwed from the start.
Agreed on this one. I mean, look at the more recent campaigns: John McCain has a fairly well known, well documented military career. Obama has absolutely no military time whatsoever.
Personally I think that military time is important for a potential POTUS, even if we've seen that it doesn't affect how politicians see military folks when in office.
History in the making. Cuban embassy re-opens in Washington, US embassy re-opens in Havana.
Whatever happened to those CIA plots to kill Castro? The exploding cigars, the poison in his soup to make his beard fall out...
I'm tempted to re-visit my collection of books on this and start reading up about Bay of Pigs, slush funds, Cuban exiles, CIA etc etc
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Frazzled wrote: True BUT the Clinton administration changing the rules (lowering mortgage requirements that would be purchased by the big two) and pushing did that. Those rules were in place for a reason.
That’s true. While I’d argue that the banking implosion would have happened even with the old form of Glass Steagal, the changes certainly didn’t help matters at all.
However, trying to blame the changes to Glass Steagal purely on Clinton is fairly superficial. On a purely political level we have to recognise those changes were put through a Republican congress. But more than that, de-regulation was accepted in both parties, and by almost all mainstream parties outside of the US – everyone drank from the koolaid, everyone is to blame.
Putting it down to Clinton is more or less the same thing as the people who try to blame the GFC on Bush.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: History in the making. Cuban embassy re-opens in Washington, US embassy re-opens in Havana.
Whatever happened to those CIA plots to kill Castro? The exploding cigars, the poison in his soup to make his beard fall out...
I'm tempted to re-visit my collection of books on this and start reading up about Bay of Pigs, slush funds, Cuban exiles, CIA etc etc
I'll have you know it wasn't poison in soup, but a radioactive substance in a shoe
That maybe, but most of the attempts to topple Castro were a complete and utter shambles. I'm amazed at the money the CIA wasted on this (millions of dollars) and some of the plots and schemes by Cuban exile groups were so amateurish, as to be beyond parody...
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: History in the making. Cuban embassy re-opens in Washington, US embassy re-opens in Havana.
Whatever happened to those CIA plots to kill Castro? The exploding cigars, the poison in his soup to make his beard fall out...
I'm tempted to re-visit my collection of books on this and start reading up about Bay of Pigs, slush funds, Cuban exiles, CIA etc etc
Don't overestimate the American attention span when beaches are involved.
America has a good record against beaches - Normandy, Iwo Jima, etc
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However, trying to blame the changes to Glass Steagal purely on Clinton is fairly superficial.
Oh agreed. I am not. I am blaming Clinton, the administration, and the Congress on that.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Frazzled wrote:True BUT the Clinton administration changing the rules (lowering mortgage requirements that would be purchased by the big two) and pushing did that.
Frazzled wrote:Oh agreed. I am not. I am blaming Clinton, the administration, and the Congress on that.
Just frazzled things.
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If you had a point I think you left on top the roof of your car when you left the 7/11.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
In the early days of the 2016 Republican campaign — an unusually important period, in which the viability of the GOP is being defended against a toxic form of populism — some of the clearest leadership has emerged from an unexpected source: former Texas governor Rick Perry.
Those Republican candidates and commentators who sought to accommodate and domesticate Donald Trump — praising his views on immigration or petting his followers — failed an important political and moral test. Trump is (unknowingly) attempting to revive the spirit of Know-Nothingism — a mid-19th-century political movement that stirred up resentment against immigrants (particularly Catholic immigrants) and fought to keep government in the hands of the native-born. In Trump’s updated version, the enemies are China and a perfidious Mexico, which he claims is purposely sending its rejects and rapists to the United States.
Perry has been blunt in describing the nature of Trump’s candidacy: “What Mr. Trump is offering is not conservatism, it is Trumpism — a toxic mix of demagoguery and nonsense.” Perry understood something early that many of his peers did not. While appeals to nationalism are a traditional Republican strength, xenophobia is a poison. Republican fortunes at the presidential level will not be restored with the political philosophy of Archie Bunker. For the GOP to succeed in this election — and for any viable form of conservative populism to be preserved — Trump must be discredited. Not just defeated, but discredited.
By denying Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) status as a war hero, Trump has done a good job of that himself. Perry has declared that Trump “is unfit to be Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces, and he should immediately withdraw from the race for President.” The first part of that sentence is manifestly true. The second part would require a sense of shame, which makes it very unlikely.
