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Ensis Ferrae wrote: Outside of Trump, it seems like the majority of candidates from the Republican side are focusing MORE on the conservative christian block, not less.
As a voting bloc how big is that faction of the GOP?
Overall? Not that much I think. But they are a big faction of the group of voters that come out and vote during the primary.
Yep, and the more church leaders that voice their support for candidate X, the more voters will vote that way.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
I have honestly never heard of a "Core Secret" classification, and I worked in the realm of the intelligence community.
Core Secret is NSA specific. Basically its Top Secret information that is given out on a tightly controlled, need-to-know basis. If you think of the scene in Independence Day where Bill Pullman is shocked to find out he wasn't aware of alien technology at Area 51, and James Rebhorn says something to the effect of "Plausible deniability.", that's Core Secret.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
For cargo heading into that are. As a long running joke in the Logistical world. The first part of the TCN (Transportation Control Number) is AA51#############.
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No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
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I have honestly never heard of a "Core Secret" classification, and I worked in the realm of the intelligence community.
Core Secret is NSA specific. Basically its Top Secret information that is given out on a tightly controlled, need-to-know basis. If you think of the scene in Independence Day where Bill Pullman is shocked to find out he wasn't aware of alien technology at Area 51, and James Rebhorn says something to the effect of "Plausible deniability.", that's Core Secret.
All classified information is on a need-to-know basis. The NSA can use whatever term they like, but the only officially recognized classifications are Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret. Executive Order 13526 is the order regarding classified information.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
I have honestly never heard of a "Core Secret" classification, and I worked in the realm of the intelligence community.
Core Secret is NSA specific. Basically its Top Secret information that is given out on a tightly controlled, need-to-know basis. If you think of the scene in Independence Day where Bill Pullman is shocked to find out he wasn't aware of alien technology at Area 51, and James Rebhorn says something to the effect of "Plausible deniability.", that's Core Secret.
So, basically, it's a "subset" of another classification level, in this case TS. When I was in, it was possible to be read on to a "higher" classification than TS, but it was generally reserved for guys who were stationed at NATO and was used as a sort of "we need everyone in this office read on and able to read other countries' intelligence/classified data"
but, I am intimately familiar with the "actual" subclasses that we used when I was in (SCI, H, G, SK, etc)
There are caveats to the classification levels (like NOFORN or not for foreign consumption even though they are allies, or REL NATO, releasable to NATO or REL UK AUS, releasable to UK and Australia.) Those caveats are more like handling instructions than classifications.
The stuff you had to be 'read on to' was either SCI (special compartmented information) or related to a SAP (Special Access Program). Every one with a clearance has to sign an NDA, when you do SCI or SAPs you'll sign additional ones, at times with VERY specific conditions you are accepting. Many SAPs and SCI info are only allowed to be transmitted.sent via specific mechanisms channels as well.
The CUI/FOUO/SBU stuff is all descriptors of the same stuff used by different agencies/organizations. It is 'sensitive' but not classified. Depending on how/where it is generated it may traverse 'classified' networks and take advantage of the protections or traverse unclassified networks but is supposed to be protected (DoD mandates encrypting it with a CAC type certificate for example) to send via email for example. Many (I won;t say all because I don't know) organizations also mandate it is only sent via official means (I can send it via my DoD email NOT via gmail, and only to a .mil or .gov address, not to a Comcast account).
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
Did I miss something when I was on my hiatus? Do all items relating to US politics have to be in one thread? When did that change?
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- St. Thomas Aquinas
Warhammer 40K:
Alpha Legion - 15,000 pts For the Emperor!
WAAAGH! Skullhooka - 14,000 pts
Biel Tan Strikeforce - 11,000 pts
"The Eldar get no attention because the average male does not like confetti blasters, shimmer shields or sparkle lasers."
-Illeix
The current discussion at the moment is centred on Hillary and her emails. So a thread getting started on the same topic was always going to see it end up here.
