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jasper76 wrote: After seeing both of the debates now, my current thinking is a Bush/Fiorina ticket would be the best shot for the Republicans to beat Clinton.
Make that Rubio/Fiorina.
I didn't think Bush had a good night.
Agreed. I'm dropping Walker and inserting Kacinich as well. He handled himself well.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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jasper76 wrote: After seeing both of the debates now, my current thinking is a Bush/Fiorina ticket would be the best shot for the Republicans to beat Clinton.
Make that Rubio/Fiorina.
I didn't think Bush had a good night.
Agreed. I'm dropping Walker and inserting Kacinich as well. He handled himself well.
Walker held his own... his issue is that he doesn't seem "telegenic".
What I find interesting is that there are almost no comments about Ted Cruz's performance. It's almost as if he wasn't there.
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Jihadin wrote: Putin/Russia lined up quite a few contracts to help build nuke reactors once this deal went "Green"
Saudi IIRC has ten reactors lined up to be built
Jordan one
Egypt one
All with assistance from Putin
Which is still not the same thing as handing someone a fully functional nuclear weapon. There are so many political and security problems associated with doing that you would need to be incredibly desperate to even consider it.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Jihadin wrote: Putin/Russia lined up quite a few contracts to help build nuke reactors once this deal went "Green"
Saudi IIRC has ten reactors lined up to be built
Jordan one
Egypt one
All with assistance from Putin
Which is still not the same thing as handing someone a fully functional nuclear weapon. There are so many political and security problems associated with doing that you would need to be incredibly desperate to even consider it.
Indeed.
Because these nuclear fuels actually has a distinctive fingerprint (where it's likely mined/sold). If not an easy thing to anonymously "give" a nuke to anyone. If Iran uses a bomb on someone that they bought from Russia or Pakistan... then those countries would be dragged into the political (or warring) fallouts.
Because these nuclear fuels actually has a distinctive fingerprint (where it's likely mined/sold). If not an easy thing to anonymously "give" a nuke to anyone. If Iran uses a bomb on someone that they bought from Russia or Pakistan... then those countries would be dragged into the political (or warring) fallouts.
Not to mention that if the bomb used you have no control over what the target is, and there plenty of terrorist groups supported by Iran that rather dislike Russia. This is also why its highly unlikely you'll ever see a nuke put into the hands of terrorists that exist outside direct state control*, there are too many variables in play and too many possible negative outcomes to make doing so worthwhile.
*And terrorists under direct state control are basically just another form of delivery system.
Tannhauser42 wrote: What I find interesting is that there are almost no comments about Ted Cruz's performance. It's almost as if he wasn't there.
He was 'the Cruz' and provided plenty of red meat at the end.
Yeah, he said the same gak he's said every time he has had a national audience. I think he's aiming to position himself as a more articulate version of Palin in a bid for a VP selection.
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jasper76 wrote: After seeing both of the debates now, my current thinking is a Bush/Fiorina ticket would be the best shot for the Republicans to beat Clinton.
For some reason the Democrats very much want Bush to run. He won't be the candidate.
Am I the only guy who saw Walker and kept thinking he looked like an SNL guy?
I was commenting just on what combination I thought would give Clinton the best run for her money.
Yeah, Walker looked kinda like a Daily Show correspondent or somethingm. He was way too laid back to make an impression. He looked kinda bored at times.
If you wanted Clinton to win, I'd guess you'd be routing for Rand Paul or a sadsack like Lindsey Graham. I don't know if you saw the earlier debate, but the dude looked like he'd been weeping or something. His eyes were all red and he seemed sad.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'll admit that one of the reasons Bush was appealing was by way of contrast to more conservative positions and/or more pessimistic demeanors and outlooks of the debate opponents.
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Well Hillary can't really nail Trump on his contributers/donaters.
Though at the moment Hillary is playing damage control with the latest development of the server issue
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Jihadin wrote: Well Hillary can't really nail Trump on his contributers/donaters.
Though at the moment Hillary is playing damage control with the latest development of the server issue
Why nail someone on your payroll?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Jihadin wrote: Well Hillary can't really nail Trump on his contributers/donaters. Though at the moment Hillary is playing damage control with the latest development of the server issue
Why nail someone on your payroll?
Is that why Monica was an unpaid intern?
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jasper76 wrote: After seeing both of the debates now, my current thinking is a Bush/Fiorina ticket would be the best shot for the Republicans to beat Clinton.
Make that Rubio/Fiorina.
I didn't think Bush had a good night.
Agreed. I'm dropping Walker and inserting Kacinich as well. He handled himself well.
Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul is my dream ticket right now. Paul is right on so many things but Sanders would curb his unnecessary sentiments. Or the other way around, Paul and Sanders.
A proper Democractic ticket would include both parties to represent most of the people.
jasper76 wrote: Yeah, Walker looked kinda like a Daily Show correspondent or somethingm. He was way too laid back to make an impression. He looked kinda bored at times.