But Perry has done more than expose Trump. Following last month’s church shooting in South Carolina, he delivered the best and bravest Republican speech of the campaign so far. In remarks at the National Press Club, Perry confronted his state’s history of racial violence in the story of Jesse Washington, tortured and lynched by a Waco mob in 1916. By vividly recalling the details of that case — by looking this evil of racism straight in the face — Perry took the U.S. debate on race to a deeper level of honesty.
So, at two turning points of the presidential race — the rise of Trump and the Charleston massacre — Perry emerged as a responsible voice. How to explain it? Some of this is assuredly sound staffing choices, providing him good advice and good speeches. But there is a factor more intrinsic to Perry. He has a history of making gaffes that reveal his decency. During his spectacularly failed candidacy in 2012, Perry defended his state’s extension of in-state college tuition benefits to the Texas version of “Dreamers” — illegal immigrants who had graduated from Texas high schools. If you want to deny them education, he said, “I don’t think you have a heart.”
Last time around, Perry also defended the vaccination of girls against human papillomavirus, a cause of cervical cancer, pushing back on Michele Bachmann’s irresponsible, dangerous claim that vaccinations can cause “mental retardation.” This issue is often a dividing line between political responsibility and the conspiratorial fringe. Both Trump and Rand Paul, it is worth noting, have fed baseless fears of vaccination.
Perry’s approach to politics gives evidence of actual executive responsibility. Others can be emperors in ideological fantasy worlds of their own choosing. Perry was governor of Texas. And a good one.
The Republican recovery will require a series of Sister Souljah moments — small declarations of ideological independence — as Perry has done with Trump. The model is the first great Republican. “I am not a Know-Nothing,” Abraham Lincoln wrote in 1855. “That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we begin by declaring that ‘all men are created equal.’ We now practically read it ‘all men are created equal, except negroes.’ When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read ‘all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.’ When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty.”
The words still apply, and echo.
I think he's overcome his 'heartless' criticism... but, he still has work to do to overcome his 'oops' moment in '12.
Trump has my vote just for the entertainment he is providing me
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shasolenzabi wrote: Clinton dropped amongst Democrats due to the fact that many of Americans want Wall-Street and thge Mega-Banks reigned in, and Sanders' friend Warren and others are going for a reinstated "Glass-Steagall" which includes more moderate and reality seeing Republicans that removal of it is why we had that crash in '08...
Glass Steagall was good law and it should have been expanded and modernised, not removed, but it wouldn't have stopped 2008. There was nothing in it to control the rise of the shadow banking sector, which simply didn't exist when Glass Steagle was designed.
That is what Warren and others, including McCain did they worded a new version that would stop the gambling the banks were doing before 2008
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Such petty, childish, and vindictive behavior is not anything close to how a President should act. When it comes time for Trump to bow out, I hope none of the candidates will accept any endorsement from him (although I suspect Ted Cruz is counting on it).
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I found what Trump did hilarious Wonder if he had Putin personnel cell number that he would do it.
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However, trying to blame the changes to Glass Steagal purely on Clinton is fairly superficial.
Oh agreed. I am not. I am blaming Clinton, the administration, and the Congress on that.
Oh I’m blaming him I’m just blaming him, and most Democrats and most Republicans before and after Clinton as well.
shasolenzabi wrote: That is what Warren and others, including McCain did they worded a new version that would stop the gambling the banks were doing before 2008
Sort of. The controls in Glass Steagal were pretty meaningless before they were repealed anyway. In part because they’d been deliberately interpreted to mean very little, but mostly because the security trading that was meant to be controlled by the 1930s law had little relevance to modern finance. An option on pork bellies is nothing like the complex derivatives you can trade in today.
It is possible to bring stability back to retail banking, but you need something with a structure that understands how the sector works today. The McCain & Warren proposal added back some teeth, including a much tighter control on retail banks financial trading, but it was still the old structure, with the same problems.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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This election is starting to depress me already. I really dislike Hilliary, and none of the current R frontrunners are any good either. It's probably going to be a choice between bad and worse, kind of sad for my first time voting.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
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sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
This election, and the next administration is for ONE THING and one thing only:
• Control of the Supreme Court.
Whoever controls the White House in 2016 - 2024 will likely control it for the remainder of the Century (or most of it), due to the Justices they appoint.
That is one reason to like Hillary, regardless of anything else you think about her, is that Justices she appoints will undo EVERYTHING the Roberts' Court has done, and it will undo the Gerrymandering which currently keeps the GOP in power in Congress.
I’m just blaming him, and most Democrats and most Republicans before and after Clinton as well.