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
DR:80+S(GT)G++M++B-I++Pwmhd05#+D+++A+++/sWD-R++T(Ot)DM+ How is it they live in such harmony - the billions of stars - when most men can barely go a minute without declaring war in their minds about someone they know.
- St. Thomas Aquinas
Warhammer 40K:
Alpha Legion - 15,000 pts For the Emperor!
WAAAGH! Skullhooka - 14,000 pts
Biel Tan Strikeforce - 11,000 pts
"The Eldar get no attention because the average male does not like confetti blasters, shimmer shields or sparkle lasers."
-Illeix
Interestingly, this whole email debacle might be what's needed to finally push into action the hero this city needs.
Spoiler:
Joe Biden Said to Be Taking New Look at Presidential Run By AMY CHOZICK AUG. 1, 2015
Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his associates have begun to actively explore a possible presidential campaign, which would upend the Democratic field and deliver a direct threat to Hillary Rodham Clinton, several people who have spoken to Mr. Biden or his closest advisers say.
Mr. Biden’s advisers have started to reach out to Democratic leaders and donors who have not yet committed to Mrs. Clinton or who have grown concerned about what they see as her increasingly visible vulnerabilities as a candidate.
The conversations, often fielded by Mr. Biden’s chief of staff, Steve Ricchetti, have taken place through hushed phone calls and quiet lunches. In most cases, they have grown out of an outpouring of sympathy for Mr. Biden since the death of his son Beau, 46, in May.
One longtime Biden supporter said the vice president had been deeply moved by his son’s desire for him to run.
“He was so close to Beau and it was so heartbreaking that, frankly, I thought initially he wouldn’t have the heart,” the supporter, Michael Thornton, a Boston lawyer, said in an interview. “But I’ve had indications that maybe he does want to — and ‘that’s what Beau would have wanted me to do.’ ”
Mr. Biden’s path, should he run, would not be easy. Mrs. Clinton has enormous support among Democrats inspired by the idea of electing a woman as president, and her campaign has already raised millions of dollars.
Additionally, Mr. Biden, who is 72, has in the past proved to be prone to embarrassing gaffes on the campaign trail. He would also face the critical task of building a field operation.
One Democrat with direct knowledge of the conversations described the outreach as a heady combination of donors and friends of Mr. Biden’s wanting to prop him up in his darkest hours, and of recent polls showing Mrs. Clinton’s support among independents declining, suggesting there could be a path to the nomination for the vice president.
Ms. Dowd reported that as Beau Biden lay dying from brain cancer, he “tried to make his father promise to run, arguing that the White House should not revert to the Clintons and that the country would be better off with Biden values.” Mr. Biden’s other son, Hunter, also encouraged him to run, she wrote.
The support Mr. Biden has garnered speaks to growing concerns among Democrats that Mrs. Clinton could lose in Iowa and New Hampshire, as the populist message of one of her opponents, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, draws swelling crowds.
“The reality is it’s going to be a tough, even-steven kind of race, and there’s that moment when a lot of party establishment would start exactly this kind of rumble: ‘Is there anybody else?’ ” said Joe Trippi, a Democratic strategist.
At the same time, the slow trickle of news about Mrs. Clinton’s use of private email when she was secretary of state, and the coming Benghazi hearings, may be distracting some voters from the core message of her campaign: the need to lift the middle class.
“It’s not that we dislike Hillary, it’s that we want to win the White House,” said Richard A. Harpootlian, a lawyer and Democratic donor in Columbia, S.C., who met with Mr. Ricchetti before Beau Biden died. “We have a better chance of doing that with somebody who is not going to have all the distractions of a Clinton campaign.”
A spokeswoman for the Clinton campaign declined to comment.
In a July 30 Quinnipiac poll, 57 percent of voters said Mrs. Clinton was not honest and trustworthy, and 52 percent said she did not care about their needs or problems. The same poll showed Mr. Biden with his highest favorability rating, 49 percent, in seven years, with 58 percent saying he was honest and trustworthy and 57 percent saying he cared about them. But Mrs. Clinton’s numbers are still strong, especially among likely Democratic primary voters.
