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For lulz... saw this on twittah:


I couldn't find any good Darth Chaney or Bolton... :/

Rand Paul all the way. Of course, I thought Rand Paul won eahc of the debates so far.

EDIT: and he's friggin Yoda.


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I thinks its time for America's bitter angry aunt to drop out of the race.





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Boom. Bush has a pair.

Nice comeback by Bush.

Yeah, Fiorina needs to retire.


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Hah! Christie's Jersey slam on the Senate-as-talk-shop...wow, that was beautiful.

Yeah that was a good one.

Cruz is a much better debater on national security than he is on other issues.




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Nice dig by Bush on Trump, he's going right after him.

I'm following along on twitter.

Honestly, as a Brit, Poe's Law is driving me nuts on this...

Um... anyone wanna tell Trump that the internet doesn't work like that?

What you just saw there... yea, every IT dude/gal has that reaction...

@Compel: This is the best debate amongst them so far. All the social conservative bs is out the window and they're debating more meatyy stuff like ISIS, surveillance, military strategy, foreign policy, etc.

@anyone: Carson is like a fish out of water. He reminds me of a kid trying to talk at the grown up table about stuff he's just learned about. And he thinks his surgical background has prepare him to be commander in chief.

Agreed.

Carson is out of his league...

Fiorina's "CEO" spiel is falling flat...

Kaisch is "why am I still here??"...

Trump "I'm gunna be tougher on ISIS and I'll kill their families to death" (or something)...

Everyone else is actually doing pretty solid.

 whembly wrote:
Um... anyone wanna tell Trump that the internet doesn't work like that?

What you just saw there... yea, every IT dude/gal has that reaction...

It was pretty damn cringeworthy. He really has not fething idea about anything he says.

Facebook's real-time reaction... thing, as of a few minutes ago:

Rubio I think is getting jabbed pretty good by Cruz, Paul, and even Fiorina. He's looked better in previous debates.


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Christies anti-Obama's shtick is also getting old. He's overcompenating for the post-Katrina stuff.


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Holy gak. Hardcore, Paul! He brought up the NJ bridge.

My gut instinct would be that a lot of these candidates would be worthwhile spending an evening or three sitting down and just reading wikipedia / brief guide's of these countries and things involved.

By themselves, no aides, no "suggesitons" from political activists. Just education, research and knowledge.

I'm telling ya... there's going to be some Trumpian facial memes after tonight. Like this one:




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Imma sum up tonight's debate:

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Nothing will shift after this...

le sigh...

I think Cruz will pull more votes from Trump. In a wierd way, Bush did everyone else's dirty work by attacking Trump, and doing so very well IMO.

 whembly wrote:
EDIT: anyone watching the GOP debate tonight?

No, I had some drying paint that need to be watched instead.

It seemed a better use of my time, especially because I have the house to myself all week. I might as well make the best of it.

Check this out:
https://vine.co/v/imnFKbBaLqF

Can I embed vines on dakka?

The aftermath...

Winners: Christie, Cruz, Rubio
Static: Bush, Paul
Losers: Kasich, Carson, Fiorina <--- need to drop out
Trump: Trump

 whembly wrote:
Fiorina <--- need to drop out

I'm pretty sure multiple people in this thread told you fetch isn't going to happen.

I'm glad you've finally come around.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Fiorina <--- need to drop out

I'm pretty sure multiple people in this thread told you fetch isn't going to happen.

I'm glad you've finally come around.

And Kaisch and Carson. The Winnowing needs to begin.

All these candidates is helping Trump imo.


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EDIT: also, you missed when Dr. Carson calls GOP leader “Rinse Pubis.”

Looking for a vid...

 whembly wrote:

Hard copies = document management.

Distinctly different that email retention policies.

When I said "hard copies" I meant "backup tapes", sorry for any confusion. The company I work for is nearly paperless, so tape is about as close to a hard copy as we get.

But my point still stands: six months after an email hits our server the tape copy is gone.

 whembly wrote:

It's more complicated in Healthcare or Financial industries (I'm sure other industries are required).

Insurance. Oh my God, insurance. One of my first jobs was converting old home and auto claims into electronic records while refiling original documents and pictures. When I applied for the job I wondered why I needed to prove that I could lift and carry 40 pounds, then I saw the records room.