My opinion: a strong play from someone who knows how to win.
He knows perfectly well that none of this means anything. It's a clown show people won't remember in 2 weeks. People know already his name, fundraisers already know his name. Normally "laying low" is a pretty bad strategy - look at Fred Thompson and how that worked - but in this case, with so many of these junior varsity has-beens and never-was's looking to differentiate themselves by a high-profile poopfling, it's better to play the long game, wait until the "anyone but Jeb" game gets to the last round, and then play to win. Let Trump take all the noise and hits, and then whoever is next; and so on.
Obviously it's a strategy not without risk but I think Scott Walker is possibly the most talented strategist in the running.
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Jihadin wrote: Well Hillary can't really nail Trump on his contributers/donaters.
Though at the moment Hillary is playing damage control with the latest development of the server issue
Why nail someone on your payroll?
Trump's position last night was that we need someone like Donald Trump to save America from crooked politicians and businessmen like Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump.
Trump made it very clear he was a "Business Man" not a "Politician"
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Jihadin wrote: Trump made it very clear he was a "Business Man" not a "Politician"
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Except his record says otherwise lol. Which I'm sure nobody wants to pay attention to. To borrow a phrase, "forge the narrative."
I personally see zero benefit to hiring a corporate businessman as president. Mostly because after presidency he will still be a corporate businessman. We having already seen how well that works...*coughcheneycough* *coughrumsfeldcough*
Always good to hire a man with a severve conflict of interest with zero understanding of 99% of citizenship and a healthy open contempt for anyone not as rich as himself to be the leader of the country...
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The questions directed to Trump was fair game and I'm glad it was asked this early in the primary. If Trump survives this round... he might actually make some noise later on the process.
I don't know if I'd go as far as "it was an inquisition".
But, kudos to fox for not turning it into a WWE sideshow.
It's a shame that for all this debate was hyped at... the candidates really only had like 4-10 minutes of airtime... which is redonkulous.
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They should square their slogans with their records, and that’s what Fox made them do. On this night, the network that pampers Republicans provoked them instead.
Was exactly right. Fox did impress me there and I wished they're always this hard-hitting throughout the network.
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I suspect the only reason Fox was so "hard hitting" was because they hoped to either knock down Trump or get one of the others to at least come out far enough ahead to block Trump sooner than later.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Lol I believe you are right. He convinced people for 8 years (and many afterwards) that he made a single decision as president lol. His 2nd term was definitely Bush Sr.'s first term haha.
whembly wrote: I don't know if I'd go as far as "it was an inquisition".
His turn of phrase wasn't particularly good, but I understood what he meant. This was an attempt to take these candidates to task and really grind them about prior statements and how they measure up for today's expectations.
whembly wrote: But, kudos to fox for not turning it into a WWE sideshow.
Truly, I was afraid of this turning into a barking carnival very quickly.
whembly wrote: It's a shame that for all this debate was hyped at... the candidates really only had like 4-10 minutes of airtime... which is redonkulous.
Really, considering the time allotted, number of candidates, and time that had to be budgeted for miscellaneous items(moderator questioning, commercials, fielding public questions, etc.) they spoke plenty. Truth be told though, it was too crowded for a real debate setting. Regardless, I still found it to be moderately insightful at the very least.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: I suspect the only reason Fox was so "hard hitting" was because they hoped to either knock down Trump or get one of the others to at least come out far enough ahead to block Trump sooner than later.
I think this is rather unfair to say. It isn't as if they only beat the hell out of Trump and gave other a free pass. Scott Walker is in many ways the darling of many Conservatives, and has gotten heaps of praise on Fox News, but they still took him to the woodshed as well. And it isn't as if he was the only one. Were they harder on Trump? Sure, but lets not pretend like he hasn't been painting targets on his back for years.
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I liked the Fox structure:
1. It focused on weaknesses as well as strengths so that Republicans could better understand how strong the candidates were.
2. Candidates didn't have enough time to drone on and on.
3. They weren't softball questions, and you were able to understand the actual candidates better.
4. It wasn't the usual lame ass questions and follow up attacks by the usual Democratic suspects: Stephanopoulis et al. The issues were typically Republican issues, or questions the the above would likely throw at them in a real debate.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Still it was all style and no real substance. I'm better because reasons, sums up these debates. The questions were admirable mostly but the answers were generally soft.
I will say that I appreciated the fire. I believe passion is sorely missed in American politics. If Republicans want to topple Trump they will have to use his force and fire and add actual substance and conservative ideas (actual conservative ideas). To win Republicans will have to stop pandering to their vocal religious base and start offering ideas for America's wellbeing.
The Democrats will not be fighting with fire. They will beat Trump on substance (Not Hilary) or greater celebrity (Hilary).
All those that watched wanted to see Stumpin Trump
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