“The No. 1 thing voters want is a candidate who is honest and trustworthy, and the veep is leading in those polls,” said William Pierce, executive director of Draft Biden, a “super PAC” that is trying to build enthusiasm for a possible candidacy.
Mr. Biden could still decide not to run. Confidants say they expect him to make something official by early September. Other than by not ruling out a run, and by holding preliminary meetings, he has not openly fueled speculation about his candidacy. As of Saturday, he had no trips planned to Iowa or New Hampshire in the coming weeks. But an intermediary recruited by the vice president’s office has been in touch with potential staff members who have not yet signed on to the Clinton campaign.
Kendra Barkoff, a Biden spokeswoman, said, “As the Biden family continues to go through this difficult time, the vice president is focused on his family and immersed in his work.”
A 2016 run would be the third time Mr. Biden, a longtime senator from Delaware, had sought the presidency, which friends say is his ultimate dream.
Mr. Biden’s first campaign in 1988 ended in heartbreak after news reports that he plagiarized parts of a speech and exaggerated his academic record forced him to drop out. In 2008, he drew less than 1 percent of the vote in the Iowa caucuses and dropped out after making controversial comments about Barack Obama, then seeking his first term in the White House. Mr. Biden said he was “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.”
Mr. Obama later chose Mr. Biden as his running mate. In the early months of the 2016 campaign, the president has been careful not to undermine or wholeheartedly endorse either his former secretary of state or his vice president.
“The president has said that the best political decision he’s ever made in his career has been to ask Joe Biden to run as his vice president,” Eric Schultz, a White House spokesman, said last week.
Friends described Mr. Biden’s relationship with Mrs. Clinton in the Senate as cordial and warm. But in his long career in Democratic politics, Mr. Biden has clashed with former President Bill Clinton, and his relationship with Mrs. Clinton has not been without awkwardness. One close Biden confidant, Ron Klain, has been in contact with Mrs. Clinton’s campaign about helping her prepare for the Democratic debates, a sign some people interpreted as evidence that Mr. Biden would decide against a run.
Mr. Ricchetti, a White House aide in the Clinton administration who is now Mr. Biden’s chief of staff, began talking to donors and supporters in the months before Beau Biden died.
In recent weeks, those talks, with local elected officials and party leaders, started again, mostly because well-wishers were calling to check on the Biden family. The talk inevitably drifted to 2016, and many of these Democrats urged Mr. Biden to seriously consider getting into the race, said people with knowledge of the talks who agreed to discuss private conversations only anonymously.
Mr. Ricchetti declined to comment.
The speculation intensified on Thursday when friends of Mrs. Clinton’s spotted Mr. Ricchetti having breakfast at the Four Seasons in Washington with Louis B. Susman, a major donor and former ambassador to Britain. Fox News reported on the meeting.
Mr. Susman — who has already made the maximum donation allowed in the primary, $2,700, to Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, and who is a longtime friend of the Biden family — dismissed any implication that he was discussing the vice president’s plans. “He wasn’t testing the waters with me,” Mr. Susman said of Mr. Ricchetti. “There was never any discussion of the presidential campaign or money.”
Mr. Biden is by no means a virtuoso campaigner. But his entry into the race would add an unbridled, often unscripted passion for the presidency that some Democrats say the ever-cautious Mrs. Clinton at times lacks.
One Democratic donor with direct knowledge of the overtures from the Biden camp said Mr. Biden had already thought about how he would position himself in the race, delivering an economic message to the left of Mrs. Clinton’s while embracing Obama administration policies, like health care reform, that are widely popular among Democrats.
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And now for a very depressing report on money in politics
By JULIE BYKOWICZ, Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly all of the contenders for president are encouraging their deep-pocketed donors to give not just to their campaigns, but to groups known as super PACs as well.