But the most important thing is that this job was entrusted to people that had only just earned the privilege to drive.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 whembly wrote:
EDIT: anyone watching the GOP debate tonight?

No, I had some drying paint that need to be watched instead.

It seemed a better use of my time, especially because I have the house to myself all week. I might as well make the best of it.

I was getting caught up on Into the Badlands... also a much better use of my time

 whembly wrote:

It's absolute, basic function, is to keep effective communications between all parties (internally and externally). Ie, Diplomacy.

So your argument is that effective communication cannot happen without effective record keeping?

 dogma wrote:

 whembly wrote:

It's absolute, basic function, is to keep effective communications between all parties (internally and externally). Ie, Diplomacy.

So your argument is that effective communication cannot happen without effective record keeping?

Not to defend Whembly, but effective record keeping certainly helps....

Nothing's worse than an "inside thought" becoming an "outside thought" when you wanted to keep it inside

 whembly wrote:
Um... anyone wanna tell Trump that the internet doesn't work like that?

What you just saw there... yea, every IT dude/gal has that reaction...

I didn't watch the debate, as I didn't want to hurt myself with too many facepalms, so what happened?

Jerram wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Email communications are distinct from document management.

I can't fathom an agency like DoS wouldn't use basic email retention policy (stuff that comes right out of the box) to secure/archive/backup all department communications. Seems to me that keeping records of such communications would be a wee bit important for our nation's diplomacy department.... no?

No... our email communications fall under the same Record Management program.

Okay. I'll add that government management of this is distinctly... odd.

Anecdote time: In my employment, I can personally retrieve the very first email/calendar appointment with ease. All they way back in 2001.

*shrug*

Again, I can't speak for the DoS's policy regarding how they handle their records. I'm just providing my knowledge of my Departments methods.

Records retention is very dependent on the type of information however. I'm used to much longer windows. I remember our IT guys having to do a topic search for a time period that covered 7ish years in the past.

It also depends on the regulation. Some businesses are required by the government to retain files for long periods of time.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Um... anyone wanna tell Trump that the internet doesn't work like that?

What you just saw there... yea, every IT dude/gal has that reaction...

I didn't watch the debate, as I didn't want to hurt myself with too many facepalms, so what happened?

Behold;

Donald Trump wrote:ISIS is recruiting through the Internet. ISIS is using the Internet better than we are using the Internet and it was our idea. ... I don't want them using our Internet.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Um... anyone wanna tell Trump that the internet doesn't work like that?

What you just saw there... yea, every IT dude/gal has that reaction...

I didn't watch the debate, as I didn't want to hurt myself with too many facepalms, so what happened?

The same people who flat out told Obama, "no boots on the ground in Syria" are lambasting him for "not doing enough" and that air strikes just aren't going to cut it. Oddly, none of them have any recommendations for a "fix" other than blocking refugees and rounding up all of the Muslim citizenry for ID and processing; all of which doesn't do anything to fight Isis.

I think public office should be the same as jury duty; people randomly called up to serve a year in DC and paid their actual current wages for the "honor". Hey, it's a dirty, disgusting job but if we make it so lucrative to run for and gain office, we can't be upset when it only attracts shady, slimeballs.

The pay for public office jobs is not great, it is the POWER that can be turned into financial gain that is the issue. Congress critters don't make enough via salary to be millionaires, yet most see their personal wealth increase vastly as they stay in office.

Even POTUS does not make that much compared to a CEO of a big company, but when you get a six figure fee for a speech once you are out of office...

The salaries are not lucrative, it is the power and gains from abuse of that power that are lucrative.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Um... anyone wanna tell Trump that the internet doesn't work like that?

What you just saw there... yea, every IT dude/gal has that reaction...

I didn't watch the debate, as I didn't want to hurt myself with too many facepalms, so what happened?

Kasich kept trying to push his "unify, unite, together" message unsuccessfully.

Fiorina reminded us that she was a CEO at a tech company, and she knows all the people in the tech world, and she's angry, and she's a woman. If by some longshot miracle she gets elected, I'm turning my TV off for years. I've reached my Fiorina quota for a lifetime.