Unlike campaigns, these outside groups aren't limited in how much money they can accept from individual donors. While they can't directly take orders from the candidates they're spending money to help elect, they still account for about $2 of every $3 raised so far in the 2016 race for president.
Many super PACs must file their first fundraising reports with federal regulators by midnight Friday. The super PAC filings will detail how money was raised and spent from January to the end of June and include the names of donors.
Two weeks ago, many of the candidates filed their first campaign fundraising reports. Together, the reports from the super PACs and the candidates will produce the first major accounting of who is paying for the campaign for president.
Here is a guide to what's already known about the presidential super PACs, based on information provided by the groups and their official filings with the Federal Election Commission.
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THE BIGGEST DONORS
A super PAC aiming to help Texas Sen. Ted Cruz win the Republican presidential nomination raised from a single donor nearly as much as the candidate's formal campaign raised in three months. A $10 million donation from Toby Neugebauer is the largest contribution so far to any of the candidate-specific super PACs. Neugebauer is an energy investor in Texas and the son of GOP Rep. Randy Neugebauer. The money went to Keep the Promise II, one of several similarly named super PACs all working to help elect Cruz.
The Wilks family in Texas pooled together for a $15 million gift to a second pro-Cruz super PAC. Brothers Farris and Dan Wilks made billionaire lists by getting into the booming shale gas industry.
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LOCAL MILLIONS FOR WALKER, RUBIO
TD Ameritrade's billionaire founder Joe Ricketts, his wife, Marlene, and their son Todd together gave just over $5 million to a super PAC supporting Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's Republican presidential ambitions. The Ricketts family owns the Chicago Cubs. Diane Hendricks, the billionaire executive of a wholesale roofing company headquartered in Wisconsin, also wrote a $5 million check.
Those donors accounted for half of the money raised by the pro-Walker super PAC, called Unintimidated. Richard Uihlein and his wife, Elizabeth, gave $2.5 million. In recent years, Uihlein moved his packaging supply company, Uline, entirely out of Illinois and into Wisconsin because of tax incentives.
Million-dollar donors also featured prominently in the super PAC supporting Florida Sen. Marco Rubio's presidential bid. Miami-based automobile dealer Norman Braman gave $5 million; Besilu Stables LLC, owned by Miami health care executive Benjamin Leon, gave $2.5 million. In total, the group Conservative Solutions pulled in about $16 million, including a $3 million gift from Oracle founder Larry Ellison.
A lone local donor also is propping up the super PAC supporting former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. Of the $3.6 million raised by Pursuing America's Greatness, 83 percent came from Ronald Cameron, chief executive of Arkansas-based Mountaire Corp., one of the country's largest poultry companies.
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JEB BUSH'S JUGGERNAUT
Right to Rise, a super PAC helping Republican former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, is backed by two dozen donors who have given $1 million or more. Miguel "Mike" Fernandez, a Miami health care investor, made the biggest contribution at just over $3 million.
Four Texas couples who built fortunes from the oil and gas industry are also among the biggest donors, with each couple contributing $2 million: Trevor and Jan Rees-Jones, Ray and Nancy Hunt, Richard and Nancy Kinder, and Hushang and Shahla Ansary.
Both of Bush's ex-president relatives also donated to Right to Rise. His father, George H.W. Bush, gave $125,000; brother George W. Bush gave $95,000. Jeb Bush aggressively courted big donors in the six months before he announced his presidential campaign, when he faced no legal restrictions on his work with the super PAC. Now that he's a candidate, Right to Rise is in the hands of a longtime friend and strategist, Mike Murphy.
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CORPORATE DONORS
Another highlight of the Right to Rise donor list is corporate money. Four dozen corporations or organizations gave a total of more than $16 million to the super PAC, or about 15 percent of its overall haul.
The largest corporate contribution was $2 million from Rooney Holdings, a Tulsa, Oklahoma-based construction company. San Francisco-based American Pacific International Capital Inc., an investor and developer with projects in the United States and China, gave $1.3 million.