Carson basically imploded on national security. He just doesn't know anything, but was trying to pretend like he does. He also thinks his experience in surgery has magically prepared him to lead the world's strongest military, and he's not afraid to carpet bomb innocent civilians.

Trump - took a hardline position on all the crazy positions he's taken in the media. He did vow not to run as an Independent.

Rubio - probably did well, but took attacks all night from Cruz and Paul. Looked better in previous debates.

Cruz - did much better than in the previous debates. You might even think that he was not running on a religious mumbo-jumbo platform if this debate were in isolation. He's clearly most comfortable and effective talking about national security...he's a hawk, if that's your thing.

Bush - just dug into Trump with very good barbs and one-liners (my favorite was "he's the Chaos Candidate, and he'd be the Chaos President"). Not sure any of it helped him so much as it helped everyone except Trump.

Christie - did very well for himself running on national security. Doubled-down on domestic surveillance.

Paul - won the debate hands down, but as usual, noone seemed to notice but me.

At this point, I agree with Whembley - Kasich, Fiorina, and especially Carson need to drop out. It's almost for the good of the country type thing at this point, so the normal Republican voters can settle on their consensus candidate. We really can't have someone like Trump in the White House. He's on the record as saying we should kill the families of terrorists, thus ripping the Geneva Convention to shreds, and opening up the families of our service men and women to danger (this might not mean so much to indiscriminate lunatics like ISIS, but it might mean a whole lot if we ever get into war against an actual world power that would otherwise respect the Geneva Convention).

Incidentally, it was the best GOP debate so far this cycle. It's amazing the difference really, when manufactured issues like gay marriage and Kim Davis and abortion and science denial are taken off the table. I think the Republican Party would do well to start shifting away from these issues. Young people don't care about them or are offended by the GOP platform on them, and they are seriously keeping moderate people from considering the GOP who might do so if it weren't for all the social conservative and anti-science baggage.

 CptJake wrote:
The pay for public office jobs is not great, it is the POWER that can be turned into financial gain that is the issue. Congress critters don't make enough via salary to be millionaires, yet most see their personal wealth increase vastly as they stay in office.

Even POTUS does not make that much compared to a CEO of a big company, but when you get a six figure fee for a speech once you are out of office...

The salaries are not lucrative, it is the power and gains from abuse of that power that are lucrative.

It depends upon what you're comparing the salary to. For 90% of Americans the minimum of $174,000 and an expense account (average 1.2 million for House and 3.2 million for Senate for travel, office, and personnel expenses) is a big chunk of change. Serve 5 or more years and you'll get a pension at 62 this means a one-term senator will get about $16k/year for life when they retire for just serving one term. They're also eligible for social security and can participate in the federal employee healthcare system instead of medicare. While they're in office, they have to contribute 1% of their salary into the "thrift savings plan" and the government kicks in 5%.

That's on the books money.

I do pretty well but nowhere near $174k. Median income in the US is $50,500/year with no expense account for travel costs. Average income for someone with a Doctorate degree is $80k. Less than 1/2 of 1% of workers in the US earn the minimum, starting salary of a person in congress. Public service. Compare that to the $24k I made as a Social Worker in 08 as a public employee with a Master's Degree.

 agnosto wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Um... anyone wanna tell Trump that the internet doesn't work like that?

What you just saw there... yea, every IT dude/gal has that reaction...

I didn't watch the debate, as I didn't want to hurt myself with too many facepalms, so what happened?

The same people who flat out told Obama, "no boots on the ground in Syria" are lambasting him for "not doing enough" and that air strikes just aren't going to cut it. Oddly, none of them have any recommendations for a "fix" other than blocking refugees and rounding up all of the Muslim citizenry for ID and processing; all of which doesn't do anything to fight Isis.

I think public office should be the same as jury duty; people randomly called up to serve a year in DC and paid their actual current wages for the "honor". Hey, it's a dirty, disgusting job but if we make it so lucrative to run for and gain office, we can't be upset when it only attracts shady, slimeballs.

I kind of agree with this. a draft for public office.

Then, rich people could buy surrogates to avoid their service!