Another roughly $1 million gift came from Juno Beach, Florida-based Nextera Energy Inc., a large energy company that operates in 27 states and Canada. The company owns Florida Power and Light, the largest electric company in the state, where Bush was governor. The charitable trust for the U.S. Sugar Corporation, a sugar-cane producer based in Florida, gave $505,000.
Meanwhile, Manhattan-based Access Industries, an international holding company led by Len Blavatnik, one of the world's wealthiest men, gave $1 million to a pro-Walker super PAC and $500,000 to one supporting the longshot presidential ambitions of South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham.
The Supreme Court's 2010 decision in the case Citizens United made it clear that corporations and unions can contribute in unlimited ways to political races, so long as that money comes through outside groups that are not directly coordinated with the candidates. Corporations and unions remain legally barred from giving to the official campaigns of the candidates.
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CHRIS CHRISTIE SUPPORTERS
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie may not be leading in the Republican presidential polls, but his supporters are contributing six and seven figures to a super PAC supporting his candidacy.
The filing from the America Leads super PAC provides one of the first insights into Christie's fundraising network, which includes notable names such as New York Mets owner Fred Wilpon, Hewlett-Packard Chief Meg Whitman and Linda McMahon, the former chief executive of World Wrestling Entertainment. The group raised $11 million through the end of June.
Among the largest contributions were $1 million each from hedge fund manager Steven Cohen and his wife Alexandra Marie Cohen, and $750,000 from Quicken Loans founder Daniel Gilbert. Christie's brother Todd gave $100,000, while long time Christie cheerleader and Home Depot co-founder Ken Langone gave $250,000.
The list, according to a person familiar with the numbers, includes more than a dozen billionaires as well as many donors the group believes could afford to spend much more should the governor's campaign take off in the coming months. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss donors' financial information.
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RAND PAUL'S (PAY)PALS
PayPal board member and Silicon Valley investor Scott Banister gave $1.25 million to Concerned American Voters, one of three super PACs supporting Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul's presidential bid. All three filed their FEC reports earlier this week.
Two other donors gave big to pro-Paul entities. Jeff Yass, managing director of high-frequency trading firm Susquehanna International Group, split a $2 million contribution between Purple PAC and America's Liberty. George Macricostas, head of a data center company called RagingWire, gave more than $1 million to America's Liberty.
Thanks mostly to those three donors, the trio of pro-Paul super PACs raised about $6 million through the end of June.
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RICK PERRY'S TEXAS TWOSOME
Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry isn't performing well enough in national polls to guarantee he'll have a spot on the first GOP debate stage, and his campaign has so far only raised about $1 million. But thanks to two Texans, his presidential effort has the money to carry on.
Several super PACs working together as an operation called Opportunity and Freedom say they raised $16.8 million through June 30. About two-thirds came from Kelcy Warren and Darwin Deason.
Warren, a billionaire Dallas energy executive who gave $6 million, also serves as finance chairman of Perry's campaign. Because of that position, he's legally restricted in what he can tell the super PAC. Fellow Dallas businessman Deason gave $5 million. Deason made his fortune by selling Affiliated Computer Services, a data-processing company, to Xerox.
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DEMOCRATIC DOLDRUMS
There won't be much talk of Democrats in the presidential super PAC filings. That's because they account for less than 9 percent of the total super PAC haul so far, according to an Associated Press analysis that compared money raised by formal presidential campaigns with what the super PACs say they plan to report having raised on Friday.
Priorities USA Action, the main group helping Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton, will report having raised $15.6 million by June 30. Haim Saban, an entertainment executive, gave $2 million to Priorities, making him the top donor. Hedge fund billionaire George Soros, one of the biggest Democratic donors in earlier elections, gave $1 million.
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Associated Press writers Jack Gillum, Stephen Braun and Jill Colvin contributed to this report.
Copyright 2015 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
It's disgusting. I often disagree with supreme court decisions, but those are mostly on my personal opinion on the issue, not constitutionality (I'm going to assume that supreme court justices know a bit more on the subject than me ). It's quite different with the decisions that lead to this. The amount the Constitution was stretched and battered to meet them is ridiculous, they were decisions completely at odds with both the wording an intent of these rights, made to protect those without power and influence, not make those with power, influence and money even more powerful than they already are.
I might be biased on the issue (well, let's face it, I definitely am ), but that's what I think at the very least.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
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Co'tor Shas wrote: The amount the Constitution was stretched and battered to meet them is ridiculous, they were decisions completely at odds with both the wording an intent of these rights, made to protect those without power and influence, not make those with power, influence and money even more powerful than they already are.
Protecting the poor and powerless is not the point of the Constitution. The Constitution was written to provide a division of powers between the branches of the Federal Government, define the Federal Government's relationship with the individual states, the states' relationship with each other, and enumerate some of the rights the people have in relationship to the Federal Government. What we refer to as the Bill of Rights was written because several founders wanted to ensure the limitations of Congress and make more clear the rights of US citizens, and some powers of the states. The Constitution has nothing to do with regulating the relationship of poor people vs rich people in private society, but rather providing for a diversified power structure in the Federal Government, and ensuring the rights they saw as inalienable and God-given to its citizens.
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- St. Thomas Aquinas
Warhammer 40K:
Alpha Legion - 15,000 pts For the Emperor!
WAAAGH! Skullhooka - 14,000 pts
Biel Tan Strikeforce - 11,000 pts
"The Eldar get no attention because the average male does not like confetti blasters, shimmer shields or sparkle lasers."
-Illeix
Co'tor Shas wrote: The amount the Constitution was stretched and battered to meet them is ridiculous, they were decisions completely at odds with both the wording an intent of these rights, made to protect those without power and influence, not make those with power, influence and money even more powerful than they already are.
Protecting the poor and powerless is not the point of the Constitution. The Constitution was written to provide a division of powers between the branches of the Federal Government, define the Federal Government's relationship with the individual states, the states' relationship with each other, and enumerate some of the rights the people have in relationship to the Federal Government. What we refer to as the Bill of Rights was written because several founders wanted to ensure the limitations of Congress and make more clear the rights of US citizens, and some powers of the states. The Constitution has nothing to do with regulating the relationship of poor people vs rich people in private society, but rather providing for a diversified power structure in the Federal Government, and ensuring the rights they saw as inalienable and God-given to its citizens.
He is right in a way though. Who needs "protection" most? The poor. In previous forms of government, we see that the poor and lower class have no protections, and no rights. The US Constitution was designed to protect ALL people rich and poor alike. And I think that decisions like Citizens' United are definitely means to stripping away rights and protections.
The stripping of rights has been a SC specialty since before the Civil War. Only recently (I don't know, 1960's maybe?) have we seen trends away from that, mostly driven by the Executive or Legislative Branch leading the way first. The court is a reactive body by its nature.
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As a bit of perspective regarding the divide between rich and poor in politics, I just read an article on CNN about an event the Koch brothers held for a few hundred other rich people and their personal favorites among the current GOP contenders. The sickening part about it is that the article basically said a few hundred people would be responsible for nearly $1 BILLION in campaign contributions. As we know, most of these candidates stand no chance of coming close to making it on the ballot, but they'll still be in public office after this, so tell me this isn't about buying votes.
I know the same thing happens on the D side, too, this is just the particular example that popped up today.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Just been reading up on the TTIP negotiations between the US and the EU, and in particular, the sort of food America could export to the EU, if TTIP is passed.
Currently, the EU bans the import of certain American foodstuffs (beef for example) because of the high level of banned pesticides and hormones you guys pump into your foods.
When I read the list, my initial reaction was
You guys really eat that stuff
Most worryingly of all, it could make it easier for the USA to export root beer to the UK!
To that I say: never! Never! A thousand times NEVER
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Yes, you just need to try the good root beer. Virgil's comes to mind.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
I like America: the culture, the history, the people, politics etc
But if the day should ever come that America gets the green light to flood the UK with root beer
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
But if the day should ever come that America gets the green light to flood the UK with root beer
It will be a three pronged attack.
First, Scottish highlanders will come down from the north, waving bottles of IBC and doing the Hakka. Second, the Battleship Texas will steam up the Thames and bombard London with 14in shells full of A&W. Third, Zombie Nazis will surface from fallen Uboats and strike with Barqs Fourth, the Welsh will cross the border shoutign gibberish (which is perfectly good English to them) and driving Churchill tanks fulls of Dads root beer. Hey no one said I could count.
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But if the day should ever come that America gets the green light to flood the UK with root beer
It will be a three pronged attack.
First, Scottish highlanders will come down from the north, waving bottles of IBC and doing the Hakka.
[I]Second, the Battleship Texas will steam up the Thames and bombard London with 14in shells full of A&W.[/u]
Third, Zombie Nazis will surface from fallen Uboats and strike with Barqs
Fourth, the Welsh will cross the border shoutign gibberish (which is perfectly good English to them) and driving Churchill tanks fulls of Dads root beer. Hey no one said I could count.
You forgot that the shells would be frosted, in keeping with proper A&W serving tradition
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Aaand, it looks like we might be headed for another government shutdown over....Planned Parenthood. At least Rand Paul had the balls to stand up and say you shouldn't make shutting down the government your objective to get what you want. While Cruz has said "it won't be our fault if the government shuts down, it will be the Ds' fault (because they won't give in to our demands despite the vote already failing in the Senate)." Bullgak, Cruz, by the very act of saying that sort of crap you're making it your fault! "It's not my fault I drew a line in the sand" /facepalm
Maybe these supposedly bright and intelligent people should wait for some actual investigative results before thumping their chests in furiously indignant outrage during campaign season?
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Tannhauser42 wrote: Aaand, it looks like we might be headed for another government shutdown over....Planned Parenthood. At least Rand Paul had the balls to stand up and say you shouldn't make shutting down the government your objective to get what you want. While Cruz has said "it won't be our fault if the government shuts down, it will be the Ds' fault (because they won't give in to our demands despite the vote already failing in the Senate)." Bullgak, Cruz, by the very act of saying that sort of crap you're making it your fault! "It's not my fault I drew a line in the sand" /facepalm
Maybe these supposedly bright and intelligent people should wait for some actual investigative results before thumping their chests in furiously indignant outrage during campaign season?
Plays right into the "Republican War on Women". It's as if HRC is calling the shots for the GOP.
Maybe these supposedly bright and intelligent people should wait for some actual investigative results before thumping their chests in furiously indignant outrage during campaign season?
I did see one article/report out there that explicitly showed that not only was there no wrong doing, but that the "investigators" were so bad, that they FORCED a situation where there was "wrongdoing" and heavily modified the actions and evidence to show that it was such a horrible situation and that they were innocent.
Also, there's a meaningful poll I saw on twittah (I'm still trying to find the source), but in OHIO Kasich leads HRC 48/40. So, if we think of a GOP ticket that has a meaningful chance at the WhiteHouse... Kasich/Rubio? This has a good chance to lock up Ohio and Florida.
As long as it's tied to potential shut downs/the actions of politicians, go on with the planned parenthood stuff. If it devolves into the "it's life at X/No its life at Y/no at Z!" Argument, or another kind that isn't related to politics, then the discussion on that will stop. But the thread still won't close
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
Alpha Legion - 15,000 pts For the Emperor!
WAAAGH! Skullhooka - 14,000 pts
Biel Tan Strikeforce - 11,000 pts
). It's quite different with the decisions that lead to this. The amount the Constitution was stretched and battered to meet them is ridiculous, they were decisions completely at odds with both the wording an intent of these rights, made to protect those without power and influence, not make those with power, influence and money even more powerful than they already are. 
